warning Microsoft continues 'bullish' Windows 10 upgrade tactics

[Sabretooth78 808]

On 5/27/2016 at 8:24 PM, KillrChicken said:

I plan to stick with Windows 7 even after it is dead because I despise windows 8.x and 10 with a passion. Micro$courage can shove their life cycle policy up the lips they never kiss with.

I don't even really consider myself a user, I only run it in a VM to run a couple of games that just don't run well with Wine.  For that reason, and because I don't intend on ever purchasing any Windows-specific software (games or otherwise) for home use, I would suspect I will cling to that Windows 7 license until VM software just won't run it any more (I had previously said that of XP, but alas the memory addressing limitations which now under 7 are forever moot for my needs).  A long time off, I would imagine.

On 5/27/2016 at 9:53 PM, rivit said:

of course (Android)Google, Facebook and Apple, phone producers, banks, insurers, pharmaceuticals, medicos and governments never do the sort of things that get up one's nose.

the world is "adapt or die" and MS is late to the current party...

True, and Microsoft has been behind the 8-ball on most trends for the past 15 years or so now.

As for the others, I do see a lot of old (circa 1990s) Microsoft in Apple's policies today.  Google may be a little more difficult to elude, but Facebook is easy to just ignore; at least for me.  I have virtually nothing identifying up and generally only use it if some business has some offer whereby following them gets you a coupon or something.  Anybody I want to connect with, I just text or actually talk to them.  Bizarre concept, and have I mentioned that I'm not too far removed in age from the platform's primary target demographic...

[timmie 988]

I don't really understand the hate. I have a Mac, and Windows 10 works like a charm. On my Mac.

[Spamoidutout 124]

I like it how when you say "I do not want windows 10 and their methods are ont acceptable" on some sites you get a mob of people answering "but it's free... and it's ok".

Well first they don't understand that it's actually not free. It is an application selling platform. Win10 is there to make you buy apps through its store.

And to do so, you'll get ads in the start menu. You already have some, and (it made me laugh a lot) one of the news I read about the firt big update windows 10 will have will double the number of said ads. Enjoy your ads, guys !!

Win10 is ok ? I personnaly find it ok looking, but ergonomy is a mess. My son got a laptop for his birthday this year, well it's not the most stable OS I've ever seen.

Compatibility with existing software... well I've tried it last year (had a new empty HDD, I wanted to see what was what). I still play a lot of old games. Most of them on discs... and well... the fact that Micro$ decided not to implement the safedisc and securom drivers is a huge problem (at least on Win7 you can block the updates that removed them).. And the securom problem is not even the only one. Some games can still be run with nocd patches... but some are hard to find, some won't actually work at all, some nocd will prevent you from using official patches that you should add... and I like the fact that you now have to RELY on pirated stuff to play games you ACTUALLY PAID FOR.

I also like the fact that they have forced some people to block the security updates to avoid Win10... very pro, very very pro.

 

Instead fo blocking updates, just install "Never10". It blocks everything Win10 related and lets you update your pc normally.

 

Last thing : Moose will like what I'll say there. Thanks to the annoying way Micro$ wants to push win10, my dad now wants to switch to ubuntu !!

 

[Whte_rbt 1,431]

@Spamoidutout: Tell your Dad to make the move. I'm currently running Ubuntu 16.04 on my laptop as I'm still learning my way round, and don't want to have to redo my main tower at this stage. The next machine i get however will have Ubuntu as the main system. I'm done with handing Micro$ucks money. Tell your old man to keep the Windows Product Key from his last machine in case he ever needs to do a legitimate Dual Boot or Virtual Environment.

[Spamoidutout 124]

I've used Ubuntu a few years ago, it's pretty nice.

It's not harder to install than windows actually, and for any average user only needing to use internet, to manage pictures, to listen to music... everything is there.

Only negative for now is gaming, but there is more and more choice (and you can use some older games too).

[Sabretooth78 808]

1 hour ago, Spamoidutout said:

I like it how when you say "I do not want windows 10 and their methods are ont acceptable" on some sites you get a mob of people answering "but it's free... and it's ok".

Well first they don't understand that it's actually not free. It is an application selling platform. Win10 is there to make you buy apps through its store.

