Kellydale2003's BAT Mine

[T Wrecks 10,209]

*Me looking at your WIP shot*

*Me looking at the RL photo with those neon lights*

*Me realising that we can trust your BAt will have a fabulous recreation of those night lights* 

[Andrey km 304]

Some (beautiful) images that i thought may would help you in some way. #GoKelly! 

[kellydale2003 2,276]

Please be advised that all downloads are no longer available to the public.

As a member of Simtropolis for nearly 12 years, it was unknown to me that Simtropolis has been using my creations to generate revenue from the STEX discs. Cyclone Boom alleged that I had received a message regarding an option to "opt-out" my content. 

However, I looked through 12 years of messages and it appears that those allegations are false. I did not receive a message from anyone at Simtropolis and the administrators can verify that information by sweeping through every single message I've ever received.

I emailed @Dirktator requesting an explanation but have received no emails back.

Therefore, all of my original content will be removed from Simtropolis until a clear explanation (via email) is properly received. The underhandedness and in using my deceased grandma's name to garner donation revenue is unjust.

If Simtropolis needed a large donation of $10,000 - $50,000 or more, I would've gladly done so. Or if exclusive STEX content was required, I would've happily donated buildings to the cause. Despite the guidelines in place to notify content creators, it appears that Simtropolis' own administrators violated their own stated policies.

Considering that my old days on Simtropolis saw me banned where the team's own moderators alleged my content was "fake" and that I would never produce a BAT, I believe, in the most minimum case, that I deserve a response as to why Simtropolis further abused this relationship. The Simtropolis Team ignored me in the past and falsified my claims.

I have only requested an explanation and have not requested revenue. Until this gets resolved, I will not be providing anymore content to Simtropolis.

 

- Kellydale2003 

[mattb325 28,880]

Hello Kellydale2003.

 

I am very saddened to see this, but I truly understand your actions.

Your creations are among the finest ever gifted to the public, and, if you are unable to reach an amiable solution with the staff, then I truly hope you will consider continuing to make your incredible work available to the broader community via a different platform.

 

[JP Schriefer 5,590]

I believe ST plays a key role in the history of this game and its players. Those discs are a source of income to help keep the forum in top quality. TBH if they ever decide to take my content for that - even without warning me - I wouldn't mind. However I understand your disappointment, if you think it's wrong you have the right to question that.

I hope this will be solved in the best way possible.

[T Wrecks 10,209]

Hm, that's odd. Maybe the mail ended up in a spam folder? I certainly did receive those whenever a new STEX disc was compiled, so it's not the way this was supposed to work. I doubt that they would have chosen not to mail some contributors selectively.

Well, in any case I hope this gets resolved.

[Cyclone Boom 16,875]

I'm sorry to hear the removal of 21 content items is the outcome of my attempted previous clarification. These files have amassed a grand total of more than 186,000 downloads over the past 10 years, and have undoubtedly been a source of great joy to many people from around the world.

As a bit of background for everyone, here's how the conversation unfolded:
 

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Upon discovering @kellydale2003 posted a message via a status update to ask the following:

On 23/11/2018 at 5:29 AM, kellydale2003 said:

I've noticed my building in the STEX discs advertising. Does this mean my building is sold on the disc?

 

I then replied with:

On 23/11/2018 at 6:58 PM, Cyclone Boom said:

No, content items included on the STEX Collections are not being sold. They are included on the discs which are provided as free gifts when the appropriate donation amount is given to Simtropolis.

 

After this question:

On 24/11/2018 at 2:15 AM, kellydale2003 said:

Are any of my buildings on the disc?

 

Once checking to confirm, I explained:

On 24/11/2018 at 4:15 AM, Cyclone Boom said:

Yes indeed. I can confirm based on the index filter lists, you have been given the honour with 9 of your buildings on the STEX Collections. This elite compilation of files represents the best content shared on the exchange in the period of 2007-2013. Your quality content helps encourage donations. This in turn collectively supports Simtropolis, providing a platform for talented BATters like yourself to share creative works.

 

I was then asked:

On 24/11/2018 at 4:18 AM, kellydale2003 said:

Why wasn't I notified about this?

