NAM General Support

[glitzy 0]

Hello!

I've probably read every readme in connection with this and I read a couple of pages back, googled, etc., but could not find an answer.

I recently got a new computer and installed every single thing I had on my previous one (all data lost), so I insstalled NAM as well. This problem occured on my previous pc as well, but then first I installed the Hamburg textures, then uninstalled, and reinstalled with the standard one (as I think it's the one at the ramps and crossings), but it didn't work.

Now I installed on a clean computer and Sim City 4 the NAM and made sure that I check standard euro instead of anything other, but still this occurs:

One part of the road has another texture than the other. And on my old computer it also happened, that I dragged a road from a crossing, and it became standard euro textured (although I had the Hamburg style!) for like 3 blocks, but all the others were Hamburg style (except at crossing and ramps).

I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing wrong. I would like to play with the standard euro textures now.

[MandelSoft 2,769]

This is completely normal behaviour. The textures on the Maxis highway interchange are still old textures which haven't been touched in a long while. The one on the intersection is designed that way. There are no bugs present

[Nielsen 10]

The NAM has its own version of Cleanitol built in. It's probably a newer version than yours; one way or another, the presence of two (probably different) versions of Cleanitol is probably causing confusion. I'd recommend uninstalling the version you installed; if you want to use Cleanitol for other programs, get the latest version from the LEX. I haven't heard of this problem before, so having two copies of the same version should be OK.

Also note that when the NAM installer runs, the Cleanitol window sometimes shows up behind everything else. Your problem may be as simple as that.

Ok, I tried uninstalling Cleanitol, which is the latest version from the LEX, and NAM 31.2. Then I installed NAM again but still no sign of Cleanitol during the installation. Finally, I installed an older version of Cleanitol, which I had stored on an external harddrive and used with good results before resetting my computer, but I still didn't see any Cleanitol operation during the NAM installation.

About Cleanitol running in the background, shouldn't it at least appear in the Windows task bar if it is being used by the NAM installation? Also, I seem to remember that Cleanitol requires some form of user prompt during the NAM installation before being able to complete itself. I may remember wrong but I'm a little puzzled about this.

[z1 566]

About Cleanitol running in the background, shouldn't it at least appear in the Windows task bar if it is being used by the NAM installation?

 

Yes.

 

Also, I seem to remember that Cleanitol requires some form of user prompt during the NAM installation before being able to complete itself.

 

That is correct.

 

I gather from your posts that the installer says it's going to run Cleanitol but then it apparently doesn't, and just finishes up the install.  Is that true?  I looked at the installer source code, and the installer specifically uses its own version of Cleanitol, regardless of what other version you may have installed.  So the only way for this to be happening is if Cleanitol is launched and then dies.  If you're not seeing any sign of it, that means it must be dying almost immediately.

 

How big is your Plugins file?  Try emptying your Plugins folder of everything except the NAM, run the NAM's uninstaller, and then do a clean install of the NAM.  I think that should work.  If it does, you can repeat this test, gradually adding more of your plugins into your Plugins folder until Cleanitol no longer runs on a clean install.  Then we can figure out what's going on.

 

Also, does Cleanitol make a folder for your installations, even though it appears not to run?  The folder would be in "SimCity 4\BSC_Cleanitol".  If such a folder exists, see if the file Cleanitol_result.html exists, and if so, what it contains.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

As a side note to this, because of my O/S decor, Cleanitol has never run on my system.  There is some problem I haven't been able to sort out, but it dies immediately, because there is no stuff in my SC4 folder.  I've now got it set up so it doesn't try to run.

[JessiLaurn 183]

Having a bit of trouble with the Tram-in-Avenue to Subway piece (31.2 version).  Namely, I can't find any means of connecting the non-tram side of it to a standard avenue; I suspect that there's a transition piece for this, but damned if I can find it.  Any thoughts?

[Indiana Joe 1,750]

I think you need to plop it over top of existing avenue rather than connect it after plopping.

[CaptCity 4,753]

If I'm thinking of the same piece, you should be able to drag the avenue from the non-Tram side. If not, perhaps there's something keeping the terrain from adjusting if not using it on a flat area.

[Nielsen 10]

I gather from your posts that the installer says it's going to run Cleanitol but then it apparently doesn't, and just finishes up the install.  Is that true?  I looked at the installer source code, and the installer specifically uses its own version of Cleanitol, regardless of what other version you may have installed.  So the only way for this to be happening is if Cleanitol is launched and then dies.  If you're not seeing any sign of it, that means it must be dying almost immediately.

 

How big is your Plugins file?  Try emptying your Plugins folder of everything except the NAM, run the NAM's uninstaller, and then do a clean install of the NAM.  I think that should work.  If it does, you can repeat this test, gradually adding more of your plugins into your Plugins folder until Cleanitol no longer runs on a clean install.  Then we can figure out what's going on.

