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St.Pauli Theater Hamburg / Reeperbahn.
This is the building that stands wall to wall with the Davidwache shown earlier. 3x2

[philforhockey51 4,220]

New Region I'm working on

 

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Port Police Station No.2. Hamburg  2x3

 

[xxdita 1,097]

7 hours ago, SIM-ple Jack said:

(searches frantically for eye-roll smiley)

If you're going to make it the way it was made for the movie, shouldn't it only have 2 walls and a bunch of film cameras and lighting behind it?

 

Your honor, I rest my case V.

Those first two houses seem scaled perfectly to one another. The differences would be in the lotting (or lack thereof). 

The second pic doesn't mesh well at all. But these aren't buildings I would expect to see in the same picture in the real world anyway. 

 

[mattb325 28,891]

8 hours ago, SIM-ple Jack said:

(searches frantically for eye-roll smiley)

If you're going to make it the way it was made for the movie, shouldn't it only have 2 walls and a bunch of film cameras and lighting behind it?

 

Your honor, I rest my case V.

Thankyou for posting a picture which clearly shows Falling water to be smaller than (and to have smaller internal spaces than) Vandamm house, which, as the creator of both models, I told you about some posts prior.

Perhaps in the real world you know an intelligent adult who can impartially contextualise this entire situation for you: from your having requested a BAT be made, to actually having had that BAT made - free of charge no less - for what is in reality just an old computer game. 

Perhaps this adult will be intelligent enough to advise you that if something which you didn't pay for doesn't meet your requirements, that having churlishly voiced your self-entitled thoughts once, you move on. 

Perhaps this adult will advise you to download the tools which are available to all members, free of charge, required to make the BAT and do it yourself. 

[nycsc4 5,250]

9 hours ago, SIM-ple Jack said:

(searches frantically for eye-roll smiley)

If you're going to make it the way it was made for the movie, shouldn't it only have 2 walls and a bunch of film cameras and lighting behind it?

 

Your honor, I rest my case V.

Gotta agree with Matt on this one.  I’ve been a member here since 2005 and 98% of my BAT requests have gone unfulfilled.  The only BATter that has fulfilled any of my requests has been Matt.  You put this in the BAT request thread and he made it...that doesn’t happen often around here.  You should be grateful, most of those requests go ignored.  Matt’s one of the few guys that actually follows through.  H&R Block in KC, a hotel and a bank from my hometown, and even a small hospital prop, Matt is the only BATer that’s set aside any time for me.  Even if this house isn’t to your exact requirements it’s a damn fine piece of work that would look beautiful in any city.  Plus if I’m understanding this correctly, it’s from a movie and not even an existing building, so I’m not sure why we’re splitting hairs.  A great companion to Falling Water if you ask me.

[SIM-ple Jack 17,450]

1 hour ago, xxdita said:

 

The second pic doesn't mesh well at all. But these aren't buildings I would expect to see in the same picture in the real world anyway. 

 

That's an airplane hanger(WolfZe's I believe) that sits at a lower level of terrain.

55 minutes ago, mattb325 said:

Thankyou for posting a picture which clearly shows Falling water to be smaller than (and to have smaller internal spaces than) Vandamm house, which, as the creator of both models, I told you about some posts prior.

Perhaps in the real world you know an intelligent adult who can impartially contextualise this entire situation for you: from your having requested a BAT be made, to actually having had that BAT made - free of charge no less - for what is in reality just an old computer game. 

Perhaps this adult will be intelligent enough to advise you that if something which you didn't pay for doesn't meet your requirements, that having churlishly voiced your self-entitled thoughts once, you move on. 

Perhaps this adult will advise you to download the tools which are available to all members, free of charge, required to make the BAT and do it yourself. 

So, how much do I owe you?

[xxdita 1,097]

3 minutes ago, SIM-ple Jack said:

That's an airplane hanger(WolfZe's I believe) that sits at a lower level of terrain.