 

To which I responded:

On 24/11/2018 at 4:52 AM, Cyclone Boom said:

Every author was sent a message with the chance to opt out. You gave your consent by not taking that option. Dirktator as the founder and owner of Simtropolis is the person in charge of the STEX Collections. You're welcome to contact him to share your concerns.

 

As I said, it's actually wrong to conclude the STEX Collections are sold to collect revenue. That is not the case. As explained in this post by Dirk, the proceeds of the discs go towards monthly service fees to keep Simtropolis online. It is not a commercial venture to make any kind of profit. The Collections are sent as a gift following a minimum donation amount to qualify. While most would see the discs as the main incentive for donating, they're offered as a "thank you" for supporting ST as the very platform they were uploaded to in the first place. The costs of running a site like this are substantial. From the dedicated server powering everything, to the IPS license and support fees, along with additional extras on the server side. If it wasn't for people kindly donating, whether it be $5 or $50, Simtropolis simply wouldn't be around (at least not as we know it).

Your concern about not receiving a message is likewise something I'm concerned about. I'm also alarmed at how you describe these are "allegations" as if this wasn't the truth. To my best knowledge, the messages were sent in bulk form to all registered email addresses of authors at the time. As this may have been 8 or more years ago, there's unlikely to still be logged proof of this being sent. Simtropolis has transitioned through at least 3 major server and software platform changes in this period, including the donations system which is no longer the same as it once was. However, this doesn't mean they weren't sent -- they absolutely were. The contents of said message would've outlined that you'd been chosen to have your SC4 content included on the Collections, as a token of appreciation for contributing some of the most popular creations on the STEX.

It was our way of rewarding your efforts to share works in the community's best interest. This is an established process which has been used for years. In no way is it meant to offend or diminish any authors who had been picked, including yourself.

Posted below are the email templates sent from stexcd@simtropolis.com for Volume 4 & 5 of the Collections, along with in 2017. This contains the variables used in the batch mailing process for author name and content items. Then there's opt in and opt out parts, which for clarity I've highlighted green and red respectively.

As follows:

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Title: The Simtropolis STEX DVD Team has selected you!

Hi, <Name>!

It's that time again! I just wanted to let you know that the STEX DVD Team has been working hard picking through some of the best contributions for inclusion in the next Volume 4 of the Simtropolis STEX Collector's Disc.

You've definitely contributed some quality stuff, and we'd like to include some of it on the disc, if you would allow us:

• <ItemList>

As you may know, Simtropolis relies on donations to help keep the site operating. The STEX Collector's Discs are a way for us to give those who have donated a little thank you gift for supporting the community.

I hope you will allow us to include a few of your files on the disc. Of course, I understand if you choose not to for any reason.

If you are OK with having your stuff included, you don't need to do anything further!

If you prefer to not have your stuff included, just reply and let me know! No hard feelings!

If you just want to pass on some well-wishes to the STEX DVD Team, you can reply, too, they could use the encouragement (It's a lot of hard work!)

Any case, thanks for contributing some really great stuff. All the best;

Dirk, and the STEX DVD Team

PS. If you already received this email, please disregard!

 

Here's the template used for Volume 5 (sent in 2013):

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Title: You've been selected to be included in the next STEX disc!

Hello, <Name>,

This email is to inform you that your files have been chosen to appear in the upcoming STEX Collector's Volume 5 disc which will be sent out as gifts to those who help support the site.

The files that we have selected of yours to appear in this collection are:

• <ItemList>

If for any reason you do not wish your files -- in whole or in part -- to be included in this collection, please reply to this email and let us know.

Otherwise, no further action is required, and we just want to say thanks for allowing us to include your files. We only release these discs once every couple of years as a way to give thanks to those folks who help contribute to paying the operating costs for the community.

Sincerely - Dirktator, Webmaster & the STEX Disc Team

 

Then more recently last year, the following was sent to authors in preparation for a new collection:

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Title: Your files at Simtropolis

Hello, <Name>:

You are receiving this email because you have uploaded a file to our STEX (Simtropolis Exchange).

As you may know, from time to time, we like to collect some of the best files from contributors and package it as a download or a DVD disc and give it as a gift to members who have donated

If you have any objection to any of your files (for any reason) appearing in one of our STEX Collections gifts, please reply and let us know. We'll simply make sure none of your stuff appears in any collection.

