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Is it possible to recreate the whole Metropolitan Detroit area (Wayne, Oakland and Macomb counties in Michigan) in SimCity 4?
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Hi. I am recreating the Metropolitan Detroit area in Southeast Michigan. Here's a map of it: I used SC4Mapper to put the map into the game, but it did so as a region. I researched if you can do a region as one big city, but I don't think you can. So I was wondering if anyone or someone they know can mod the game to the point where you can play a region as a big city. Thanks. (P.S., please reply as soon as possible.)
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"We no longer live in a leisurely age, nor do we move on streets from which it is possible to contemplate and enjoy minute sculpted detail. What we see we must see quickly in passing, and the impression must be immediate, strong, and complete. Color has this vital power." Wirt Rowland of Smith, Hinchman, and Grylls, designed the Guardian Building to be a bold modern skyscraper for a bold modern city. It was designed functionally, and composed according to a rigorous geometric system. The building features ceramic art by Mary Chase Perry of Pewabic Pottery, murals by Ezra Winters, stained glass clocks from Tiffany Studios, and sculptures by Corrado Parducci. The Guardian Building opened in 1929 as the headquarters of the Union Trust Company, which quickly became Guardian Detroit Union after a series of mergers, before failing during the Great Depression. It now houses offices for Wayne County, and various companies, including SmithGroup, the original designer of the building. All of the models share the same TGI, and you may switch between any combination of SD, HD, MaxisNite, and DarkNite, by swapping out the .SC4Model files. This is my 100th upload! 5x2 and 2x5 growable CO$$$ lots. 5x2 ploppable CO$$$ lot. CAM version included. High definition (HD) version included. MaxisNite and DarkNite night versions included. DarkNite requires the Day and Nite Modd. Requires mipro essentials January 2019 or newer. Installation Instructions: Download either the DarkNite (DN) or MaxisNite (MN) version. If you're unsure, choose the MN version. If you change your mind, you can switch between DN and MN versions by swapping out the .SC4Model files. Unzip the .zip and move its contents to Documents/SimCity 4/Plugins. If you use the CAM, download the CAMeLots. Replace the original growable lots with the CAMeLots. Ploppables are already compatible with CAM. If you'd like to use the HD version, download the corresponding HD model, and replace the original .SC4Model file with it. If you change your mind, you can switch between HD and SD by swapping out the .SC4Model files. HD BATs have very large file sizes. mipro Forum Thread mipro STEX Uploads -
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“Well it’s 1 2 3 4 take the elevator at the Hotel Yorba I’ll be glad to see you later…” Located at 4020 Lafayette Blvd in Detroit’s Hubbard Farms neighborhood, the Hotel Yorba stands as a symbol of Detroit’s glorious past and challenging present. Originally built in 1926 as a residential hotel for retirees with a taste for housekeeping and room service, it now serves largely as a flophouse, offering short-term stays for unsavory customers. Visible from I-75, the building with its iconic sign has been a Detroit landmark, even before being memorialized by Detroit garage rock band, the White Stripes. 4x2 growable and ploppable CS$ lots. MaxisNite and DarkNite night versions included. DarkNite requires the Day and Nite Modd. Requires mipro essentials January 2019 or newer. Installation Instructions: Download either the DarkNite (DN) or MaxisNite (MN) version. If you're unsure, choose the MN version. If you change your mind, you can switch between DN and MN versions by swapping out the .SC4Model files. Unzip the .zip and move its contents to Documents/SimCity 4/Plugins. .SC4Lot files are descriptively titled. Remove the lot versions which you don't want. Do not remove any .SC4Model files. mipro Forum Thread mipro STEX Uploads -