This isn't something just isolated to the Micro$oft PC environment, however.  You'll see the same phenomenon among Mac fanboys as well.  It's really the same "upgrade whether you need it or not because it's the newest and what's old is junk" mentality that frankly pervades our culture in much deeper ways than just technology.  Tell someone there you're not upgrading to whatever neutered down crapware that Jony Ive pumps out and you'll be running away from a lynch mob.  Basically the same thing.

These people don't get the concept that perhaps one's productivity or goals are more suited to an older OS.  For instance, I'm moving forward on building a gaming rig for flight simming (and that's probably all it'll be used for, not even internet aside from the required connectivity - although SC4 might still find its way on ).  It's going to have Win 7 Pro 64, and that's all it's ever going to have.  The game was last updated in 2006, technically predating Win 7 (it actually came out timed with Vista partly to showcase the latter's graphics capabilities; we see how well that worked), but my and others' experience tends to show that particular OS config is arguably the best one for running it.  As an otherwise permanently former Micro$lave, I don't buy new games in general (only 3rd party add-ons to them), much less new Windows software, so why should I upgrade to Windows NSA?  Where's the logic in that?

[Whte_rbt 1,431]

The linux gaming thing is coming on leaps and bounds. I've managed to get Tiger 12 mostly running (just can't get it to see the save directory yet) on the GF's laptop in about twenty minutes without using Play-On-Linux. I've got an issue running SC4 under ubuntu on my laptop but I'm determined to at least get the game loaded before I go begging Nonny for help.

[Ocram's Razr 964]

10 is better than 8 so I upgraded my surface

I regret upgrading my desktop

[Cool_Z 1,547]

16 hours ago, OcramsRzr said:

10 is better than 8 so I upgraded my surface

I regret upgrading my desktop

That's the problem. Win 8 or 10 are tablet or tactile systems.

For a laptop or desktop machine, 7 is still better (Im' talking about the ease of use, not the inside mechanics).

[Ocram's Razr 964]

10 is only slightly harder to use on a desktop than 7 and is much better than 8

 

Windows 10 is the easiest desktop OS system to use that has come out this decade. Windows 10 is better than anything Apple, Google, or Linux came out with for desktop and has the benefit of one size fits all.

[rsc204 21,866]

24 minutes ago, OcramsRzr said:

10 is only slightly harder to use on a desktop than 7 and is much better than 8

Buy our new 2015 model razors, they're only slightly more likely to cut your face than our brilliant 2007 model. But don't worry, because this is a huge improvement over the terrible 2012 models everyone hated.

[QuantumChicken 89]

On 6/16/2016 at 3:01 PM, rsc204 said:

Buy our new 2015 model razors, they're only slightly more likely to cut your face than our brilliant 2007 model. But don't worry, because this is a huge improvement over the terrible 2012 models everyone hated.

Lol! Nice one!

[Odainsaker 2,137]

I thought it was humorous that AskWoody runs a "Microsoft Patch Defense Condition Level" (MS-DEFCON) as Microsoft updates are rolled out.  With the latest batch of updates this Tuesday, they are at "MS-DEFCON 2," as one of the security updates breaks certain Group Policies setups, with the wacky effect of breaking networks and even cutting off networked printers.  In truth, this is not really so humorous, as a previous Microsoft "cumulative security update" targeted for Internet Explorer had deeply buried in it Windows 10 nagware.  That's not a security update, that's a Trojan, and it forced aware users into the dilemma of either accepting the obfuscated nagware or foregoing all the other real security fixes in the patch.  Microsoft's "Patch Tuesdays" have turned into "Productivity Killed Days" as we have to waste hours screening each new patch or risk having all our networked printers severed or even seeing all our computers suddenly having their operating systems overridden and stealthily converted into Windows 10.  Now you can't even trust the close window "x" button on your own desktop, for it could be a permission button in malicious disguise.

And we used to think Bill Gates was The Monster...this Satya Nadella would have us all killed by Skynet if we don't upgrade today!

