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I can't imagine playing SC4 without having NAM in my plugins folder. Probably almost every city that has been built by the community ever since SC4 exists has NAM and always will have and this is something hard to achieve but a huge success. Thank you NAM Team for all the efforts you guys have put into this game for so many years!

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If I could make a small suggestion: The installation instructions aren't particularly clear on how to install the 4 gb patch. I assumed the patch was already installed onto my game, since I've played with NAM 36 before, and I ran into a CTD issue each time I tried to open a city tile. The instructions don't actually specify which .exe file needs to be patched or where that file can be found. I was able to put 2+2 together, but if this isn't spelled out in the instructions, I think a lot of novice and less-computer-savvy users are going to have serious trouble with the installation.

The new features are all excellent, but between the patch issue and having to download an entirely different program (which requires registering an account with a company that demands a lot of personal information) just to use the installer, I feel like this version is going to be really off-putting for new users. I know the installer was its own issue from skimming some threads on SC4Devotion, and it's maybe not my place to criticize, but I found the installation process somewhat frustrating.

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1 hour ago, BartonThinks said:

If I could make a small suggestion: The installation instructions aren't particularly clear on how to install the 4 gb patch. I assumed the patch was already installed onto my game, since I've played with NAM 36 before, and I ran into a CTD issue each time I tried to open a city tile. The instructions don't actually specify which .exe file needs to be patched or where that file can be found. I was able to put 2+2 together, but if this isn't spelled out in the instructions, I think a lot of novice and less-computer-savvy users are going to have serious trouble with the installation.

The new features are all excellent, but between the patch issue and having to download an entirely different program (which requires registering an account with a company that demands a lot of personal information) just to use the installer, I feel like this version is going to be really off-putting for new users. I know the installer was its own issue from skimming some threads on SC4Devotion, and it's maybe not my place to criticize, but I found the installation process somewhat frustrating.

To run the installer you only need the Java Runtime environment .

https://www.java.com/en/download/

No accounts need to be made if you are just using the redistribution software AFAIK however I think the License agreement has changed. As of April 16 2019.

An image of what the splash screen looks like is attached to this post.

If all goes well. Enjoy NAM 37 *;)

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9 minutes ago, Eggman121 said:

To run the installer you only need the Java Runtime environment .

https://www.java.com/en/download/

No accounts need to be made if you are just using the redistribution software AFAIK however I think the License agreement has changed. As of April 16 2019.

An image of what the splash screen looks like is attached to this post.

If all goes well. Enjoy NAM 37 *;)

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Maybe it's just an issue in the documentation then? The "Read First" first page that comes with NAM 37 links to the following page in the "Requirements" section.

https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/javase-jre8-downloads.html

If you try to download any of the files on this page, Oracle redirects you to a login screen. If you don't have an existing account, you need to create one before you can download the JRE from that page. When creating an account, Oracle asks for information like your phone number, employer, and job title. After you've created your account, you need to verify via email before you're able to use it. At that point, you need to go back to the download page, click the link again, log in, and only then can you download the JRE.

If there's another page where the JRE can be downloaded without all of these steps, I think that might be helpful.

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I am so sad you changed to this install method.  Although I have used a computer for decades now and have installed mods for games forever, I cannot figure out how to get this to work and am giving up.

 

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21 minutes ago, bunito said:

I cannot figure out how to get this to work

I sense a YouTube video in our future, so don't give up, just be patient.

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2 hours ago, BartonThinks said:

Maybe it's just an issue in the documentation then? The "Read First" first page that comes with NAM 37 links to the following page in the "Requirements" section.

https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/javase-jre8-downloads.html

If you try to download any of the files on this page, Oracle redirects you to a login screen. If you don't have an existing account, you need to create one before you can download the JRE from that page. When creating an account, Oracle asks for information like your phone number, employer, and job title. After you've created your account, you need to verify via email before you're able to use it. At that point, you need to go back to the download page, click the link again, log in, and only then can you download the JRE.

If there's another page where the JRE can be downloaded without all of these steps, I think that might be helpful.

Good Pickup on the link. Did the link in the post work for you for just the simplified program?

We decided to change the installer to better reflect content going forward. There was only one (1) person who could work with the old installer and it was a nightmare to have testing packages let alone a full release.  The Java installer eliminates this issue with the installer being so complex as well as allowing it to run on Mac OS and Linux. Something that has be temperamental at best to get working. Based on the feedback I will see what we can to to ease the install burden.

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11 minutes ago, Eggman121 said:

Good Pickup on the link. Did the link in the post work for you for just the simplified program?