 

Also, does Cleanitol make a folder for your installations, even though it appears not to run?  The folder would be in "SimCity 4\BSC_Cleanitol".  If such a folder exists, see if the file Cleanitol_result.html exists, and if so, what it contains.

 

Yes, that is true. Despite saying "Cleanitol will be run" the NAM installer does not seem to open Cleanitol. I don't receive the mandatory prompt for the Cleanitol operation nor do I see it in the task bar during the installation.

 

I have already installed NAM 32.1 several times now with an empty plugins folder. These times Cleanitol shouldn't really be needed but I still wonder why it did not open during the installation. I also tried adding just single mod to my plugins folder to see if that made a difference but it did not. This probably means that the problem is not related to my plugins.

 

Are you referring to Documents/SimCity 4/BSC_Cleanitol? If so, I do not even have that BSC... folder. Keep in mind that I do not currently have a separate install of Cleanitol. Should that particular folder still be there when only having NAM 32.1, which I understand includes Cleanitol, installed? 

[z1 566]

Are you referring to Documents/SimCity 4/BSC_Cleanitol?

 

Yes, although on Windows, that's "Documents\SimCity 4\BSC_Cleanitol".

 

If so, I do not even have that BSC... folder. Keep in mind that I do not currently have a separate install of Cleanitol. Should that particular folder still be there when only having NAM 32.1, which I understand includes Cleanitol, installed?

 

Yes; that's Cleanitol's main data folder.  The fact that it doesn't exist would seem to imply that Cleanitol has never been run successfully on your machine, either with the NAM or otherwise.  Is that the case?  Also, your use of slashes instead of backslashes in the pathname makes me wonder if you're running Windows.  Are you?  Cleanitol runs only on Windows.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

I am sure you realize that the wine windows program loader doesn't care about which way the slashes are.  I can't run cleanitol because I seem to be missing some support library.

[Nielsen 10]

Yes; that's Cleanitol's main data folder. The fact that it doesn't exist would seem to imply that Cleanitol has never been run successfully on your machine, either with the NAM or otherwise. Is that the case? Also, your use of slashes instead of backslashes in the pathname makes me wonder if you're running Windows. Are you? Cleanitol runs only on Windows.

I'm using Windows. Sorry about the confusion, the slashes were my mistake. Well, I had the Cleanitol program open when I did the stand-alone install but I did not use it for anything before uninstalling it again. So in that regard it has not been run and that's what I hoped NAM would do automatically.

[z1 566]

What version of Windows are you using?

[Nielsen 10]

What version of Windows are you using?

Vista 32 bit. As I said earlier, the NAM 32.1 installer did launch Cleanitol before I reset my computer to factory settings. The difference between then and now was that I had previously used Cleanitol with NAM 30 before upgrading to NAM 32.1. Back when I used NAM 30 I had to run Cleanitol manually and this makes me wonder if that folder is only being created when Cleanitol has been used to move files? So the reason why it worked back then may be because the folder already existed when I upgraded to NAM 32.1 This is just a wild guess.

[JessiLaurn 183]

I think you need to plop it over top of existing avenue rather than connect it after plopping.

 

An overdue thank-you, Joe.  It did indeed need to overlap a single row of tiles from an existing avenue to connect properly.

 

- Jess

[z1 566]

 Back when I used NAM 30 I had to run Cleanitol manually and this makes me wonder if that folder is only being created when Cleanitol has been used to move files?

 

No, the folder and appropriate subfolder are created whenever Cleanitol is run.

 

I'm out of ideas, so I suggest you visit the Cleanitol board for further resolution of your problem.

[pndragon 1]

Hi everyone, 

 

I just recently re-installed SimCity and updated my plugins to include the 31.2 version of NAM and was exited to hear that the slope mod was incorporated into NAM after seeing Haljackey's videos but I honestly just can't figure out where in the menu the mod is located at. I have tried using the monorail piece on an existing elevated terrain, plopped it next to my RHW 6S and dragged it out far off the higher elevation land to the lower elevation but its not doing anything. Anyone care to capture a screen shot of where the menu item for the slope mod is located in game with 31.2 installed please?

 

Thank you in advance.

[z1 566]

The reason you can't find the slope mod in the NAM is that it's not there.  There have been various discussions about including one, but so far that hasn't happened.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Please don't.  Slope mods are personal, and if you include one, you have to include them all.

[MandelSoft 2,769]

And that's exactly the reason why we haven't put one in the NAM

[pndragon 1]

Thank you all for your responses. Something wasn't seeming right but I just didn't know why I couldn't find the option. 

That being said, and I'll be playing devil's advocate here, there are other optional components in NAM that are, as you put it A Nonny Moose, personal; I don't see why a few of the better slope mods that the NAM team would approve wouldn't be able to be incorporated as optional installs in NAM. There are other optional components in NAM that you can only select one options that category, you could do the same with a slope mod.