 

[FlyHigh 181]

I'm multi-platform. I've been using my Mac (OS 10.6.8 - Snow Leopard, before all the colour bull$%&^! from Tim Coock) as a main machine for about 5 years now without any trouble. I use Windows 7 (stripped from the graphic glitter) for gaming after Microsoft removed the support for WinXP.

In Windows 7 I have permanently hidden 2 updates that I like to call "Windows Impairing Updates":

Windows Security Update  (KB3086255)   ---- blocks SafeDisk (I like to play older games I have on CDs)
Windows Security Update  (KB3035583)   ---- Forces Windows 10 spam boxes

I've also installed a program called Spybot Anti-Beacon which is supposed to block certain services that deliver metadata to Microsoft. No reason to complain as of yet.

As you probably have guessed, my computers are not high-end compliant. I get by just fine though

[CorinaMarie 29,894]

There is some justice: Customer wins $10K judgment from Microsoft over unauthorized Windows 10 upgrade

[Cool_Z 1,547]

Yep I read about it... and I hope some others will sue. 

[Odainsaker 2,137]

BAM--the first shoe drops:  Microsoft confirms that subscriptions are coming for Windows 10 users!

PCWorld:  "Yes, Windows 10 subscriptions are coming, at least for enterprise"

$7 per month or $84 per year.  This will not yet apply to current consumer versions of Windows 10, but it is eventually expected within a few years, when the second shoe surely drops.  Watch out for those drive-by updates!

 

 

 

[rsc204 21,866]

23 minutes ago, Odainsaker said:

Watch out for those drive-by updates!

It's like watching a car hurtling across the central reservation at yours. You can only watch as it happens, you won't be able to avoid it, that is if Windows 10 is already installed. You have no choice but to go along with what MS decide to do or stop using Windows 10 and find an alternative. Of course a monthly fee for Windows will be a boon to adoption of Linux for many users I reckon.

On ‎30‎/‎06‎/‎2016 at 6:29 PM, Cool_Z said:

Yep I read about it... and I hope some others will sue

Extenuating circumstances. Her PC is her business, she could prove losses in court as a result of MS's actions. They didn't even bother to send lawyers, the judgement was practically by default. If you have no case to prove financial loss, you will find yourself in a much more difficult position.

[QuantumChicken 89]

I am not using windows update whatsoever. I am behind a debian gateway (Untangle) and to me and many others who have used it, it remains fortified.

[Lunar Techie 4]

Windows 10 as of July 29, is no longer free to upgrade to. The free upgrade has ended. Just letting y'all know.

[Cyclone Boom 17,031]

Indeed, I wonder if this will signal the end of the mass marketing effort? Even though it will no longer be a free upgrade, any seasonal discounts wouldn't be surprising. But surely, at least users can't be tricked into handing over their credit card...

[Lunar Techie 4]

45 minutes ago, Cyclone Boom said:

Indeed, I wonder if this will signal the end of the mass marketing effort? Even though it will no longer be a free upgrade, any seasonal discounts wouldn't be surprising. But surely, at least users can't be tricked into handing over their credit card...

I wouldn't know, as I stopped using Windows a while ago.

Arch Linux + KDE Plasma user here.

[Odainsaker 2,137]

Now that the Windows 10 free upgrade push is over...

"Win7 and 8.1 to get cumulative updates – you no longer control your Win7 or 8.1 machine" - AskWoody

Come October, we will no longer be able to selectively weed out and hide undesirable patches, such as many did with the patches that blocked SimCity DRM discs from running or added telemetry snoopers and advertisement injectors, and the cumulative patches will be progressively retroactive as Microsoft slowly adds previous patches into an ultimately fully uniform, single bundle.  All those patches you may have blocked in the past may not be preventable any longer, and any new changes Microsoft chooses to impose will also not be identifiable, isolatable, or discreetly blockable without permanently blocking all future patches:  accept all or get nothing!  Cumulative patches for just security updates will be made alternatively available for manual download, but not necessarily easily accessible for common users.

Gee, it seems our machines are going to be slowly morphed into Windows 10 anyway!

 

[CorinaMarie 29,894]

@Odainsaker

Thanks for the heads up. I'll let my boss know and we'll see what it takes to block MS. Like add them to the virus list or something. Thank goodness all my personal comps are XP. MicroSloth seems to leave me alone.