Who you got livin there? John Travolta? 

[SIM-ple Jack 17,450]

11 minutes ago, nycsc4 said:

Gotta agree with Matt on this one.  I’ve been a member here since 2005 and 98% of my BAT requests have gone unfulfilled.  The only BATter that has fulfilled any of my requests has been Matt.  You put this in the BAT request thread and he made it...that doesn’t happen often around here.  You should be grateful, most of those requests go ignored.  Matt’s one of the few guys that actually follows through.  H&R Block in KC, a hotel and a bank from my hometown, and even a small hospital prop, Matt is the only BATer that’s set aside any time for me.  Even if this house isn’t to your exact requirements it’s a damn fine piece of work that would look beautiful in any city.  Plus if I’m understanding this correctly, it’s from a movie and not even an existing building, so I’m not sure why we’re splitting hairs.  A great companion to Falling Water if you ask me.

On 1/8/2020 at 11:56 AM, SIM-ple Jack said:

 

While I'm in here, I might as well request some Frank Lloyd Wright architecture and the Mount Rushmore monument.

As you can see, I didn't request Matt or anyone else to make it. And I never said it was bad. But after this BS, there's slim to no chance I'll ever use it. Or ever make a BAT request.

 

[+Guest 760649]

1 hour ago, mattb325 said:

Perhaps in the real world you know an intelligent adult who can impartially contextualise this entire situation for you: from your having requested a BAT be made, to actually having had that BAT made - free of charge no less - for what is in reality just an old computer game. 

Perhaps this adult will be intelligent enough to advise you that if something which you didn't pay for doesn't meet your requirements, that having churlishly voiced your self-entitled thoughts once, you move on. 

Perhaps this adult will advise you to download the tools which are available to all members, free of charge, required to make the BAT and do it yourself. 

A statement that I can only support in the matter.
The fact that the BATers provide their time and skills free of charge is all too often pushed aside here. Instead of thanks, there is grumbling.
Apart from the fact that everyone is coming down now, one or the other can think about it...

[nycsc4 5,250]

57 minutes ago, SIM-ple Jack said:

But after this BS, there's slim to no chance I'll ever use it. Or ever make a BAT request.

 

Your loss on both counts.  And I never suggested you specifically asked Matt to make this.  You put a request in the BAT request thread, no matter how vague, and he made something influenced by said request.  You even quoted your original request to back that up.  Thanks!

[Rott 2,398]

I'm trying to figure out this BAT stuff, I want to make Vancouver Block into a lot:

 

But maybe this building is too much for a first attempt?

The clock tower lights up at night too, looks very intimidating to make...

[Edvarz 1,985]

On 21/2/2020 at 5:38 PM, mattb325 said:

Alfred Hitchcock's Vandamm Mayor's House reward is now available.

Here:

 

As someone who regularly deals with old content to try and bring it back to the game, I have seen my share of ugly and disfunctional models, and let me just say this is FAR from anything like it. Not only is the model more that fine, but it's been done in such a way that it has a unique look. And it's also been modded to be more than just a regular park or landmark lot, the creator could've easily modeled a normal house that only works in flat terrain, exported it as a park or something instead of messing around with the Reader, and called it a day. And not even then would a "beggars can't be choosers" comment would be warranted because it's a new addition to the game that has been made publicly available for free, despite it very much involving a real person's time and effort.

[BartonThinks 3,416]

8 minutes ago, Rott said:

I'm trying to figure out this BAT stuff, I want to make Vancouver Block into a lot:

 

But maybe this building is too much for a first attempt?

The clock tower lights up at night too, looks very intimidating to make...

I have zero experience with BATing, but I think one advantage of modeling stuff like this is you can usually find ways to bite off smaller chunks. E.g., maybe just try modeling the podium section underneath the clock, and see how that works out. That'll give you the chance to try a basic structure with windows and some ornamentation without trying to tackle the entire building at once. Chances are, it won't turn out perfectly on the first try, but it will allow you to build up your skillset and get a sense of how realistic the entire project will be.