 

I'm sure you guys have your reasons, including technical reasons which would probably go over my non-SC4 modding head. Just playing devils advocate but also genuinely asking as well because, as I'm sure others out there would agree, I would much rather trust your team's knowledge and expertise in whatever mods were vetted by you guys..

 

At any rate, thanks again!

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

All things being equal, inclusion of slope mods as options might work, but then there is a matter of getting an OK from each author.  It also means that the NAM will be even bigger than it is now, and it becomes a hosting problem as well.  Currently the download .zip file is 285.3 MB on my machine.  When unpacked and installed it is very much bigger.

[Haljackey 17,303]

As said above, slope mods are a personal choice and shouldn't be part of the NAM in my opinion.

 

These are the ones I use if you're wondering:

-Ennendi slope mod: https://www.sc4devotion.com/csxlex/lex_filedesc.php?lotGET=1512

-RHW slope mod:

-Bullet Train slope mod:

[tysonic 6]

Is there a better way to do this intersection?

I have a RHW 8C mainline that i want to connect to a RD4 Narrow, but i cant find a way to get RD4N over the 8c, just the standard RD's and Ave's.

 

This is what I have:

 

Before I tear it down to use the RD4N to RD transition pieces, is there a way to do the RD4N over 8C?

[Swordmaster 50]

All things being equal, inclusion of slope mods as options might work, but then there is a matter of getting an OK from each author.  It also means that the NAM will be even bigger than it is now, and it becomes a hosting problem as well.  Currently the download .zip file is 285.3 MB on my machine.  When unpacked and installed it is very much bigger.

A slope mod for all networks is exactly 4kb large.

Cheers

Willy

[Ganaram Inukshuk 906]

Please don't.  Slope mods are personal, and if you include one, you have to include them all.

And that's exactly the reason why we haven't put one in the NAM

 

The NAM, technically, already has a slope mod. Project Symphony has its own slope mod to make its tunnels work, but since it's directly based off of the original slope mod, it makes every other slope mod lose its functionality over MHW. Not to mention that the RHW network, for the longest time, has never had its own slope mod (have you ever seen Asteconn's workaround behind that?), so people have always had to go out and find one.

 

Because slope mods are so small (4000 bytes per slope mod, as mentioned) and the NAM is so big (over 200000000 bytes in the current release), adding every slope mod adds very little difference in size to the NAM, especially considering that there are only about three or four notable slope mods in existence: ESM, BTM, RHW, and BRF. And yes, optionality would still be an option. The NAM already includes stations, which are pretty small already, and are optional.

 

Because slope mods have a connection with tunnel heights and network construction costs per tile, I'm one of the advocates over their inclusion; it would finally make OWR and Avenue construction costs equal and there would be no cost advantage over using one over the other, plus it would make the PS tunnels work with, for example, ESM.

[APSMS 1,892]

Is there a better way to do this intersection?

I have a RHW 8C mainline that i want to connect to a RD4 Narrow, but i cant find a way to get RD4N over the 8c, just the standard RD's and Ave's.

 

This is what I have:

 

<snip>

 

Before I tear it down to use the RD4N to RD transition pieces, is there a way to do the RD4N over 8C?

 

There are NWM overpass designs in the pipeline, but the development schedule for release is currently unavailable to the public. I can safely say that it is extremely unlikely that it will be included in NAM 32 (around 99.99%). When released it will likely be in flex pieces and not the puzzle pieces you're currently using.

 

That being said, higher capacity (and an ARD-3 overpass) can be created by using the RHW to cross the (8C) highway; they can also be lower in height.

Also, what version of the NAM are you using?

[tysonic 6]

 

Is there a better way to do this intersection?

I have a RHW 8C mainline that i want to connect to a RD4 Narrow, but i cant find a way to get RD4N over the 8c, just the standard RD's and Ave's.

 

This is what I have:

 

<snip>

 

Before I tear it down to use the RD4N to RD transition pieces, is there a way to do the RD4N over 8C?

 

There are NWM overpass designs in the pipeline, but the development schedule for release is currently unavailable to the public. I can safely say that it is extremely unlikely that it will be included in NAM 32 (around 99.99%). When released it will likely be in flex pieces and not the puzzle pieces you're currently using.

 

That being said, higher capacity (and an ARD-3 overpass) can be created by using the RHW to cross the (8C) highway; they can also be lower in height.

Also, what version of the NAM are you using?

 

I'm using the current 31.2 version.

 

If i use the RHW to cross, can i still use the RD4N? Or am i looking at retro-fitting the entire section?

 

Any chance you could do a quick mockup of what you're thinking? When i was building this i don't remember finding any way to get RHW over RHW and get it to connect to RD (anything).

[Haljackey 17,303]

No overpass models currently exist for NWM.

 

However, you can use your RHW to overpass NWM networks. Here's an example with a Ave-6:

 

[tysonic 6]

Haljackey:

 

IC now what i need to do, thanks!

 

Is that a photo from your 'from scratch' series? If so, i'd like to know what part so i could go back and watch you build it.

 

Thanks for the help!