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Firstly, thanks to everyone who gave input and feedback: @matias93, @T Wrecks, @jimc, @krasner, and especially to @mattb325 for BATting help, and Daeley for documenting the click-to-copy mechanics. This is a modular factory puzzle piece set, based on the Fisher Body Plant No. 1 in Flint, Michigan, by architect Alfred Kahn. Stats: Nite lites: Maxis Plop costs: minimal Monthly costs: none Other effects: none Power/water required: no The building models all use modular components in the form of prop families. With millions of possible combinations in windows, roofjunk and weathering, no two plops should ever be the same. However, with millions of possible combinations, you're definitely going to want to run the crucial bugfix mod SC4Fix - it's listed as a dependency below. How to use it: By default, the lots will appear near the bottom of your park menu. I use DAMN Manager to handle the problem of overflowing menus, so there aren't any MML lots included here. For ease of endless labyrinth construction, all lots use "click-to-copy". After placing a lot, simply query that lot ("/" key), then close the query box to plop another of that lot wherever you like. Note on viaducts: There are lots for NAM heavy rail viaduct docks and passthru (cosmetic only). The passthru uses a viaduct prop that should match the appearance you chose when you installed the NAM. Factory Lots: Ortho Corner Corner Fancy Vents Roof Vents Windows Doors Dock Filler Viaduct Dock Viaduct Passthru Park Lots: Ortho Var1 Ortho Var2 Corner Sign (Ortho) Sign (Diagonal) Sign (FA3) See included Readme.jpg for a view of each lot. Install: Unzip "CT14 Fisher Body Plant Modular Factory.zip" into your plugins folder. This will create a new folder "CT14" containing a folder "Fisher Body Plant Modular Factory". If you already have a CT14 folder, say "yes" to merge. Remove: Bulldoze the factories, and let the brownfields lie fallow for generations to come. Remove the folder "Fisher Body Plant Modular Factory" from "Plugins/CT14". Dependencies: CT14 Prop Pack Vol 1 BSC - VIP girafe bushes https://www.sc4devotion.com/csxlex/lex_filedesc.php?lotGET=2711 SC4Fix Bugs: Probably. Please report bugs in comments to this post, or to the development thread: https://community.simtropolis.com/forums/topic/69360-ct14s-railroad-lots-and-bat4F- 6 Reviews
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A pack of various HD props to support upcoming releases. Includes Fisher Body Plant puzzle piece modules, transparent grunge props and roofjunk. Prop families will be found by name in the Lot Editor. Install: Unzip "CT14 Prop Pack Vol 1.zip" into your plugins folder. This will create a new folder "CT14" containing a folder "Prop Pack Vol 1". If you already have a CT14 folder, say "yes" to merge. Remove: Remove the folder "Prop Pack Vol 1" from "Plugins/CT14". Bugs: Probably. Please report bugs in comments to this post, or to the development thread: https://community.simtropolis.com/forums/topic/69360-ct14s-railroad-lots-and-bat/- 2 Reviews
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A pearl found today in Citylab, one of my favorite websites. Very interesting to watch if you have 15 spare minutes. Video here: https://archive.org/details/detroitspatternofgrowth As in any city, the story of Detroit can be told through its roads. In 1965, an educational film illustrated it all in 15 minutes. Explained in Detroit’s Pattern of Growth, made by Robert Goodman and Gordon Draper of Wayne State University, the city’s layout was informed by French, British, and American rule and its transformation from a fur trading post to the center of the automotive world. Using minimalist illustrations, the film shows the layers of different visions for the city overlapping though new paths, streets, and eventually, freeways. With a good 250 years of various plans colliding, there’s a lot to take in. But to keep it short, the film concludes, the city’s paths can be best understood as products of four distinct periods:
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220 West Congress is a nondescript office building located in downtown Detroit, Michigan. For the purposes of the game it's been modded as a CS§§ lot. 220 West Congress has been uploaded in celebration of the STEX's 100,000,000th download. My interview for the event can be read here. 1x3 growable and plopppable CS§§ lots. MaxisNite and DarkNite versions included. DarkNite requires the Day and Nite Modd. Requires mipro Essentials - December 2013 or newer. Installation Instructions: Download either the DarkNite (DN) or MaxisNite (MN) version. If you're unsure, choose the MN version. Unzip the .zip and move its contents to Documents/SimCity 4/Plugins. SC4Lot files are descriptively titled. Remove the lot versions which you don't want. Do not remove any .SC4Model files. mipro Forum Thread mipro STEX Uploads -