We decided to change the installer to better reflect content going forward. There was only one (1) person who could work with the old installer and it was a nightmare to have testing packages let alone a full release.  The Java installer eliminates this issue with the installer being so complex as well as allowing it to run on Mac OS and Linux. Something that has be temperamental at best to get working. Based on the feedback I will see what we can to to ease the install burden.

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I'd already installed the JRE using the Oracle link and had successfully installed the new NAM, so I haven't tried using the the installer that you linked. Is there a distinction between Java and the Java Runtime Environment?

For whatever it's worth -- and I know the installer has been a particular pain and that a lot of work went into this -- I found the actual installer rather counterintuitive as well. For example, there's a folder that's installed by default under RRW that's labeled "0_Rail_Legacy," but there's no explanation of what this folder contains or whether it's needed for a player who doesn't use legacy rail pieces. Similarly, the Real Highway system has a folder marked "a_Legacy_Support" that I was going to leave unchecked, but then the description said that contains mandatory files. I also noticed that if you check the parent folder for "One Way Road Arrow Plugins" it installs all three versions of the plugin.

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    4 hours ago, BartonThinks said:

    I'd already installed the JRE using the Oracle link and had successfully installed the new NAM, so I haven't tried using the the installer that you linked. Is there a distinction between Java and the Java Runtime Environment?

    For whatever it's worth -- and I know the installer has been a particular pain and that a lot of work went into this -- I found the actual installer rather counterintuitive as well. For example, there's a folder that's installed by default under RRW that's labeled "0_Rail_Legacy," but there's no explanation of what this folder contains or whether it's needed for a player who doesn't use legacy rail pieces. Similarly, the Real Highway system has a folder marked "a_Legacy_Support" that I was going to leave unchecked, but then the description said that contains mandatory files. I also noticed that if you check the parent folder for "One Way Road Arrow Plugins" it installs all three versions of the plugin.

    Java is a programming language, which requires the Java Virtual Machine (VM) to run.  Java Runtime Environment (JRE) is basically what a user who wants to run a Java program would need to install, which includes the VM and everything necessary to run such programs.  There's also the Java Development Kit (JDK), which includes the JRE, plus everything necessary to develop Java programs.

    I'll note that we released a "NAM 37 Release Candidate" to the public back in April--the intention of that release candidate was to let users play around with some of the new features, but also give us feedback to help us determine where the weak spots were before we made the official release, since this one contained some pretty drastic changes.  943 users downloaded it.  The only piece of critical feedback we received regarding the installer during that two-month Release Candidate period was from users philosophically opposed to Java, and the only difficulties reported with the installation procedure were from Mac users who were running the App Store version of the Aspyr port.

    "Legacy" checkboxes have been around since well before our installer change--in fact, they've been around since NAM 22, over 12 years ago, and there were some in NAM 36.  Generally speaking, if it's a checked-by-default box, you've used previous NAM versions, and are not 100% sure just what you've used previously, it is safest just to install them.  Without them, older content you've built may end up breaking.  Unchecking them should really only be considered if you've never used the NAM (or have no intent of playing any old cities/regions that may have used previous NAM versions), or you're a hardcore NAM power user who intimately understands the structure of the mod.

    The One-Way Road Arrow Plugins shouldn't be all able to be installed at once, though they're not entirely mutually exclusive of one another, and the end result of any accident there is harmless.

    -Tarkus

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    3 hours ago, Tarkus said:

    943 users downloaded it.  The only piece of critical feedback we received regarding the installer during that two-month Release Candidate period was from users philosophically opposed to Java, and the only difficulties reported with the installation procedure were from Mac users who were running the App Store version of the Aspyr port.

    The difficulty isn't the Java itself, but that the link in the NAM's description makes you register an Oracle account in order to download it. Maybe Eggman's link would be a better one to include in the description, since it doesn't require making an Oracle account? I don't know if there's a difference between the two downloads.

    Personally, after following the Oracle link and being prompted to make an account I googled it and downloaded it (at least afaik it was the right download) from cnet instead. The Java installation was painless and the NAM installation went smoothly.

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    I'd rather have to register with Oracle than download from cnet. Just personal opinion, but i've had one too many malware events happen from downloads from there.

    *just noticed the link I posted was already listed above, sorry.


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    7 hours ago, Jasoncw said:

    The difficulty isn't the Java itself, but that the link in the NAM's description makes you register an Oracle account in order to download it. Maybe Eggman's link would be a better one to include in the description, since it doesn't require making an Oracle account? I don't know if there's a difference between the two downloads.

    The link that was there was to an earlier JRE--I had linked that as a precaution due to the age of the installer (it was originally designed about 10 years ago!), but if it's playing nice with the latest one Oracle offers without hassle (and they've become really hardcore about hassle with Java recently--I'm surprised they decided to go that route with the older JRE and not just the JDK), then there's no reason not to use eggman121's link.  I've gone ahead and updated all the descriptions (STEX, LEX, and ModDB) to point to it instead.  We'll have to wait until NAM 38 to fix the links in the enclosed documentation (and yes, we're hoping for a much shorter turnaround on NAM 38--this 3-year dev cycle nearly killed us).