If you have no objection and don't mind your files be included in any future collection, you don't need to do anything other than to accept our sincerest "Thank you".

Simtropolis is not a commercial enterprise, nor do we make any kind of profit from ads or donations. We are a free, fan-operated community and rely solely on donations, all of which go toward covering the ongoing maintenance costs.

If you have any questions whatsoever, please feel free to reply!

All the best;
dirk & STEX CD Team

 

In the Volume 4 message, the last line suggests multiple attempts were made in order to ensure content creators did receive this email, and then authors had a chance to opt out by replying to say so. Thus there would've been no questions asked, and the content wouldn't have been included in any form. Given it was infeasible to receive permission from hundreds of authors, the implied consent comes from not doing anything further. Consequently any author would have been included who didn't reply. All Simtropolis members are required to provide a valid email for contact, so anyone who may have specified an invalid address unfortunately wouldn't have got the message. I appreciate how if not receiving prior word of this, you might feel the inclusion of your content has been done unfairly without adequate written notice. We understand and respect that.

That being said, what outcome would be one which satisfies you?

Keep in mind Simtropolis followed the proper established procedure when those discs were created, and as such your included 9 items of content shall not be removed from the existing STEX Collection discs. I'm afraid we cannot be held liable for something you didn't do, whether receiving notification or not.

Early on Saturday I sent a message to @Dirktator bringing our status conversation to his attention. However, I've also yet to receive a reply and I know he has been busy with RL matters this past week or so. For that reason I apologise for the delay on Dirk's behalf, and have contacted him again as a reminder.

In the meantime until Dirk gets back to you, I trust my post here helps alleviate concerns about the inclusion of your content on the STEX Collections. If you have other questions, we'll do our best to address them too. I'm sure the community is in full support to hope this can be resolved with your consideration. Understanding how the decision to remove content from the exchange impacts others, and how undoubtedly people appreciate the creation of BATs as you've done and continued to do so.

Thanks,

-CB  (Representing the Simtropolis Staff)

[Dirktator 2,320]

18 hours ago, kellydale2003 said:

I emailed @Dirktator requesting an explanation but have received no emails back.

Well this seems like an outright lie.  I attach proof of my reply to you within hours in the following screenshot.

 

 

And I'll include my full reply here for everyone to see:

 

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On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 11:11 AM Dirk Simtropolis <dirktator@simtropolis.com> wrote:

 

Wow I apologize for your feeling so slighted. It's been our system to collect community favourite content for our special collector's editions discs.  Content creators who have made the cut get an email notification saying that their stuff would be going on and if they had any objections we'd be happy to not include them. I can't explain why you can't find said email, it would have been several years ago now since our last disc.  There are any number of reasons why emails might have been misdirected. 

 

In any case, if you feel so strongly about the matter, your particular files can be excluded from subsequent shipments of the discs. Since these discs are created on demand and sent out or for download, it's not like there's a giant warehouse with millions of them sitting there immutable to change.  As for profiteering on your "grandmother's name" that's bit extreme don't you think? Good grief, please help me understand this. How many folks would even really know that your grandma's name was in anyway involved and in what capacity would having content with her name that you created on a collection of same or similar content be in any way demeaning? Please help me understand that part.

 

As it has always been the case no one is making money off these discs. Not a single soul. Every penny goes towards all our server's bills and various licenses and hosting that are necessary to keep the community running. Several times donations are not sufficient to cover costs and those come directly out of my pocket willingly and happily -- for now.  If you have been around for that amount of time, I would have hoped that some of the semblance of the values we hold here would have been a bit more clear to you and what all the voluntary effort, dollars and time goes into. In any case, again, all I can offer is removing your files from future batches.

 

 

[Spamoidutout 124]

I don't really understand why a content creator would not want his work to be featured on the ST discs. They help support the website, and without the website their creations would have no public.
Look at what happened to many SC4 sites recently. SC4 poland site closed a short time ago.

Sites like Simtropolis need to stay alive, and for that  they need money.

 

Aside from that, I find it very sad that you chose to remove your work and hope you and the site admins and mods will find a solution because it would be a great loss.  

[kellydale2003 2,276]

Well, this is extremely unfortunate and definitely not within the law especially considering that Canada's Anti Spam Legislation (CASL) says that email recipients must explicitly opt-in (as of 2016+ I believe).The punishment for that for a first time is up to $1 million just in case you didn't know. It doesn't matter if they 'opted-in' 10 years ago, they needed to opt-in most recently.