P.S. Fantastic choice of building. Did the clock tower get added after the original structure? They look like they're slightly different styles/materials.

[IDS2 3,429]

47 minutes ago, Rott said:

I'm trying to figure out this BAT stuff, I want to make Vancouver Block into a lot:

 

But maybe this building is too much for a first attempt?

The clock tower lights up at night too, looks very intimidating to make...

 

If the building inspires you, I say go for it

Here's the deal - learning to BAT can be a steep learning curve, and it can be demoralizing at times when you can't get things to look exactly how you want. This particular building does have quite a bit of ornamentation, and getting everything to look the way you want will take a lot of dedication. If you're the detail oriented type, this might be a boon for you, but it can be intimidating when it's your first project.

However, everyone has to start somewhere, and where better to start than on a building that you really like? As you start to see the model take shape, it inspires you to keep going. Normally I'd advise one's first model to be a small, simple affair, but I've seen some amazing stuff come out of first timers after very little time at all. 

I'm with BartonThinks on this one. I encourage you to give it a go. And besides, if you're not happy with your first attempt, there's nothing stopping you from making a version 2!

If you have any questions, feel free to ask

[Rott 2,398]

14 minutes ago, BartonThinks said:

I have zero experience with BATing, but I think one advantage of modeling stuff like this is you can usually find ways to bite off smaller chunks. E.g., maybe just try modeling the podium section underneath the clock, and see how that works out. That'll give you the chance to try a basic structure with windows and some ornamentation without trying to tackle the entire building at once. Chances are, it won't turn out perfectly on the first try, but it will allow you to build up your skillset and get a sense of how realistic the entire project will be.

P.S. Fantastic choice of building. Did the clock tower get added after the original structure? They look like they're slightly different styles/materials.

Seems like the clock tower was there from the start: https://www.historicplaces.ca/en/rep-reg/place-lieu.aspx?id=10821&pid=0

[SIM-ple Jack 17,450]

25 minutes ago, nycsc4 said:

Your loss on both counts.  And I never suggested you specifically asked Matt to make this.  You put a request in the BAT request thread, no matter how vague, and he made something influenced by said request.  You even quoted your original request to back that up.  Thanks!

You guys should get your facts right before attempting to gang tackle me like you're doing. Matt never made Falling Waters for me. It was already made, a while back for DEV, and someone gave me a link to it. He made the VD house for himself, and I 'joked around with him from time to time asking if he ever was going to release it. Why he's having a hissy fit about 1 benign comment is beyond me, and his biz. I think those 5 star ratings have gone to your heads. If you don't want anything but absolute praise and sycophantic worship, maybe you shouldn't upload anything.

[Rott 2,398]

25 minutes ago, IDS2 said:

 

If the building inspires you, I say go for it

Here's the deal - learning to BAT can be a steep learning curve, and it can be demoralizing at times when you can't get things to look exactly how you want. This particular building does have quite a bit of ornamentation, and getting everything to look the way you want will take a lot of dedication. If you're the detail oriented type, this might be a boon for you, but it can be intimidating when it's your first project.

However, everyone has to start somewhere, and where better to start than on a building that you really like? As you start to see the model take shape, it inspires you to keep going. Normally I'd advise one's first model to be a small, simple affair, but I've seen some amazing stuff come out of first timers after very little time at all. 

I'm with BartonThinks on this one. I encourage you to give it a go. And besides, if you're not happy with your first attempt, there's nothing stopping you from making a version 2!

If you have any questions, feel free to ask

Yeah the more I think about it, starting with a smaller lot is probably a much better idea for someone with my attention span, and I am not familiar with any sort of these 3D modeling programs. One day I hope to try this one though, thanks for the input.

One more thing, do people ever hand draw the buildings or are they all captured using the BAT?