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    To install java headless in linux

    sudo apt install openjdk-11-jdk

    Thats all

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    1 hour ago, rocker289 said:

    install openjdk

    Isn't the JDK (Java Development Kit) a bit of overkill for non-developers?


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    Thanks for updates! Is time for.... ENJOY!!!! *:thumb:


    I loves SimCity 4 forever! *:thumb:

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    How about my plan to promote NAM 37? Click the button on the right of the header for original reply.

    On 13/6/2020 at 10:01 AM, chfzdn said:

    Regarding the Simtropolis channel, how about if we collaborate with top K-Pop artists? I'm not K-Pop guy though but in my country (and in the world in general), K-Pop is unsurprisingly popular. Every K-Pop artist do or talk something, it'll be trending, literally. I know this mayn't a good idea but we should take this advantage to ourselves while keeping our community values. Maybe, we can create few videos with lots of views. I mean, millions to tens of millions views. That's huge engagement and Adsense for us. How about if we launch NAM 37 (or NAM 38) with them? NAM will be getting another media coverage aside from a game magazine (it's Kotaku but the way).

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    What do you think? Is it realistic?

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    Me di por vencido, no puedo hacer que el NAM 37 funcione, lo instalo siguiendo todos los pasos, y cada vez que entro en una ciudad o intento crear una nueva, la patanlla se oscurece y sale el juego, mi juego es compactible es una versión GOG, completamente actualizada, no tengo problemas de compactación de la tarjeta Ram, he realizado toda la desinstalación del antiguo NAM que tenía y la limpieza de los archivos que podrían crear conflictos, he realizado la instalación 5 veces, No sé qué hacer, tendré que volver a NAM 36.


    -Cori edit. Here's a Google Translation:

    I gave up, I can't get the NAM 37 to work, I install it by following all the steps, and every time I enter a city or try to create a new one, the patanlla darkens and the game comes out, my game is compactible it's a GOG version, completely updated, I have no ram compaction problems, I have done all the uninstallation of the old NAM that I had and the cleaning of the files that could create conflicts, I have done the installation 5 times, I do not know what to do, I will have have to go back to NAM 36.


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    Been reading into the legal guff from Oracle for Java, and from what I've seen they're happy for someone to include the installer for either the JRE or JDK along with their own software so it could be included in the package for the NAM. If nothing else they probably wouldn't mind us keeping a copy here to go along with the NAM.

    https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/runtime-141403.html

    Anyone with some official weight here want to create a 'Simtropolis' account with them?

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    4 hours ago, pedroac20c said:

    I gave up, I can't get the NAM 37 to work, I install it by following all the steps, and every time I enter a city or try to create a new one, the patanlla darkens and the game comes out, my game is compactible it's a GOG version, completely updated, I have no ram compaction problems, I have done all the uninstallation of the old NAM that I had and the cleaning of the files that could create conflicts, I have done the installation 5 times, I do not know what to do, I will have have to go back to NAM 36.

    As I noted in my reply on the SC4D LEX comments, it sounds like you're experiencing what is often called a "crash to desktop", or "CTD".  NAM 37 requires that users have patched their copy of SimCity 4 to be "Large Address Aware", by running the NTCore 4GB Patch, which is included in the download package (4gb_patch.exe).  That patch allows the game to access 4GB RAM instead of just 2GB, and with the expansion to the NAM Controller with this new version, it is required.  This is noted in the documentation (0-read-first-nam37.html) and in the first post on this thread.

    To give your game the patch, open up the 4gb_patch.exe file, point it to SimCity 4.exe (it'll be in the Apps folder of the install directory), and you should then be good to go. Typical install directories, for reference: Disc (C:\Program Files (x86)\Maxis\SimCity 4 Deluxe\Apps), GOG (C:\GOG Games\SimCity 4 Deluxe\Apps), and Steam (C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\Common\SimCity 4 Deluxe\Apps).

     

    2 hours ago, Whte_rbt said:

    Been reading into the legal guff from Oracle for Java, and from what I've seen they're happy for someone to include the installer for either the JRE or JDK along with their own software so it could be included in the package for the NAM. If nothing else they probably wouldn't mind us keeping a copy here to go along with the NAM.

    https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/runtime-141403.html

    Anyone with some official weight here want to create a 'Simtropolis' account with them?

