BadPeanut: Road Modding [WIP] first look for a new bridge (SHB)

[Bad Peanut 826]

Hey guys! so with the hint of a road modding tool in the next DLC arriving, and presuming it's something like Network Extensions let's discuss what roads would be cool to add!
 

I've looked at the source code of Network Extensions and I've looked at their textures etc so I want to make a start at creating textures for roads. for that i need suggestions! 

Rules: 

1. Use https://streetmix.net/new to visualise your road. I won't even consider ones that are just some random description
2. For roads you want to zone on: use either 16m wide roads or 32m wide roads as those are the two widths that work with zoning.
3. For highways you can use any width
4. lanes for cars, trams, buses etc should be 3m in width.
5. parking should be 2m wide
6. sidewalks should be at least 2m wide (maybe 1.5m at the smallest) and this is for either side of the road, so at least 4m of sidewalk altogether!
7. try and keep in mind that it's not about creating new types of prefabs like MOM, it's for reskinning like we do with Network Skins!

Here's some examples of Vanilla Roads visualised in StreetMix

a 16m Wide Basic Road:

And a 32m Wide Medium Road

 

You can click on the above links to be taken to a template in streetmix.

Give me inspiration!

[Luca568 4]

My idea for Trams .

• 16m Road=https://streetmix.net/-/573761

 

• 32m Road=https://streetmix.net/-/573765

[mikamaty 47]

First suggestion:  2x4 car plus turning lanes plus light rail. If its possible, lane for both light rail and bus

 

https://streetmix.net/-/574056

 

[mikamaty 47]

2nd suggestion: 2x1 road plus tram and bus lane

 

https://streetmix.net/-/573768

 

 

 

[mikamaty 47]

And the 3rd one

one-way for cars, tram and bus lanes in both directions as well as bike lanes

https://streetmix.net/-/573778

 

 

[mikamaty 47]

And the last one for today:

Bike path plus Light rail track (perhaps also for BRT) plus 2x1 road

https://streetmix.net/-/574059

 

I have more ideas, but not the time for sharing them atm. But they are not as useful as these I think  haha.

 

 

[mikamaty 47]

By the way, if anyone is interested in a road with metro (MOM) tracks, this website is a great website to streetmix:

https://usdm.upc.gov.ae/USDM/

It is made by the government of Abu Dhabi

[schokoladeneis 1 193]

This street layout would be nice. In the center there're shared tram and car lines. Then there're parking lanes which get removed for turning lanes, bike racks or station shelters if necessary. The bikelanes are protected by obstacles to prevent dooring accidents and wild parking. I hope this would be possibe because right now there is a lack of streets combining tramlines, bikelanes and/or trees in cities skylines.
 

[alborzka 66]

10 hours ago, Bad Peanut said:

lanes for cars, trams, buses etc should be 3m in width.

There's quite a few places where it's less than 3m wide for cars though, mainly for smaller roads and places where they want cars to slow down.

[alborzka 66]

Having said that, this is one very basic idea I had for a 32m road (trams and buses share the same lanes, and medians without bus stops are just pavement/grass/trees):

https://streetmix.net/AlborzRezapoor/9/wbrccrtu

 

[Ocram's Razr 964]

Here is my idea for a 32m wide suburban street:

 

The center part is just like a small street but it has a huge green space (like an extension to the front yards of the houses) while maintaining the small sidewalk because this is a low density neighborhood. This road can then be upgraded to a higher capacity when the time comes to allow more traffic (such as when upgrading density along the road) without bulldozing what's along it.

[Bad Peanut 826]

3 hours ago, alborzka said:

There's quite a few places where it's less than 3m wide for cars though, mainly for smaller roads and places where they want cars to slow down.

Not in game though.  Lanes are always 3m wide otherwise you'll get traffic colliding with each other

[Bad Peanut 826]

7 hours ago, mikamaty said:

First suggestion:  2x2 car plus turning lanes plus light rail. If its possible, lane for both light rail and bus

 

https://streetmix.net/-/573769

Turning lanes don't exist in game so i take it you just want 3 lanes?

[Bad Peanut 826]

6 hours ago, mikamaty said:

And the last one for today:

Bike path next to Light rail track (perhaps also for BRT) next to 2x1 road

https://streetmix.net/-/573785

 

I have more ideas, but not the time for sharing them atm. But they are not as useful as these I think  haha.