[catty-cb 4,412]

It looks like I'm going over to a Linux OS or MAC computer a lot sooner than I'd anticipated 

[QuantumChicken 89]

I have been banned from the Micro$courage forums for calling them out on their nonsense. Lol, I guess I hurt someones' ego there.

[Cyclone Boom 17,031]

Quite honestly, this is disgraceful.

If this was a restaurant, it's like being given all courses at once, and being forced to eat them together. They don't go down well.

If patches like KB3086255 are bundled, this will be a tragic day for many SC4 players still using the disc version. There must also be thousands of other programs to be rendered unusable. Just think of organizations that use bespoke software, specially designed for Windows 7/8. These could be broken entirely, causing undue hassle and reduced productivity.

There is an element of 'move with the times' here. It's true that technology is constantly developing, and there is a train of thought to keep up with the pace. But again this needs to be the choice of the end user. If people want to stay on an older system, let them, and allow full control over what is installed. Merging elements of Windows 10 is not what users paid for. They have not considered (or are blatantly ignoring) the full implications for all users, and just expect the minority to move on and disregard everything. It ain't broke, so don't fix it. If the apparent reasons are valid, why has it taken this many years to introduce? The main reason is there for us all to see.

Fortunately you can disable updates entirely, to avoid being force fed, or tricked into this pre-packaged cocktail of malware. And if they disable you from disabling the updates, I'd rather reinstall Vista or XP than upgrade to Win 10 against my will.

I for one will now start looking for an alternative non-Windows system, which gives back full control. Linux does exactly this, is constantly developing, and even with the learning curve, is looking all the more inviting. Nonny saw this coming and is right.

As a community, we need to come together to inform people how this may impact SC4, and possible ways forward.

[catty-cb 4,412]

2 hours ago, Cyclone Boom said:

....I'd rather reinstall Vista or XP than upgrade to Win 10 against my will.

I for one will now start looking for an alternative non-Windows system, which gives back full control. Linux does exactly this, is constantly developing, and even with the learning curve, is looking all the more inviting. Nonny saw this coming and is right.

As a community, we need to come together to inform people how this may impact SC4, and possible ways forward.

That's a thought I've still got my Windows XP Pro disks somewhere, the irritating thing is I like Windows 7 and would happily stay using it, but there is not much point buying anti-virus software etc is if I'm going be effectively handing over my computer and everything that's on it over to Microsoft.

I used to run an old computer and have the latest Linux distro on it, the one I always came back to using was Linux Mint

http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2014/07/linux-mint-17-cinnamon-ultimate-windows.html

-catty

[NMUSpidey 3,956]

I said it before, and I'll say it again: disabling their updates was the single best, performance-enhancing thing I did with my machine.  It makes me sad to think that my next computer is going to be saddled with this, unless rash measures are taken (Linux?) and Windows is done away with.

[NCGAIO 562]

Well ... XP-pro could still be as a revolt  option but Windows Vista was the beginning of all this impositive behavior that Microsoft  conserved even today to push down the throats of consumers all his desires

Example: for anyone who fried their brain by UAC problems read below a small stretch that well illustrate this behavior ...

Quote

David Cross, a product unit manager at Microsoft  designing User Account Control (UAC)

"The reason we put UAC into the (Vista) platform was to annoy users--I'm serious," said Cross, speaking at the RSA Conference here Thursday. "Most users had administrator privileges on previous Windows systems and most applications needed administrator privileges to install or run."

.......  "We needed to change the ecosystem,"

SOURCE: - Microsoft Vista feature designed to annoy users

In addition to all the other "little problems" as profound change in H.A.L. for the devices, of course!

But also has this other pearl

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"It's a myth that users click 'yes,' 'yes,' 'yes,' 'yes,'" said Cross. "Seven percent of all prompts are canceled. Users are not just saying 'yes.'"

So comes the little questions basic " Why in most of the time today users  must click to delete options instead of being required to click to accept them before saying" yes to continue? "Or having to navigate through several menus to delete what  do not want?

It certainly was to improve the user experience with no other interest

If it was so in 2008 so there is nothing new if remains the same thing even  today...  MInteL is the devil, or not?