Ngon's creations gone from workshop

[Turjan 1,048]

9 minutes ago, Avanya said:

I contacted him hoping maybe it was just that he got sick of the comments and hoped maybe I could continue his work, but no luck. I guess I might have been the wrong person to ask that if I pissed him off.

Probably. He seemed not to like that much pressure, given his last post here:

Anyway, I hope he reconsiders.

[Turjan 1,048]

6 minutes ago, Roadman20 said:

So with the shakeup and my misplaced thought on where those assets were saved, I did take the time to fill the missing Gasometer spots with your fuel tanks.  Personally, do like the weathered look to Ngon's crisp, new textures.

Someone on the subreddit linked Skymods to get whatever you need of Ngon's stuff you're missing.

Thanks. I got my replacements.

[Jamonbread 222]

Thanks to all of you for brainstorming solutions haha. I am crossing my fingers steam being online for 20 seconds literally while I was reading the reddit post didnt wipe the assets. Someone posted to look for this folder number:  255710. Is there any common denominator I can filter out his assets to move to the local file? The problem is I can't move them all because some mods are in there and they sit in a separate local folder if I am correct. If I go through every one (sigh/fml) will I have to look at Turjans list above for each different name? 

Oh man this SUCKS! Some people treat modders like dirt or their personal slaves its so bizarre and now those idiots have driven one of the best away. Thats so sad. 

[Judazzz 1,936]

15 minutes ago, Turjan said:

L1com1de1x1.crp
L1com2de1x1.crp
L1com3de1x1.crp
L1com4de1x1.crp
L1com5de1x1.crp

Did he ever put light on those?

Dude, you're the best! Many, many thanks!
Not sure if they have lights, but those assets kick ass even without lights!

3 minutes ago, Jamonbread said:

Thanks to all of you for brainstorming solutions haha. I am crossing my fingers steam being online for 20 seconds literally while I was reading the reddit post didnt wipe the assets. Someone posted to look for this folder number:  255710. Is there any common denominator I can filter out his assets to move to the local file? The problem is I can't move them all because some mods are in there and they sit in a separate local folder if I am correct. If I go through every one (sigh/fml) will I have to look at Turjans list above for each different name? 

Oh man this SUCKS! Some people treat modders like dirt or their personal slaves its so bizarre and now those idiots have driven one of the best away. Thats so sad. 

I think your assets are fine as long as you don't start the game: as far as I know that's the moment un-subbed content is removed and newly subbed content is downloaded, not when you click the (un-)sub button in the Workshop.
I managed to salvage all his assets on my laptop, and I've had Steam running since I booted up my laptop.
 

Edit: I agree on the annoying entitlement and whiny or even outright repulsive attitude of some of the player base. I'm pretty sure most of them aren't doing it out of malicious intent, but it would certainly help if they realized that custom models or mods don't really grow on trees, but take lots of hard work to get them game-ready. It's fine if people post requests, but doing so after a marathon of a development process and without even leaving a little 'Thank you for your hard work', I can imagine the fun ends pretty quickly for some modders and modelers.

[jaredh 195]

 If you can't download this type of content and be protected from mass deletes (or a shutdown of the service) then the mod community is essentially compromised.  Is this thread suggesting Skylines doesn't let you DL this type of content for offline use?  (I don't play skylines)

[Jamonbread 222]

3 minutes ago, Judazzz said:

Dude, you're the best! Many, many thanks!
Not sure if they have lights, but those assets kick ass even without lights!

I think your assets are fine as long as you don't start the game: as far as I know that's the moment un-subbed content is removed and newly subbed content is downloaded.
I managed to salvage all his assets on my laptop, and I've had Steam running since I booted up my laptop.

Oh thats good news at least!

Im downloading the assets from skymods now anyways to prepare to go back online. Seems easier than going though the workshop folder but the list is still very helpful.