Furthermore, the preamble to the reasoning behind this law is because companies take advantage of the lack of replies to "condone a person's consent." I've done a search of the IP that Simtropolis has used and found that yes, it is black listed for violating CASL and everyone who receives an email from that IP address (namely every single email from @Simtropolis.com) are automatically sent to everyone's SPAM folders.

The abuse of this system is evident in Simtropolis' email situation as not even Gmail accepts Dirk's reply as an email sender. Taking advantage of Simtropolis' blacklisted IP address and automatically "opting them in" is an abuse of Canadian law.

Furthermore, Cyclone Boom has changed his story from "message" to "email":

 

All I asked for was a simple explanation and expected some cooperation.

However, seeing that I am met with hostility and the attempt that administrators are justifying their ways of desperately clawing content away from creator's rather than following a more legally sound solution, I will wait for one more (hopefully diplomatic) reply before I decide whether or not I will leave Simtropolis entirely. I'm told I'm at-fault for these shady and unsound practices. As a US and Canadian business owner who started from my career in marketing, I can say that with confidence.

No one messages a video content creator and asks, "can I use your video?" and then says, "he did NOT email me back -- that's a yes."

Furthermore, Cyclone Boom's comment that says, "Your quality content helps encourage donations" is evidence that my content is being used to garner revenue and revenue is defined as profits or donations -- revenue is revenue.

A simple message (not from 10 years ago from a potentially blacklisted email address) would've been suffice to change my opinion on this matter. In fact, I would've been proud to release a year's worth of content as exclusive content and maybe even provide The Bow, Four Seasons Toronto and the Grand Wilshire Centre (Los Angeles' only major downtown skyscraper not in SimCity 4) as a single digital download with a donation of $0.50+.

However, reading "good grief" in the email, this hostile response and these attempts to hide behind technicalities irks me.

Considering that:

1) Cyclone Boom literally admitted that my content garners revenue for Simtropolis (which I had no knowledge of for literally a decade);

2) Simtropolis is in violation of federal law in Canada; and

3) The content creators/players for SimCity 4 continues to decline...

Simtropolis is in no position to call any shots here whatsoever.

I expected diplomacy under these circumstances. Instead, having Dirk question my concerns by saying, quote, "Good grief... How many folks would even really know that your grandma's name was in anyway involved and in what capacity would having content with her name that you created on a collection of same or similar content be in any way demeaning?"

Like, do I really have to air out my personal family's laundry to justify this? My family's control over her name (which is also in a limited instance a trade mark) is important to our family. We have a street named after her, a building and hopefully a foundation and scholarship in her name by 2020.

Every party has respectfully agreed to utilize her name and use it in the best interest of the cause or my community. However, Simtropolis' usage was simply meant as a memoir for digital download. Instead, Cyclone Boom suggests that the content garners revenue and this is very unknown to my family and I.

While we control the usage of her name in all areas of it's use, Simtropolis has hastily and quickly hid behind technicalities rather than solvable diplomacy while questioning whether or not if my concerns are even considered to be valid.

At this point, I'll await an apology not out of entitlement, but out of mutual respect. Despite the abuse of staff I've received during my first years on Simtropolis, I stuck it out and proved everyone wrong that yes, I am a content creator. I never received an apology for that matter and I continued to provide content exclusively for Simtropolis even after I was accepted back at SC4D. To date, I have provided exclusively only for Simtropolis to help bring users back to the community.

From my point of view, Simtropolis' administrators have never provided that same mutual respect in return. I raise a concern, I get blasted and my concerns will always get invalidated.

If Simtropolis ever expects some pity or generosity in it's non-profit model, I suggest not ruling with an iron fist in these manners.

Stop hiding behind technicalities, come clean and find a better solution for garnering content to be used for donations.

I'll await your response, Dirk.

 

- Kellydale2003

[Dirktator 2,320]

I will apologize for the initial snark that crept into my reply, that's on me, and that was just a reaction from sheer bewilderment. 

And yes I did ask you to help me understand how your grandmother's name is being "demeaned" and how this was a "stab in the back" -- both of these terms genuinely took me by surprise as they came across rather accusative -- but fine, I still struggle to understand this but you don't owe me a justification.  