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1520 Woodward Avenue was built in 1917. In 1945, women's clothing company Lane Bryant bought the building and had the facade reclad in the Art Deco style by noted local architect, Charles Agree. Although abandoned by the apparel company in the 1980s, the building is still referred to by its former tenant. In 2011, the building was converted into incubator space for technology start-ups. The Lane Bryant Building provides 148 jobs for your city. Dependencies: Requires mipro Essentials December 2013 or newer. - 1x2 growable and ploppable CO$$ and CS$$ versions. - Grows in the New York tileset - Available in MaxisNite and DarkNite - DarkNite requires the Day and Nite Modd. mipro Forum Thread mipro STEX Uploads- 19 Comments
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http://www.buzzfeed.com/alisonvingiano/insane-pictures-of-the-detroit-metropolitan-area-underwater As you may or may not know, Metropolitan Detroit was in the center of some life threatening storms Monday afternoon. I'm here to tell you guys my side of the story from a first-hand encounter. Firstly i must say that i work in the GM technical center on thirteen mile road East, which unfortunately was the greatest impacted area (and IMHO , the epicenter) of all the watery destruction monday night. Everyday i walk two miles to work, thirty five to forty minutes, from just east of schoenherr ( Pronounced Shay-ner- for anyone wondering) across the area which is littered with small streams and ponds that no one would have ever thought would become so dangerous. The day started pretty normal for me with the exception of a little rain. the rain was a very light drizzle by the time i made it to work (around 2). Since im still in training at work I was placed in a small windowless classroom in the center of the building so i had no idea what was going on outside. My first inclination that something was wrong was that we had a rolling power-out across the building at 5:30ish. then about 7 the glass roof in the cafeteria came crashing in (with rain) from about 25 feet above. Still i chalked it up to the building being slightly on the older side and didn't think much of it. things really got serious about 8:30 when the teacher said she would release us an hour and a half early, at 10 from our 11:30 class. when ten oclock came around we were informed that we were being barricaded On the GM campus unintentionally by a Semi (Yes, an eighteen wheeler) that had stalled right in front of the gates. my superiors came down and said that basically (because the campus is on higher ground than the surrounding areas slightly) we were surrounded by water on all sides, basically we were an island in the middle of warren. Since i wasn't driving anyway i was free to leave. I thought to myself "its only a little bit of water. Im 6'6, what can possibly happen"? At first - the water was high but still maneuverable. it came up to the mid part of my shin. after the quarter mile walk (from the Chicago entrance of the GM center to Van dyke) the water shallowed out slightly. I was able to cross the street with no problem but when i got to the other side mass hysteria had broken out. Right along the side of the Lowe's a small storm drain had completely overflown just recently and was stranding people in about five feet and the half feet of brown murky moderately fast moving water. after i realized i couldn't cross it i doubled back to the parking lot of the lowe's where i was met with about 75 - 150 new faces of people who had been stranded on their way home. Some of them were talking about making a swim for it across Van dyke ( which was submerged in about 5.5 feet of murky dark brown water. Granted, that isn't bad for me because im 6'6 but for the average person who isn't a strong swimmer that's hell). I tried.... i really tried to persuade people to stay put and not to try to make that swim ( there was a small current that i was particularly worried about that pulled you out near the storm drain) but some people were so adamant on it. Once i had crossed the big lake that was once van dyke by straddling the gate down for about half a mile I tried to save at least three cars from being submerged by flagging them down and telling them that the water was a lot deeper than expected just a few hundred feet ahead but they also didn't listen. I don't know if any of the people i warned are okay or not, and i feel bad that i wasn't able to save or influence anyone. after two and a half hours of walking around trying to direct people to safety while looking for an area of van dyke that wasn't submerged so that i could cross behind it safely i was completely and utterly exhausted both physically and mentally. The whole ordeal was very reminiscent of the last scenes of titanic when the boat is still going down, and they're playing the sad song on the violin. My only wish now is that everyone affected by this ( all the south east michiganian's, as well as other Mitten simtropolites Such as Nofunk, Jasoncw, Theol'Michiganian, and myself) crisis is now somewhere safe.
