Additional Public Transit

[andreharv 1,197]

@BadPeanut Nah.  Only underground paths are removed.  Even partially underground paths (one node in and one node out) will be saved.  For stations that do not apply (and do not have the station selection UI pop up) their paths will stay intact.  Good question.

@wasmic The metro will be more expensive than rail as it is more versatile (offering widespread above and underground stops).  In addition, at least in the US, metros/light rail are at least 2x more expensive than commuter rail as discussed HERE.  I'm not going to follow those same proportions as that would be rather silly in game.  A slider may be a bit much...unless there were sliders for the other transit types as well which would be another mod altogether.  

[wasmic 111]

6 minutes ago, andreharv said:

 

@wasmic The metro will be more expensive than rail as it is more versatile (offering widespread above and underground stops).  In addition, at least in the US, metros/light rail are at least 2x more expensive than commuter rail as discussed HERE.  I'm not going to follow those same proportions as that would be rather silly in game.  A slider may be a bit much...unless there were sliders for the other transit types as well which would be another mod altogether.  

That article specifically stated that commuter rail is only that cheap because new commuter lines are usually opened along existing rights of way, where only stations have to be constructed since the tracks are already there. The article also makes a few pointless distinctions; for example, commuter rail is a subset of heavy rail, not an entirely different thing.

Ultimately, it also shows how metro that is constructed entirely underground is much more expensive than that which is constructed aboveground. Since the only difference between heavy rail metro and heavy mainline rail is usually the method of electrification and the signalling system used (both of which are a relatively small cost difference), the price of 1 mile of mainline heavy rail is the same as the price of 1 mile metro heavy rail. Yes, metro does have more frequent stations, but that should be reflected by making stations more expensive in game, not by making the tracks themselves more expensive - especially seeing as some European metros (London Underground, many S-Bahn systems) have very long stretches between stations in the outer areas, even reaching regional rail-like intervals.

[andreharv 1,197]

Duly noted

[charlesnew 262]

I think making the original cost an option would be good. I'm currently making a city with unlimited money and cheats, but I am planning on making my next city legit. I am also currently not using the mod, but I really want to in my next city. I think having expensive metros is good. It makes them more rewarding and its extremely easy to earn lots of money in the game anyway, it needs to be harder.

[Distanced 114]

The price reduction will be great for people who play without unlimited money!  I remember when I first started playing and CO added metro I wanted to use it so bad but just placing 2 station bankrupted me. Also so happy about the ped paths and station styles, I can't wait to check them out once I build a computer that actually has a GPU...

[Giveaway412 29]

Is there any way to disable the need for a Metro Depot? The Train and Monorail stations provide their own spawnpoints so I figure the Metro Stations should too.

[Bad Peanut 826]

7 hours ago, Giveaway412 said:

Is there any way to disable the need for a Metro Depot? The Train and Monorail stations provide their own spawnpoints so I figure the Metro Stations should too.

that was a design choice by the authors to make it more realistic (trains don't magically appear out of thin air in reality)

[Tim The Terrible 586]

I think all networks should have depots

[Delta2k5 311]

21 hours ago, Tim The Terrible said:

I think all networks should have depots

Ummm... let me think about this for one second... 

...actually all could feature depots, but in some cases it would not be neccessary.

 

Thinking about national und international traffic it would not make much sense to be required to use some depot/hangar for your trains/ships/planes. Instead it should be an option. This option could create also some income instead of costs as the functionality would be kinda shared with oher cities. Atleast a depot like this should be cost free in the most simple case

What I don't like is the way vehicles spawn at stations. I think outside connections should at least have the functionality of a depot meaning every train/ship/plane which should be used on any line should spawn on an outside connection if there is no depot available. The should not magically spawn out of nowhere at the stations to collect waiting passengers!

Another point to be adressed would be the spawning rate on outside connections as a vehicle spawns just if one cim is waiting. It's really stupid to see lare planes landing on airports with just one person inside. There should be a way to tell vehicles to wait till they are 75% full which would only be possible if despawn is turned off ofc.

 

So, in conclusion depots make sense for me - but not as an dependency besides purely regional networks

[Bad Peanut 826]

1 hour ago, Delta2k5 said:

train/ship/plane which should be used on any line should spawn on an outside connection if there is no depot available. The should not magically spawn out of nowhere at the stations to collect waiting passengers!