    The title on that particular page says "Java SE 6", so it's not up to date.  Apparently, the newest JREs Oracle has distributed date back to Java SE 8 (Java itself is on Version 14 presently), and that page suggests you need to have purchased the proper license as an independent software vendor (ISV) in order to redistribute.  Oracle/Java have since been encouraging a different method for handling things, involving using the "jlink" tool to bundle things in, but that would require recompiling a 10-year-old piece of software with a newer version of Java, and doing it on every single OS it is intended to be run on.  There's also the fact that there are other utilities in the NAM package (the Controller Compiler and the Traffic Simulator Configuration Tool) which are also older Java-based apps.  (I'll note . . . NAM 32 through NAM 36 ran the Controller Compiler as part of their installation process, so the Java tie-in with the NAM has actually been around for a long time.)

    I did, however, find AdoptOpenJDK, which is tied in with the OpenJDK project that @rocker289 mentioned, and provides newer JREs.  OpenJDK isn't subject to all of Oracle's new licensing hassle (it's under GPL), and it appears they are indeed redistributable.

    I've also attached a patch for an issue with the Road x Road Diagonal x Diagonal intersections to the initial post.

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    Oh well, so much for the official route.

    Does/will it work with OpenJDK software currently or will this require more tweaking?

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    OpenJDK does offer builds back to Java 8--the Java I'm using on my desktop right now is their Java 8 JDK, in fact.

    -Tarkus

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    I ran the 4GB patch, and installed te NAM. Everything works pefect. Thank You,

    PS. People just download the java and verything will be ok.

    See you around,

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    On 7/5/2020 at 1:38 AM, chfzdn said:

    E o meu plano de promover o NAM 37? Clique no botão à direita do cabeçalho para obter a resposta original.

    O que você acha? Isso é realista?

    Obrigado.

    concordo plenamente com a ideia ! pricipalmente pra falar sobre mods e dicas nos jogos vai esclarecer muitas coisas ...

    -Cori edit: Here's the Google translation:

    I fully agree with the idea! mainly to talk about mods and tips in games will clarify many things ...


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    I run SimCity 4 and NAM 37 plugin. But, when loading city tile, it's CTD.

    Fyi, i use old laptop with 2gb ram & 1gb plugin (including NAM 37)

    So, any solutions ?

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    1 hour ago, can354dra said:

    Fyi, i use old laptop with 2gb ram & 1gb plugin (including NAM 37)

    If I understand it correctly, the updated RAM requirements come from the expansion in RUL2 code mostly. Therefore if you were to run the Controller Compiler and make a more compact controller (which contains all the RUL code), it should give you some breathing space. This is going to be especially true of anyone not using RHW, since that's where most of this increase comes from. If you are a RHW user, there isn't really much you can do though, that's sort of the cost of having greatly improved stability.

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    9 hours ago, rsc204 said:

    If I understand it correctly, the updated RAM requirements come from the expansion in RUL2 code mostly. Therefore if you were to run the Controller Compiler and make a more compact controller (which contains all the RUL code), it should give you some breathing space. This is going to be especially true of anyone not using RHW, since that's where most of this increase comes from. If you are a RHW user, there isn't really much you can do though, that's sort of the cost of having greatly improved stability.

    Thanks.

    I have patched SimCity 4.exe with 4gb patch and problem solved.

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    i'm interested in real expressway feature. can anyone explain ?

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    Hey team!  Thanks for working so hard on this.  I was able to get it installed and working fine.  One complaint though, the Maxis Legacy Rail being removed... Where is this plugin to revert back to the legacy rail?  The RRW rail looks great, but it cannot seem to be built up large slopes.  I have many cities where I have rail sloping up the mountainside and I cannot seem to redraw these sections of track using the RRW plugin.  Am I missing something and there is a way to do it?  If not, I will need to download the Legacy Rail support.  Please help!

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    8 minutes ago, FireSka said:

    Hey team!  Thanks for working so hard on this.  I was able to get it installed and working fine.  One complaint though, the Maxis Legacy Rail being removed... Where is this plugin to revert back to the legacy rail?  The RRW rail looks great, but it cannot seem to be built up large slopes.  I have many cities where I have rail sloping up the mountainside and I cannot seem to redraw these sections of track using the RRW plugin.  Am I missing something and there is a way to do it?  If not, I will need to download the Legacy Rail support.  Please help!

    As my civic duty I will help. Attached is the slope parameters you need to Un Check. for you to use the RRW with another slope Mod. They come under the name of C_RealRailway_Tunnel which in turn is the Tunnel and Slope Parameters.

    Delete the current Network Addon Mod folder and uncheck the folder icon with the given name, (C_RealRailway_Tunnel)

    Please reply back on any issues that arise to this matter.

    As for the Legacy plugin. That still needs to be assembled at this stage.

    -eggman121 (NAM Team Member)

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