[IDS2 3,429]

17 minutes ago, Rott said:

Yeah the more I think about it, starting with a smaller lot is probably a much better idea for someone with my attention span, and I am not familiar with any sort of these 3D modeling programs. One day I hope to try this one though, thanks for the input.

One more thing, do people ever hand draw the buildings or are they all captured using the BAT?

Generally speaking, everything is rendered in the BAT. I think hand drawing the buildings (or drawing them up in some manner akin to the SC2K SCURK art) and bringing them into the game is *technically* feasible, based on this thread, but it would be extremely labor intensive. Keep in mind you'd have to "draw" the north, south, east, and west views of 5 zoom levels, which brings you to a total of 20 drawings - and that's just the day scene! I believe there may have been a handful of instances in which something like the technique described in that thread may have been successfully used, but all of the ones I know of involved renders that were taken in the BAT rather than being "drawn" (by hand or otherwise).

[BartonThinks 3,416]

12 minutes ago, SIM-ple Jack said:

You guys should get your facts right before attempting to gang tackle me like you're doing. Matt never made Falling Waters for me. It was already made, a while back for DEV, and someone gave me a link to it. He made the VD house for himself, and I 'joked around with him from time to time asking if he ever was going to release it. Why he's having a hissy fit about 1 benign comment is beyond me, and his biz. I think those 5 star ratings have gone to your heads. If you don't want anything but absolute praise and sycophantic worship, maybe you shouldn't upload anything.

I'm not always the best at saying the right thing myself, so I don't mean to sound overly critical here, but I think you misunderstood how your original comment about the model came across. I'm sure it sounded a certain way to you when you were writing it, but I think it sounds a lot different to the people reading your post. Because of that, I also suspect that you view Matt's replies as somewhat rude, when I think everyone else views them as a reasonable response.

On a related note... I've been reluctant to wade into this conversation, but I did want to mention how much I love that Vandamm house model. It's not the kind of buiding that I usually have in my own cities (I'm not much for terraforming in service of particular models), but as someone who's watched North by Northwest a good 25+ times, it's a treat to have this model available, especially with the extraordinary attention to detail that went into it.

[mattb325 28,891]

1 hour ago, SIM-ple Jack said:

Why he's having a hissy fit about 1 benign comment is beyond me

There was and is no 'hissy fit' (on my part at least).

Any 'hissy fit' is your misunderstanding.

You posted a comment which was factually incorrect. I corrected you on the measurements and your go-to was to tell me to "calm down". From that moment I knew exactly the sort of situation I was dealing with. If your feelings are hurt, that is regrettable, but your present predicament is entirely of your own making.

[SIM-ple Jack 17,450]

On 2/19/2020 at 5:31 AM, Raymond7cn said:

 

Saw something similar to this in a movie today.

[Haljackey 17,398]

On 2/22/2020 at 5:51 PM, Haljackey said:

Continuing work... The MHW is gone now.

Cosmetic work continues.

Putting the finishing touches on this now, and opened to traffic.

Maxis highway is gone from my region. This was the last stretch, built in 2010. Took 10 years to get rid of it lol

[Rott 2,398]

1 hour ago, IDS2 said:

Generally speaking, everything is rendered in the BAT. I think hand drawing the buildings (or drawing them up in some manner akin to the SC2K SCURK art) and bringing them into the game is *technically* feasible, based on this thread, but it would be extremely labor intensive. Keep in mind you'd have to "draw" the north, south, east, and west views of 5 zoom levels, which brings you to a total of 20 drawings - and that's just the day scene! I believe there may have been a handful of instances in which something like the technique described in that thread may have been successfully used, but all of the ones I know of involved renders that were taken in the BAT rather than being "drawn" (by hand or otherwise).

Holy cow, I didn't realize there needed to be 5 zoom levels too, that's a TON of pixels to draw so yeah I better stick with the BAT!

[Raymond7cn 6,776]

1 hour ago, SIM-ple Jack said:

Saw something similar to this in a movie today.