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Motown Records was founded by Berry Gordy, Jr. in 1959 in Detroit, Michigan. Gordy purchased 2648 West Grand Boulevard, where he boldly hung a sign “Hitsville U.S.A.” over the front door. Motown would be headquartered there for the next decade, absorbing adjoining buildings on both sides of the street, transforming it into a hits factory. Hitsville U.S.A. and an attached house were converted into the Motown Museum in 1985. With the slogan "The Sound of Young America", Motown Records was a powerful force of racial integration in the 1960s, making pop-infused R&B that was accessible to young people of all races. Kids jumped police-guarded barriers segregating concerts, venues which previously banned black artists began allowing them, and the Motown Sound permeated through all of American culture. This BAT is uploaded in celebration of Black History Month. 2x3 museum lot. MaxisNite and DarkNite night versions included. DarkNite requires the Day and Nite Modd. Requires mipro essentials February 2014 or newer. Installation Instructions: Download either the DarkNite (DN) or MaxisNite (MN) version. If you're unsure, choose the MN version. Unzip the .zip and move its contents to Documents/SimCity 4/Plugins. mipro Forum Thread mipro STEX Uploads -
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Anchor Bar is a traditional bar in downtown Detroit. At some times it's the favored hangout of the local newspapers and television stations, and at other times a sports bar. The bar was established in 1959 and is still family owned. 1x2 growable and ploppable CS§§ lots. MaxisNite and DarkNite night versions included. Dark Nite requires the Day and Nite Modd. Requires mipro essentials December 2013 or newer. Installation Instructions: Download either the DarkNite (DN) or MaxisNite (MN) version. If you're unsure, choose the MN version. Unzip the .zip and move its contents to Documents/SimCity 4/Plugins. SC4Lot files are descriptively titled. Remove the lot versions which you don't want. Do not remove any .SC4Model files. mipro Forum Thread mipro STEX Uploads -
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The Barry Sanders Project is now mipro! Established in 2005 by male-model-turned-restaurateur Phil Cooley, the original Slow's Bar BQ is a popular restaurant in Detroit's Corktown neighborhood that has been cited by many as helping to revitalize the area. A couple years later this take-out and catering location opened in the city's Midtown area. Its sandwich "The Yardbird" was voted by Man vs. Food's Adam Richman as one of the best sandwiches in America in 2012. Slow's To Go is located at the corner of Cass Avenue and Alexandrine Street in a renovated Art Deco building in Detroit's Midtown. Dependencies: Requires mipro Essentials December 2013 or newer. • 1x3 and 2x3 growable and ploppable. Grows in New York tileset only. • Provides 25 CS$$ jobs for your city. • Available in both MaxisNite and Darknite. • DarkNite requires the Day and Nite Modd. mipro Forum Thread mipro STEX Uploads -
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Charlotte Apartments is an apartment building on Charlotte Street in midtown Detroit. Two lots are included, one which is based on the real building which has a small grass yard ("setback"), and an additional version which is wall-to-wall ("urban"). Because residential ploppables do not work in the game, only growable versions are available. 1x4 growable R§§ lots. Urban and setback versions. MaxisNite and DarkNite night versions included. DarkNite requires the Day and Nite Modd. Requires mipro essentials December 2013 or newer. Installation Instructions: Download either the DarkNite (DN) or MaxisNite (MN) version. If you're unsure, choose the MN version. Unzip the .zip and move its contents to Documents/SimCity 4/Plugins. SC4Lot files are descriptively titled. Remove the lot versions which you don't want. Do not remove any .SC4Model files. mipro Forum Thread mipro STEX Uploads -