[Turjan 1,048]

1 minute ago, jaredh said:

 If you can't download this type of content and be protected from mass deletes (or a shutdown of the service) then the mod community is essentially compromised.  Is this thread suggesting Skylines doesn't let you DL this type of content for offline use?  (I don't play skylines)

No, you can always have the files locally. Most people like to get automatic updates though. Also, the local files are in C:\User, and I have an SSD, which means I prefer them in the Workshop folder (in my case on E:).

[Roadman20 601]

6 minutes ago, jaredh said:

 If you can't download this type of content and be protected from mass deletes (or a shutdown of the service) then the mod community is essentially compromised.  Is this thread suggesting Skylines doesn't let you DL this type of content for offline use?  (I don't play skylines)

You can always save a copy of the Workshop folder to prevent incidents like this... although this hasn't happened since the American eclectic homes deletion.  I wouldn't move all the Workshop content to my local files since I'm also using an SSD and can't store all of it on my main OS drive.

[Turjan 1,048]

46 minutes ago, Judazzz said:

As far as I'm aware those HVAC props aren't his ( Rooftop Hvac System A.crp most definitely isn't, not fully sure about the other one).

HVAC Shape2 prop .crp is actually Ngon's. I'll fix the post.

[Cyclone Boom 17,031]

Oh dear, this really is very selfish indeed.

Should an author delete their files, it is a big flaw in the Workshop for content to be removed from your game. This is not fair in the slightest -- you should be in control of all files on your PC. It would make a lot more sense if the content could no longer be subscribed / downloaded, and existing users wouldn't be affected.

An idea...

If you've played the game since this happened, maybe try restoring the folder.

On Windows, this might be possible using the "Previous Versions" or "File History" feature.

[Darf 1,439]

You can download what you need here: http://smods.ru/?s=Ngon. Never get how some modders can get annoyed. Just dont answer questions if you get annoyed by them.

[Judazzz 1,936]

Mmm... apparently all of Ngon's assets remain in place if you managed to back up the files to your local folder before starting the game. I was afraid I had to re-plop/grow all of his assets, for after verifying the game's local cache (to get rid of any Workshop traces) and making sure all his assets as local ones are activated, everything seems to still be where it should be.

[Turjan 1,048]

The system is not quite that fragile. I had actually started the game and had seen all the holes in the city. I closed it without saving. Then I came here, made the topic, sorted the files out, and now everything is back.

[boformer 3,169]

Very sad, I loved the swim club and the small commercial buildings.

Silly comments and random unexplainable bugs in my mods are one reason why I am taking a longer break.

[cmdp123789 710]

Can I ask you a question guys.. based on this.. is there a way to save the items we subscribe to? Like, is there a way to save them on your computer?

[gfvsims 169]

Damn! This is super sad news. He was one of the best.

EDIT: Is the skatepark also one of his?

[UrbanLegend 63]

You know what?  I'm not an IP lawyer, but once a user makes their content available, it shouldn't just disappear from everyone's computer if the owner throws a fit.  "Submissions become the property of the company" and all that.

[Turjan 1,048]

4 hours ago, gfv1974 said:

EDIT: Is the skatepark also one of his?

Yes, it is. It's also available on the Skymods site Darf linked.

[Ocram's Razr 964]

I'm glad that it is so easy to copy mods and that all the average or better mods are available to download in places other than the workshop. That way, creators can throw tissy fits and other creators can take over. In the case of actually improving an asset that was removed from the workshop, crediting the original modder is unnecessary.

[Darf 1,439]

1 hour ago, OcramsRzr said:

I'm glad that it is so easy to copy mods and that all the average or better mods are available to download in places other than the workshop. That way, creators can throw tissy fits and other creators can take over. In the case of actually improving an asset that was removed from the workshop, crediting the original modder is unnecessary.

Right... That's the other end of the argument. Sorry, but I don't agree at all. "Improving an asset" is quite easy, sticking an ilumination map in there or a lod in there is not hard, that might be just a few minutes work, but if the author doesn't give permission just create your own. Creating good and detailed assets is a ton of work, especially older buildings. For example I spend probably more than 80 hours on The Manhasset alone. People doing random stuff with assets or demanding stuff is just an insult to the creator.