I think in the case of trains this would only work as it does in game for the outside connection trains. any lines you actually place should require a depot, not spawn trains all the way from the borders.

 

I think any form of transport that uses lines created by the player should require a depot. Trams, Buses, trains, monorails, metros, ferries, 

it's odd because half of them do require depots (the non reversible vehicles - the ones that don't turn around on a line, they just go in a circle) and the ones that can reverse don't have them. This might be a limitation though of how the reversible vehicles work, maybe it was deemed too confusing for depots to be placed for lines that can reverse - look at the trouble some people have with the MOM depots - purely because they don't think about placing it properly..

[rovapasi1 53]

I guess the differentation is made to allow outside trains to spawn without the need of a depot. If depots would be required for outside traffic, no outside traffic FROM the map to outside could happen beside with vehicles coming in from outside as long as there is no depot placed. Also it would be difficult to balance the depots. When you have a lot of incoming traafic your depot would boost over while beeing empty when people decides to leave your town.

All the traffic needing a depot is inside only traffic, fully controlled by the user.

[Giveaway412 29]

To be honest my only real problem with the Metro Depot is that I personally think it looks kind of ugly. 

[Bad Peanut 826]

22 minutes ago, Giveaway412 said:

To be honest my only real problem with the Metro Depot is that I personally think it looks kind of ugly. 

I'm sure the creator would disagree - but why don't you make your own? I'm pretty sure the original creator made it as a template. You should definitely make your own and enable us all some diversity!

[andreharv 1,197]

I'm pretty sure that is the first time I have ever, and may ever hear a depot being judged based on it's beauty...I mean it is a depot...which is pretty much summarized as a dirty sketchy industrial building used mainly for servicing/building dirty vehicles by day and comic book skirmishes by night.  But as @Bad Peanut has already mentioned, depots are just a type of building (like a train station or hospital) so people can choose to make newer sexier buildings that do the same kinda thing.  Otherwise depots are here to stay 

[Tim The Terrible 586]

20 minutes ago, andreharv said:

people can choose to make newer sexier buildings that do the same kinda thing.  Otherwise depots are here to stay 

We can make our own MOM depots? Why didn't you say that sooner!

Truth is, while the default depot fits the Steel tracks and style, it doesn't really fit the modern style of the Concrete tracks. 

When I find time I will make a new depot

 

[andreharv 1,197]

@Tim The Terrible I mean I have not personally tried this but the current Metropolitan Depot is simply a metro building.  Try remodeling it in the asset editor...Looking forward to seeing what you come up with

[Giveaway412 29]

1 hour ago, Bad Peanut said:

I'm sure the creator would disagree - but why don't you make your own? I'm pretty sure the original creator made it as a template. You should definitely make your own and enable us all some diversity!

I mean no insult to the creator. Don't get me wrong, the model and texture look extremely high quality- but to me, for some reason the depot just looks out of place compared to the other assets in the game. It seems like the textures are too high-res, and I feel like it resembles a warehouse more than a depot. Not to mention, I'm not a big fan of the appearance of red brick on it.It just seems to clash with the sleek and modern Concrete Tracks.

I suppose the same argument could be applied to the tram depot but I think that one seems more seamless, I'm not sure why.

48 minutes ago, Tim The Terrible said:

We can make our own MOM depots? Why didn't you say that sooner!

Truth is, while the default depot fits the Steel tracks and style, it doesn't really fit the modern style of the Concrete tracks. 

When I find time I will make a new depot

 

This is exactly what I was thinking! I eagerly await what you come up with!

[j4lambert 22]

Hello everyone. Do you have any updates on the progress on the next update of the Metro Overhaul Mod? The Cities: Skylines Green Cities update patch is being released on October 19. 

Also, any updates on the replacement for Multi-Track Station Enabler? It seemed to stop working some time ago.

[Dezelles 24]

@j4lambert

Replacement for Multi-Track Station Enabler is Spawn Points Fix.

[j4lambert 22]

@DezellesI'm more interested about the updates for the metro overhaul mod.

[jasonsmithgoat 13]

Quick question, does MOM support curved platforms?

[j4lambert 22]

Don't know about that. But we need more information on the new update.