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Upon completion in 1928, the Penobscot Building was the tallest building in the world outside of New York and Chicago. This art deco tower is the third, tallest, and most iconic building in the greater Penobscot Block office complex. It was designed by Wirt Rowland of Smith, Hinchman & Grylls, who designed the nearby Guardian Building, built a year later. Corrado Parducci, a local architectural scupltor, provided Native American themed ornament for the building which is named after the Penobscot Nation. I first started this BAT way back in 2006 (over 7 years ago!), and for various reasons I needed to restart it. I worked on Penobscot Mk. II from 2007-2008. Once again, as I progressed through the building I ran into problems and had to restart. I quietly worked on Penobscot Mk. III from 2012 to the present, and not even including the previous attempts it's been by far the most hours I've put into a BAT. Enjoy! 3x3 growable and ploppable CO§§§ lot. CAM Version included. During the winter the nitelites change to a Christmas scheme! MaxisNite and DarkNite night versions included. DarkNite requires the Day and Nite Modd. Requires mipro essentials December 2013 or newer. Installation Instructions: Download either the DarkNite (DN) or MaxisNite (MN) version. If you're unsure, choose the MN version. Unzip the .zip and move its contents to Documents/SimCity 4/Plugins. SC4Lot files are descriptively titled. Remove the lot versions which you don't want. Do not remove any .SC4Model files. If you're not interested in Christmas lights and would like to trim some MB from your Plugins folder, you can remove the Christmas .SC4Prop file without adverse effects. mipro Forum Thread mipro STEX Uploads -
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The Barry Sanders Project is now mipro! Located in downtown Detroit, One Detroit Center is the tallest office building in the state of Michigan. Originally concieved as a set of twin towers, Two Detroit Center was left unbuilt when demand for downtown office space did not justify another 1.6 million sq ft skyscraper. One Detroit Center was designed by noted architects John Burgee and Philip Johnson, and was constructed in 1993 in the postmodern style, with Flemish-inspired neo-gothic spires. The building is home to many law firms and banks. Dependencies: Requires mipro Essentials December 2013 or newer. 5x3 and 3x3 growable and ploppable. Grows in Houston and Euro tilesets. Provides 4,178 CO$$$ jobs for your city. Available in both MaxisNite and DarkNite. DarkNite requires the Day and Nite Modd. mipro forum thread mipro STEX uploads -
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Urban Police Precinct ~ By ~ Perfect for any city in the midst of decay! Included in this download are two lots big and small; the top right and left. respectively. Both precincts, regardless of size, have the ability to dispatch five squad cars. Furthermore, they have a prisoner capacity of 70 inmates. This is slightly higher than the value of the game's "vanilla" stations, for this is simply a larger building. In addition to this download, two dependencies are requried: This is my first actual building besides The Camberton. So please, do enjoy, even if it isn't the best building around. Merely a fun little project of mine to fill a tiny gap. -
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An old favorite comes back with fresh textures and DarkNite compatibility! The Film Exchange Building was built at the corner of Cass and Montcalm in 1926 for the distribution and booking of movies for the Detroit area. The building featured fireproof vaults for the nitrate films. By 1964, the building was mainly occupied by unions. In the 1970s, the doors were finally closed on the Film Exchange Building. A point of clarification: This version is completely remodded, so you can have both the old version AND the new version in your plugins folder and there will be no conflicts. However, if you only want to use the new version, you will want to delete all files associated with the old version. 2x3 growable and ploppable CO$$. Available in both MaxisNite and DarkNite DarkNite requires the Day and Nite Modd See the original upload here. -
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G'Day Simtropians, Today I wish to upload a map requested courtesy of Portie over at SC4D. Thanks mate. Detroit is located on the banks of the Detroit River and Lake St Clair. Welcome to Motown. See me up CLOSE and personal. This is a real world map and is terrain and scale accurate, Wouanagaine's mapper or terraformer is required to import it into SC4,if using terraformer there are some caveats to follow in the readme. It measures 90.112km x 81.92km. A readme is included containing links and instructions. That's all I think. Cheers- 12 Comments
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The BSP proudly presents the Hamilton Arms! The Hamilton Arms was an apartment building located at the corner of Hamilton Avenue and Hill Street in Highland Park, Michigan. The building was demolished in 2012. This small, 5-story apartment will add some character and charm to your medium-wealth neighborhoods! 1x2 R$$ growable. Available in both MaxisNite and DarkNite. DarkNite requires the Day and Nite Modd -