 

 when it comes to these sorts of roads i think it will look weird where it forms a junction. Imagine a normal medium road with bike lanes connecting to this. The bikes would have to cross in front of traffic to keep going. Same with the cars... great idea but not practical

 

also you really need to keep it between 32m wide overall. otherwise we will get weird zoning like the NEXT 8m wide roads and I wouldn't do any road like that

[Bad Peanut 826]

5 hours ago, schokoladeneis 1 said:

This street layout would be nice. In the center there're shared tram and car lines. Then there're parking lanes which get removed for turning lanes, bike racks or station shelters if necessary. The bikelanes are protected by obstacles to prevent dooring accidents and wild parking. I hope this would be possibe because right now there is a lack of streets combining tramlines, bikelanes and/or trees in cities skylines.
 

Can you please re read my post and update your idea with correct widths. Thanks

[Bad Peanut 826]

8 hours ago, mikamaty said:

And the 3rd one

one-way for cars, tram and bus lanes in both directions as well as bike lanes

https://streetmix.net/-/573778

 

 

I dunno if something like this would work, mainly thinking about the bus lanes. In the AD and MT bus lanes are only bus preferred, cars can use them if necessary to turn off, but they usually avoid them. If you had it set out like this I would imagine cars would use the bus lane going in the opposite direction of the car lane... if the bus/tram lanes were tram only I reckon it would work though

[Bad Peanut 826]

10 hours ago, mikamaty said:

First suggestion:  2x2 car plus turning lanes plus light rail. If its possible, lane for both light rail and bus

 

https://streetmix.net/-/573769

this is also too wide, come on dude 32m is the max width (unless you want like super wide ones but you'd have to add another 16m to it to do that - and that's if we can even have wider roads in game (judging on that New Roads for NExt project at least it can be modded) You need to think of how it will fit in the zoning cells. You need to add 8m on either side each time you make a road bigger otherwise you'll get misaligned zoning at the junctions. 

[FilipposRoads 9]

Here are my suggestions: 

 

4 lane simple streetcar road

Large 6 lane streetcar road

Simple 2 lane + divided biking lanes

[schokoladeneis 1 193]

14 hours ago, Bad Peanut said:

Can you please re read my post and update your idea with correct widths. Thanks

Obviously I sometimes don't pay enough attention.

here is an update:

[mikamaty 47]

@Bad Peanut I updated the 36m roads to 48m. Actually, I think 48m is fine. Where I live, there are wide roads which are as wide as 48m in-game.

 

[Bad Peanut 826]

8 hours ago, mikamaty said:

@Bad Peanut I updated the 36m roads to 48m. Actually, I think 48m is fine. Where I live, there are wide roads which are as wide as 48m in-game.

 

Bare in mind though that they're less than ideal in CS though. Maybe they'll be possible with the tool but best to assume not plus i probably wouldn't make it knowing most people would prefer 32m to fit with the rest of the games stuff

[Bad Peanut 826]

https://streetmix.net/-/574432

 

Let me know if you like it or not!

[Bad Peanut 826]

https://streetmix.net/-/574435

[alborzka 66]

57 minutes ago, Bad Peanut said:

https://streetmix.net/-/574432

 

Let me know if you like it or not!

For this one specifically, can you please change the order of the bikes and parking -- ideally, bikes should be protected by parked cars (rather than other way around), as their movement in/out of parking spots across the bike lane would pose a danger to cyclists

[Bad Peanut 826]

https://streetmix.net/-/574466

with https://streetmix.net/-/574466 as the asymmetric version

[mikamaty 47]

I like all 4 XD

 

What @alborzka says is right, but in my hometown it is often the way you made it.

[PGPK 0]

Of course the basic red bus lane road, 2-way, single road, has no bike lanes, which I find odd. Can you please make a bus lane with bike lanes too. Thanks. 

[Bad Peanut 826]

6 minutes ago, PGPK said:

Of course the basic red bus lane road, 2-way, single road, has no bike lanes, which I find odd. Can you please make a bus lane with bike lanes too. Thanks. 

As long as you realise they're no true bus lanes in vanilla CS so i doubt any road tool will either.  There's bus priority from AD that still allows cars if necessary, so i guess we might get that but maybe only on larger medium roads

[schokoladeneis 1 193]

I like your roads @Bad Peanut because they're realistic and often found in cities around the world. They would be a nice addition to the game.
On the other hand they are pretty dangerous for cyclist and i hope all real life examples will be replaced in the next years.

[alborzka 66]

Also, I forgot to mention, 1m width for a bike lane is way too small --- absolute bare minimum width should be 1.4m, and ideally over 1.8m, this is from guidelines in Canada and Europe. Still, glad you're focusing on bike infra!