I already told you that I can't explain why you don't have an email from several years ago.  And I'm not going to go into that issue.

I offered to remove your content from future shipments of the collection disc as a gesture that I'm willing to make a repair and willing to accept the odd chance that the notification email never made it to you even though I firmly believe we followed a very open and fair protocol. 

I'll make good on that offer and accept if you want to part ways from here, we can discuss your account closure if you so wish to do so.

[Spamoidutout 124]

I will add, from a custom buildings user's point of view, that you're punishing the users here if you decide to withdraw all you created, and you're also punishing yourself.

The point of ST is to share, if you chose to see them using your work for the fundraising reward CD's (and that should be seen as an honor) as something negative... well I don't understand, I really do not understand what's going on here.

[kellydale2003 2,276]

1 hour ago, Dirktator said:

I will apologize for the initial snark that crept into my reply, that's on me, and that was just a reaction from sheer bewilderment. 

And yes I did ask you to help me understand how your grandmother's name is being "demeaned" and how this was a "stab in the back" -- both of these terms genuinely took me by surprise as they came across rather accusative -- but fine, I still struggle to understand this but you don't owe me a justification.  

I already told you that I can't explain why you don't have an email from several years ago.  And I'm not going to go into that issue.

I offered to remove your content from future shipments of the collection disc as a gesture that I'm willing to make a repair and willing to accept the odd chance that the notification email never made it to you even though I firmly believe we followed a very open and fair protocol. 

I'll make good on that offer and accept if you want to part ways from here, we can discuss your account closure if you so wish to do so.

I accept the apology. Please remove the Linda Swampy BAT from the STEX discs and all other content is free to be placed on STEX discs. I'll continue my content contribution to Simtropolis on that basis of understanding.

You may "unhide" all of my STEX uploads except for "Linda Swampy Pharmaceuticals." I will address that BAT in a separate manner. 

I also highly recommend getting explicit responses going forward for content that people literally spend hundreds, if not thousands, of hours creating. I did video licensing and sold my licenses to Break.com a few years back and understand that individually getting responses from content creators is a tedious process.

I suggest adding a simple button where you submit your STEX content's details.

"Do you consent this creation to be on a STEX disc if need be?" 

Just click a box stating an answer and you have explicitly written answer. That's my suggestion. It's simple, easy and less time consuming.

Anyway, I appreciate your response, Dirk and I accept your apology. I will continue providing content as long as this relationship remains productive and mutually respectful of each other's work.

Thank you,

- Kellydale2003

[T Wrecks 10,209]

9 minutes ago, kellydale2003 said:

I suggest adding a simple button where you submit your STEX content's details.

"Do you consent this creation to be on a STEX disc if need be?" 

Just click a box stating an answer and you have explicitly written answer.

You know what, I don't think that's a bad idea. This community is getting old, and there are members returning after years of hiatus. While I know the practice around the STEX discs from all the years I've spent here with rather constant attention, this might not be the case for everyone - neither for new members nor for those who return after a longer absence or at least after a period of low activity.

Plus, emails can land where they don't belong, depending on your ISP, mail software and possibly any third-party software you may be using.

Placing such a heads-up on the upload screen would be a reminder right where it's relevant, when it's relevant, and readily visible for everyone. If it is technically feasible, it could even link to a little text explaining the STEX discs and their role in contributing to the maintenance costs.

[CorinaMarie 29,605]

@Fantozzi and @rsc204

I feel this isn't the place to have this discussion. I'm going to lock the thread for just a few minutes and then remove the off topic posts. I'll then unlock it when I've done the housekeeping.

Feel free to continue your discussion via PM.

Since a resolution has been reached, please keep this on topic as the BAT thread for which it was created.

Thanks all.

[edwardjeria 503]

2 hours ago, T Wrecks said:

You know what, I don't think that's a bad idea. This community is getting old, and there are members returning after years of hiatus. While I know the practice around the STEX discs from all the years I've spent here with rather constant attention, this might not be the case for everyone - neither for new members nor for those who return after a longer absence or at least after a period of low activity.

Plus, emails can land where they don't belong, depending on your ISP, mail software and possibly any third-party software you may be using.