Gennsbourough. A few new updates and some of the districts inside the Metropolitan area. This is looking onto the Fonton Music Hall and The Genns Theater on Broadwen avenue at 16:00. A view of the Genns Bank Building and HSBC Building, both built of the same design near each other in 1922 overlooking Clocker Square, which is situated on the edge of Central park and the Tribune Tower The Bureau of Genns and the new GBPD building being built by the Steel Tower in the government sector, with the Travel Authority and Offices of Genns County situated here A different view of the Bureau just by the small industrial sector in the Tsunurikov Plaza, some new developments in the East Broncs The Business district by the Yaddison Square Stadium overlooks the older developments of West Seattleite Yaddison Stadium, home of the Gennsbourough Knicks and close to West Seattleite A view of Chooklyn and it's many apartment blocks built in the boom of the 60's and 50's with some newer builds Above the Business District and going up to Clocker Square The Old town divides the rich sector and the developments of the 80's next to the City hall and Market Hall The Progressive Park and Ballpark Towers WTC and GTC Gennsbourough stand tall above the rest of Genns County and look upon the old town, with the Celtics Stadium next to Progressive Park, and Canary Tower with a view of the center and Central Park and Bay Tower standing in the south east Genns University Main Campus and Genns Tower together by the Gennsey Turnpike and Northfield Bank A day out on Saturday afternoon in central park by the Theater and main parks, with the Art museum and oldest building in Genns County, the Sonton Apartments near Broadwen The David Collet Stadium with a view of Tonkae Tower and also the Key Tower, and near the edge the central subway station in East Broncs Central Broncs near the Center of Gennsbourough with the Heinz Tower Chook-on Broncs Station, the closest station to Gennsey and the central district. Grand central is located in Upper Genns Bay Tower and Mercy General, close to Seattleite and the Indians Stadium Chooklyn Zoo and a little view of Outer Chooklyn's apartments The View of the whole of Gennsbourough with all of it's districts and Towers above the nearby Canneate and is sometimes named the "Ohio York" for it's feel of New York and is the most populated employed city in Ohio, overtaking Cleveland in 2011. It attracts almost 3 million tourists a year to the state of Ohio and almost $460 million dollars a year to Genns County Have a look out for the rest of Genns County, with Upper Genns, Gennsey (On the Ohio Great Lake), Wenton and Outer Genns
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A very zoomed out Detroit Metro Area region, includes the Windsor Peninsula, The Detroit River, Lake St. Claire, and the Northern end of Lake Erie. This website even has a GM Renaissance Center mod you can use with it, including the 500-600 buildings, How great is that Dependencies: http://sc4devotion.c....php?lotGET=179 (SC4Mapper) -
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The Scarab Club is an artists' club, gallery, and studio, formed in 1907. In 1928 the current club house was built in Detroit's cultural center. The building features Pewabic Pottery, and a 1976 sculpture titled "Pheonix" installed on the western wall. Artists such as Diego Rivera, Marcel Duchamp, and Norman Rockwell have signed the lounge's ceiling beams, along with other visiting artists. 1x2 museum lot. Museum stats slightly less than the standard Maxis museum. MaxisNite and DarkNite night versions. DarkNite requires the Day and Nite Modd. Installation Instructions: Download either the DarkNite (DN) or MaxisNite (MN) version. If you're unsure, choose the MN version. Unzip the .zip and move its contents to Documents/SimCity 4/Plugins. Click here to learn about new projects in the works by the Barry Sanders Project Click here to learn about new projects in the works by Jasoncw -
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Located on the corner of Franklin and St. Aubin Street in Detroit's Rivertown district, the Standard Forge Co. building was expanded in a series of additions. It is just another average workshop that was common in the area and most other turn of the century industrial districts. Lit with Trunite. This upload includes: Two 5x2 IM$$ lots, one plopable and one growable. One additional 5x3 growable lot. Stats: IM$$ occupants 271 Stage 3 Dependencies: No thank you. BAT: SimHoTToDDy LOT & Modding: Nofunk Custom query : Jasoncw Click here for development discussion of new projects by The Barry Sanders Project Special thanks to people who stopped by my BAT thread and to the best team members ever!