[Judazzz 1,936]

9 hours ago, cmdp123789 said:

Can I ask you a question guys.. based on this.. is there a way to save the items we subscribe to? Like, is there a way to save them on your computer?

Just copy the contents of the entire C:SL Workshop to an external drive or some other location to back them up.
If you copy them to your local assets folder, you can use those assets in-game while bypassing the Workshop: only downside is that you won't receive updates, as the link with the Workshop has been severed.

[Roadman20 601]

I am compiling Ngon's stuff on my personal Dropbox account and have a link to the folder where I am storing them if they do not want to go thru Skymods.

Just PM me for the link.

EDIT: The Dropbox folder does not have his Dry Bulk or Gasometer assets.  I was unable to save them or download them off Skymods.

[Turjan 1,048]

3 hours ago, Roadman20 said:

EDIT: The Dropbox folder does not have his Dry Bulk or Gasometer assets.  I was unable to save them or download them off Skymods.

Hmm, the downloads from Skymods work for me. I just checked. The Gasometer has the filename Storage tank, mid.crp btw.

I can add those items to my own Dropbox, if there's any need for it.

[Ocram's Razr 964]

11 hours ago, Darf said:

Right... That's the other end of the argument. Sorry, but I don't agree at all. "Improving an asset" is quite easy, sticking an ilumination map in there or a lod in there is not hard, that might be just a few minutes work, but if the author doesn't give permission just create your own. Creating good and detailed assets is a ton of work, especially older buildings. For example I spend probably more than 80 hours on The Manhasset alone. People doing random stuff with assets or demanding stuff is just an insult to the creator.

It is a rare occurrence that only happened twice. I think ignoring the drama is better but thanks to your advice, I'm seriously considering on adding a good LOD and illumination map, possibly changing props and making two RICO settings and say "____ threw a pissy fit and ragequit, I will take over from here, offering support and listening to feedback because I have skin thicker than tissue paper."

[Darf 1,439]

10 minutes ago, OcramsRzr said:

It is a rare occurrence that only happened twice. I think ignoring the drama is better but thanks to your advice, I'm seriously considering on adding a good LOD and illumination map, possibly changing props and making two RICO settings and say "____ threw a pissy fit and ragequit, I will take over from here, offering support and listening to feedback because I have skin thicker than tissue paper."

Yet, you won´t have any new releases... Way to piss people off fast.

[Avanya 2,605]

1 hour ago, OcramsRzr said:

It is a rare occurrence that only happened twice. I think ignoring the drama is better but thanks to your advice, I'm seriously considering on adding a good LOD and illumination map, possibly changing props and making two RICO settings and say "____ threw a pissy fit and ragequit, I will take over from here, offering support and listening to feedback because I have skin thicker than tissue paper."

All that will do is help create a hostile community - What we want is the opposite, where ppl remember to appreciate the work modders do. While I think Ngon made a very douchy move, there's no need to make it worse. A bunch of ppl have the assets and can share them privately, and for some of his things there are alternatives on the workshop. He had some great stuff for sure and this highlights an issue with the workshop updating, but it really isn't worth starting fights like this. If anything I suggest the same as Darf - Create your own (perhaps similar) assets. We can fill out the missing areas.  

Plus it would be stealing someone elses work, which (to me) is never okay. And he could easily have them taken down again, so you'd just end up wasting time.

[Ocram's Razr 964]

I won't touch his assets. If anyone with more skills, patience, understanding, and kindness wants to improve upon his assets, then they should go ahead. Asking permission is futile in this case but crediting him would be the polite thing to do. I will try to texture the buildings I modeled (from my Surface) on my desktop in order for the full quality to go through and I won't touch any of the toxicity by drama queens.

[Bad Peanut 826]

I think the general reaction to this by the wider community (both on here and reddit) is saddening. Most of it is people feeling sorry for themselves about how they can't have such and such asset etc. What should be thought about is the fact such relentless negativity and abrasive attitudes (evident above) towards the asset creators is unacceptable behavior. It's comparable to the incessant demands of a 5 year old. To get nice things you have to be nice. 