Placing such a heads-up on the upload screen would be a reminder right where it's relevant, when it's relevant, and readily visible for everyone. If it is technically feasible, it could even link to a little text explaining the STEX discs and their role in contributing to the maintenance costs.

 

I agree with @T Wrecks, each time this community descends in the number of creators ... shared 3 years ago ... I think it would be a great idea to build the enthusiasm of those present

[kellydale2003 2,276]

Sorry to be so bi-polar with all of these posts. We switch from one topic to another in a very quick and unexpected fashion.

Anyway, back to the heart of this thread: my BATs.

I've done a test render of the Grand Wilshire Centre will did a little bit more facade work. The facade itself is actually difficult because there is literally only one directional curtain wall that is in a straight and linear fashion. Every other piece of glass is curved, tapers or changes in position the higher the floor.

I'm still working on getting the dimensions just right before permanently keeping all of the glass in place. 

 

Furthermore, this area highlighted in orange is a street in real life. SimCity 4's square tiles means that this is largely an empty space and I have not yet decided what to do with it. Would this be better as a park or as an overhang? Would FARR or whatever it's called conveniently match the building's angle? Does anyone even know what that angle is? Lol!

 

- Kellydale2003

 

PS; The Library Tower and Grand Wilshire Centre are in relative height to one another. I tend to use a 20% vertical scaling to fend off the squishing of orthographic views whereas the majority of the BATting community uses 33% (a guesstimate made by Simfox back in the day). We had a debate about this way back and I counted 20x20 pixels on a 1x1x1m box under 20% scaling whereas the 33% did not provide the same 1:1 ratio. Simfox agreed but said 33% just looked better anyway.

So, I've stuck with 20% scaling ever since.

As someone who lives in Los Angeles, I can confirm that Library Tower is also on a hill compared to GWC. This is why in photos it stands slightly higher than normal. Regardless, they're relative in nature in the game.

[T Wrecks 10,209]

On the question of how to design the base, I'd say it would be best to leave that triangular part you highlighted out, i.e. not model anything there and simply cut the model off at the angled line.

This would open up two possibilities:

1. The building could be offered as an overhanging ploppable BAT that conforms to FA road - it looks like the line goes roughly 1 tile sideways for every 3 tiles ahead (the lot is 9 tiles wide, and the upper rigth corner of the triangle is almost exactly 3 tiles away from the road). This should correspond pretty closely with FA-3. (If it's not entirely 3-1, the BAT's ground could easily be cut  at that angle even if the wall would not be exactly parallel)
2. On the other hand, this would not prevent the building from being offered as a regular growable (or ploppable, for that matter) on a usual square lot - the triangular area would just have to be filled with textures and props, which shouldn't be much of a problem (especially if the LOD shell follows the angled edge). These days, we even have overlay textures for FA-3.

[EvansRE4 796]

1 hour ago, kellydale2003 said:

Sorry to be so bi-polar with all of these posts. We switch from one topic to another in a very quick and unexpected fashion.

Anyway, back to the heart of this thread: my BATs.

I've done a test render of the Grand Wilshire Centre will did a little bit more facade work. The facade itself is actually difficult because there is literally only one directional curtain wall that is in a straight and linear fashion. Every other piece of glass is curved, tapers or changes in position the higher the floor.

I'm still working on getting the dimensions just right before permanently keeping all of the glass in place. 

 

Furthermore, this area highlighted in orange is a street in real life. SimCity 4's square tiles means that this is largely an empty space and I have not yet decided what to do with it. Would this be better as a park or as an overhang? Would FARR or whatever it's called conveniently match the building's angle? Does anyone even know what that angle is? Lol!

 

- Kellydale2003

 

PS; The Library Tower and Grand Wilshire Centre are in relative height to one another. I tend to use a 20% vertical scaling to fend off the squishing of orthographic views whereas the majority of the BATting community uses 33% (a guesstimate made by Simfox back in the day). We had a debate about this way back and I counted 20x20 pixels on a 1x1x1m box under 20% scaling whereas the 33% did not provide the same 1:1 ratio. Simfox agreed but said 33% just looked better anyway.

So, I've stuck with 20% scaling ever since.

As someone who lives in Los Angeles, I can confirm that Library Tower is also on a hill compared to GWC. This is why in photos it stands slightly higher than normal. Regardless, they're relative in nature in the game.