[Tim The Terrible 586]

Good stuff is coming, please stand by

[wasmic 111]

Is that the opposite of Bad Stuff™? Anyway, it sounds exciting.

[schokoladeneis 1 193]

On 20.10.2017 at 4:35 PM, Tim The Terrible said:

Good stuff is coming, please stand by

Are we there yet?

-No!

And now??

[wasmic 111]

Can you say anything about the timescale for when Good Stuff will come? Like, a few weeks? Two months? More?

[wasmic 111]

Great. That's 3 yes'es and only 1 no. The people have spoken.

We'll conveniently ignore that only the "no" reaction actually came from someone related to the mod's development.

[andreharv 1,197]

Fair enough.  

Short answer, 2-3 weeks

Longer answer:  I am currently on a business trip but I am still feverishly working.  About 2 weeks ago @Tim The Terrible and I decided to stop working on new stuff and get this release out already...When it is all said and done, here is what to expect (bold stuff is new):

• New Track UI which allows users to mix and match the following options:
  • Modern (formerly concrete) Style / Classic (formerly steel) Style
  • Single Track / Double Track
  • Oneway / Twoway
• New station types (ground, elevated) as well as rendered underground stations for new track types
  • Introducing island platform station track and rendered metro station
  • Introducing single underground station track and dual underground stations
• Slope and tunnel for Classic (formerly steel) Style tracks with optional center supports
• Underground station UI now has slider for Bending Underground Stations
• Improved underground station pathing algorithm.  Rendered metro station tunnels now have cims enter by the stairs and not as much through the wall (lol).  Better overall compatability with metro station assets.
• New ground/elevated station track UI which allows changing between Modern and Classic track styles for plopped stations
• New Classic Pillars as well as elevation specific pillars for classic pillars.  We may also include 'pillar props' option that will allow for props modeled as pillars to be placed between existing pillars so that there are not large gaps between pillars as has always seemed the case. *Proven to be a lot of work and it is not worth prolonging this release.  May revisit later.
• Bloody Penguin's MOM patch will be baked in.
• (As promised) pricing will be comparable to Passenger train pricing
• *EDIT* Forgot to mention, will have new bridge type, 'Pony Plate Girder Bridge' for Classic Style

Sorry but caternaries will not make this update, sad to say.  I will be working with @Tim The Terrible to get those out in a timely-er fashion.

 

[Tim The Terrible 586]

Not to forget: the pillars come with a seperate prop pack to enable players to build custom pillars for complicated intersections. This pack will either be published on my workshop or added to MOM. 

[j4lambert 22]

12 hours ago, andreharv said:

Fair enough.  

Short answer, 2-3 weeks

Longer answer:  I am currently on a business trip but I am still feverishly working.  About 2 weeks ago @Tim The Terrible and I decided to stop working on new stuff and get this release out already...When it is all said and done, here is what to expect (bold stuff is new):

• New Track UI which allows users to mix and match the following options:
  • Modern (formerly concrete) Style / Classic (formerly steel) Style
  • Single Track / Double Track
  • Oneway / Twoway
• New station types (ground, elevated) as well as rendered stations for new track types
  • Introducing island platform station
  • Introducing single underground station (dual single underground)
• Slope and tunnel for Classic (formerly steel) Style tracks with optional center supports
• Underground station UI now has slider for Bending Underground Stations
• Improved underground station pathing algorithm.  Rendered metro station tunnels now have cims enter by the stairs and not as much through the wall (lol).  Better overall compatability with metro station assets.
• New ground/elevated station track UI which allows changing between Modern and Classic track styles for stations
• New Classic Pillars as well as elevation specific pillars for classic pillars.  We may also include 'pillar props' option that will allow for props modeled as pillars to be placed between existing pillars so that there are not large gaps between pillars as has always seemed the case.
• Bloody Penguin's MOM patch will be baked in.
• (As promised) pricing will be comparable to Passenger train pricing
• *EDIT* Forgot to mention, will have new bridge type, 'Pony Plate Girder Bridge' for Classic Style

Sorry but caternaries will not make this update, sad to say.  I will be working with @Tim The Terrible to get those out in a timely-er fashion.

 

I believe that the release date will be just after thanksgiving based on this stuff. Probably just after black friday.