I have the greatest empathy for Ngon and hopefully it's a hard lesson for the community to be a bit more considerate before making demands no matter how polite you think you're being or how entitled you feel.  I know 90% of the comments on my assets are just morons speaking without thinking, sometimes without even bothering to read the description (where most of my responses can be found).

I, like boformer, have felt the need to withdraw somewhat from the greedy beast that is the skylines community. I'm still working on stuff and have actually finished a few things but I'm reluctant to publish anything because of the attitudes of people who have no respect for even a small amount of intellectual property, who as above, threaten to not gain permission from original content creators and not even credit them. Not having any respect isn't the best way to encourage people to continue creating free content for you.

[Abrams 1,744]

1 hour ago, Bad Peanut said:

I think the general reaction to this by the wider community (both on here and reddit) is saddening. Most of it is people feeling sorry for themselves about how they can't have such and such asset etc. What should be thought about is the fact such relentless negativity and abrasive attitudes (evident above) towards the asset creators is unacceptable behavior. It's comparable to the incessant demands of a 5 year old. To get nice things you have to be nice. 

I have the greatest empathy for Ngon and hopefully it's a hard lesson for the community to be a bit more considerate before making demands no matter how polite you think you're being or how entitled you feel.  I know 90% of the comments on my assets are just morons speaking without thinking, sometimes without even bothering to read the description (where most of my responses can be found).

I, like boformer, have felt the need to withdraw somewhat from the greedy beast that is the skylines community. I'm still working on stuff and have actually finished a few things but I'm reluctant to publish anything because of the attitudes of people who have no respect for even a small amount of intellectual property, who as above, threaten to not gain permission from original content creators and not even credit them. Not having any respect isn't the best way to encourage people to continue creating free content for you.

This needs to be put into a stickyed thread in simtropolis and on the promoted section of r/cities skylines.

[Turjan 1,048]

2 hours ago, Bad Peanut said:

I think the general reaction to this by the wider community (both on here and reddit) is saddening. Most of it is people feeling sorry for themselves about how they can't have such and such asset etc. What should be thought about is the fact such relentless negativity and abrasive attitudes (evident above) towards the asset creators is unacceptable behavior. It's comparable to the incessant demands of a 5 year old. To get nice things you have to be nice.

I hope it's clear that I fully understand his reaction. That's the main reason why I quoted his last post on Simtropolis: He seemed to have fun creating things and share them with people, but he didn't want to be hassled with suggestions how to reduce tris count or similar (this was the topic in the linked Simtropolis thread). And we can safely assume that the negative comments and constant posts of "do this now" on the Workshop can be grating. There seem to be quite a few creators on the Workshop who ignore comments altogether, which seems to be necessary sometimes for your own sanity.

If you have thousands of people who use your work, it's easy to get just a few who are nasty and do nothing but waste your time. I still feel guilty when I once did the latter with DontCryJustDie when I made him chase after an error that wasn't related to his mod. Oops. This may not sound like a big deal, but I guess this happens often enough to be sucking the fun out of modding by wasting a lot of the modder's time. My own conclusion was to be more considerate next time, but even such a learning process can be grating, if the modder has to initiate this several times a week.

Regarding Ngon's creations, I had the feeling that they were generally very well liked, and I think he was listed by many people as one of their favorite modders. My attempt to replace the few items I didn't back up and am missing now is not out of disrespect. I'm not sure whether he now really wants nobody to use his items, he seemed just battered down by a few too many negative comments. I guess a solution for this would be to have the items somewhere where you can't give comments and only decide between positive ratings or none at all.

It's a weird situation. The truly bad asset creators usually don't get a single comment. They mostly have their peace.

Edit: By the way, I plopped one of your stations just yesterday. They are truly appreciated, really. It wasn't one of the modular ones, and I guess those are the ones that cost you your peace with people who don't know how to use them. And I'm one of those people who didn't have problems with the first Old Brick Terminal. (However, that was the one that brought me to back up my downloaded assets )