Or you could do like so many other batters have done and do both possibly. I like FAR idea and the park idea as well

[Tyberius06 12,189]

Hi!

I'm glad to see that the issues have been resolved. 

2 hours ago, T Wrecks said:

This would open up two possibilities:

1. The building could be offered as an overhanging ploppable BAT that conforms to FA road - it looks like the line goes roughly 1 tile sideways for every 3 tiles ahead (the lot is 9 tiles wide, and the upper rigth corner of the triangle is almost exactly 3 tiles away from the road). This should correspond pretty closely with FA-3. (If it's not entirely 3-1, the BAT's ground could easily be cut  at that angle even if the wall would not be exactly parallel)
2. On the other hand, this would not prevent the building from being offered as a regular growable (or ploppable, for that matter) on a usual square lot - the triangular area would just have to be filled with textures and props, which shouldn't be much of a problem (especially if the LOD shell follows the angled edge). These days, we even have overlay textures for FA-3.

I agree with T Wrecks. These approaches would be really nice. Anyway it looks already awesome!

- Tyberius

[edwardjeria 503]

I think a park would be better, LA needs more parks ... Would not you consider making a statue of your "Ke" logo in that park?

[nycsc4 5,250]

This looks fantastic.  I think the glass looks wonderful.

Regarding the base, I would more likely use a regular styled lot, I usually like a bit of room to landscape around beautiful buildings like this, while still leaving the majority of the setbacks urban in form.  Some trees, benches, and other features can really make a work like this pop.  But I can also see the allure of an overhang that would fit with FAR or even an avenue roundabout.

No matter which base you choose, I'll undoubtedly find a way to shoehorn it into my cities.

[T Wrecks 10,209]

10 hours ago, nycsc4 said:

No matter which base you choose, I'll undoubtedly find a way to shoehorn it into my cities.

Personally, BATs like these are the reason for me to want to go into modern tilesets at all. While I am really a sucker for anything that fits into Chicago 1890 / NY 1940 tilesets, there are just too many mouthwatering BATs from more recent times to ignore. I can't help marveling at them and thinking "Man, I just have to use these sooner or later."

What's taking shape here is, without doubt, one of those buildings.

[nycsc4 5,250]

8 hours ago, T Wrecks said:

Personally, BATs like these are the reason for me to want to go into modern tilesets at all. While I am really a sucker for anything that fits into Chicago 1890 / NY 1940 tilesets, there are just too many mouthwatering BATs from more recent times to ignore. I can't help marveling at them and thinking "Man, I just have to use these sooner or later."

What's taking shape here is, without doubt, one of those buildings.

Sounds like you and I share a love of the Chicago School style of architecture!  I too am a sucker for the historic architecture of cities like Chicago, St. Louis and NYC.  I’m working on a Vancouver re-creation and Vancouver is a very modern, glass, steel and concrete city.  After awhile I realized I had basically built a cross between Chicago, STL, and NYC on a Vancouver map.  So once I discovered Kelly’s sensational BATs (along with several other great modern BATters) I started mixing a bit more and am really liking what I’ve been coming up with.  This Wilsher Tower looks especially good.  I’m also hoping to see that two tower lot from Toronto with the green roof make an appearance.

[Spamoidutout 124]

I 100% agree with T Wrecks on this.

Oh and btw... what a beauty! (Not T Wrecks, the building )

[tails2489 350]

@kellydale2003 how big is the base of the Wiltshire Grand??

[kellydale2003 2,276]

On 12/20/2018 at 3:21 PM, tails2489 said:

@kellydale2003 how big is the base of the Wiltshire Grand??

She's a big girl!

 

CN Tower

Anybody want to LOT this for me? Everything is created but I just need someone with some creativeness. This is not the final product but just a New Year's release. The final product will include the full CN Tower complex and the Ripley's Aquarium.

IBM if you can LOT this bad boy.

 

 

[AsimPika3172 1,136]

Wow...  CN Tower look so colourful on night version! I like it! 

[redfox85 659]

It even looks like you included the new entrance .. nice !

[gutterclub 2,729]

Why not release the .SC4 model file and maybe even hold a little Lot edit competition, then you can still give people use of it and release the full version when ready?