Thank you Jack, It looks like this statue as large as human, I'm afraid that we couldn't see them clearly in SimCity, Anyway, I plan to make three versions of them with 1*1/2*2/3*3, I thought that will be more convenient to everyone. Thank you Very much!

Sincerely,

-- Raymond

[gutterclub 2,729]

1 hour ago, Rott said:

Holy cow, I didn't realize there needed to be 5 zoom levels too, that's a TON of pixels to draw so yeah I better stick with the BAT!

You wouldn't, you would do the x4 views at Z5 and then just shrink it by 50% each time.

That said, they way you are describing making a BAT is insane, especially with the tools available. Good luck with whatever you try

[gutterclub 2,729]

3 hours ago, SIM-ple Jack said:

 If you don't want anything but absolute praise and sycophantic worship, maybe you shouldn't upload anything.

Or..if any of us didn't upload anything we wouldn't be playing this game decades later and talking about it on this forum. Nobody is asking for the above praise you mention, but also nobody is asking for childish , borderline jealous commentary which only ramps up once you are proven to be wrong by the creator.

 

[BartonThinks 3,416]

3 minutes ago, gutterclub said:

You wouldn't, you would do the x4 views at Z5 and then just shrink it by 50% each time.

That said, they way you are describing making a BAT is insane, especially with the tools available. Good luck with whatever you try

It might be insane, and I realize that Rott probably meant something different when he said "hand-drawn," but I can imagine some really cool results if someone wanted to create a full city's worth of highly stylized buildings.

[The British Sausage 5,449]

7 hours ago, SIM-ple Jack said:

You guys should get your facts right before attempting to gang tackle me like you're doing. Matt never made Falling Waters for me. It was already made, a while back for DEV, and someone gave me a link to it. He made the VD house for himself, and I 'joked around with him from time to time asking if he ever was going to release it. Why he's having a hissy fit about 1 benign comment is beyond me, and his biz. I think those 5 star ratings have gone to your heads. If you don't want anything but absolute praise and sycophantic worship, maybe you shouldn't upload anything.

Criticisms and observations are valid- they tell us what might have been. I don't see what the big deal is if you thought the Vandamm House should be wider ingame. I also know there is nothing more frustrating then seeing a good BAT which looks complete and ready to go be put on hold for 'standards' and 'quality'. Since I use BATs as old as 2004/2005, then if it looks as good as that level then I'm happy. It can always be improved later.

Sometimes BAT creators get precious about their creations and it only happens here. For instance I recall a few months ago an argument simmer2 had with someone about the outer surrounding walls of this lighthouse being too bright. I also know this isn't mattb325's first rodeo with Simtropolis and people commenting on his bats, he took a break from Simtropolis 3 or 4 years ago and stayed strictly in SC4D.

In SC4D there is much greater scrutiny of bats and everyone commenting is a bat creator themselves, thus they can provide relevant technical information with their comments and criticisms. I know this because I am a member of SC4D, but not a BAT creator. Thus you don't get arguments like this.

You have my support.

[mattb325 28,891]

12 hours ago, The British Sausage said:

Sometimes BAT creators get precious about their creations and it only happens here

 

12 hours ago, The British Sausage said:

I also know this isn't mattb325's first rodeo with Simtropolis and people commenting on his bats, he took a break from Simtropolis 3 or 4 years ago and stayed strictly in SC4D.

You are not in a position to speculate on my reasons. I left Simtropolis all those years ago after a series of utterly revolting PMs: the sustained public criticism was merely the icing on the cake. 

Furthermore, an equal number of comments I receive on SC4D come from non-batters/non-modders, so I am not sure what you are basing the statement that "everyone commenting is a BAT creator themselves" on.

EDIT: Just for laughs, one day I may even consider going against my own value system and publish these PMs. I'm sure the community would be quite shocked to see just how revolting supposedly 'respected' members of the community can be when they think no-one else is around. 

  Edited February 24, 2020 by mattb325