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[Lost Realist 762]

You have to check all the items under the Rail options list to actually get those features.

 

I know and I did that to no avail. It's probably due to some sort of rail mod, haven't had time to check that yet.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

At the moment, I have not checked the RRW options at all.  Waiting for further development.  Working on a solution for the problems I found with the compiler for the network controller.  Windows BAT scripts are not recognized by BASH.

[Swordmaster 50]

The options to check are the Wide Radius Curves and Fractionally Angled Railroads, which are not under the "Rail" tickbox but on their own in the menu (as they were before). As mentioned, rivit's or anyone else's mod conflicts with this, since both override the same textures.

Note that during NAM installation, if you select RRW you cannot select either dedgren's or SFBT's alternative textures for the same reason.

Cheers

Willy

[Jimmyson 1]

Returning to building the Diamond Interchange with FAR RHW, and also using L1 Road onslope. Trying to place a TuLEP at the junction and this happens.

 

 

Happened last time when I used a T-junction onslope.

[jdmagtibay 0]

Good day!

I have SimCity 4 in my Windows 8 laptop and tried to install NAM 31.2 in it. I used it before in my PC with Windows XP. And now my laptop says that "This app can't run in your PC." How am I going to make this work?

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

For openers what is the build level of your game?  It has to be at 1,1,638 or higher to install the NAM.

 

What version of Windows 8 are you running?

[jdenm8 362]

Good day!

I have SimCity 4 in my Windows 8 laptop and tried to install NAM 31.2 in it. I used it before in my PC with Windows XP. And now my laptop says that "This app can't run in your PC." How am I going to make this work?

 

You sure you have an x86_64 machine running Windows 8, not Windows RT?

[APSMS 1,892]

 

Good day!

I have SimCity 4 in my Windows 8 laptop and tried to install NAM 31.2 in it. I used it before in my PC with Windows XP. And now my laptop says that "This app can't run in your PC." How am I going to make this work?

 

You sure you have an x86_64 machine running Windows 8, not Windows RT?

 

If he has SC4 installed already, isn't that an indicator that he has an appropriate version of Windows 8 (32/b4-bit)? Not sure why it won't run, though checking compatibility options might be worth a shot. Not sure why it's calling the installer an app, though. What interface are you trying to run it through?

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Just to be clear, any windows file with an extension of .exe is an executable = applications = app.  Microshaft is still stuck to extensions.

[Hellken 1,658]

 

I tested the 45° (2x4) 1 - way roads. Why is there a gap?

~~Edit: NAM 31.2

[Tarkus 6,932]

There's been some improvements to that piece in NAM 32.  One-Way Road pieces are kind of an odd beast because of the way those stubs are affected by the OneWayDir command in the RUL0 file.  Might have something to do with the proximity to the OWR-1-to-2 transition.

 

That piece does also exist in a draggable form, which doesn't experience any issues of the sort.

 

-Tarkus

[dfnva 34]

I just downloaded the new NAM 32 Pre-release.  Looks great with a lot of great new features I will be excited to use.  I feel I have looked under every menu for it, but must have somehow overlooked -- where are the diverging diamond and SPUI puzzle pieces located?  I thought they were under avenue interchanges but they're not this time.

 

Thanks for your help!

 

-Dan

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Keep in mind that this is 32pr1.  PreRelease means it may not be all there and is a beta.  If you can't live with that, back out to 31.2.

[Tarkus 6,932]

I just downloaded the new NAM 32 Pre-release.  Looks great with a lot of great new features I will be excited to use.  I feel I have looked under every menu for it, but must have somehow overlooked -- where are the diverging diamond and SPUI puzzle pieces located?  I thought they were under avenue interchanges but they're not this time.

 

Thanks for your help!

 

They're located under the Avenue/RHW pieces button, at the end of the TAB Ring (Shift-TAB gets you there quickly).  That's where they've always been.

 

-Tarkus

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Tab rings are varmints and I am Yosemite Sam.

[dfnva 34]

Thanks for the help.  For some reason I didn't look in that menu.  Also, one other dumb question -- how do I get to the project symphony menu or did that not come w/ the V 32 pre-release? 

 

-Dan

[NielsC007 499]

Thanks for the help.  For some reason I didn't look in that menu.  Also, one other dumb question -- how do I get to the project symphony menu or did that not come w/ the V 32 pre-release? 

 

-Dan

 

It's in NAM 32 PR. I have it installed. But I don't think it is called Project symphony in the installer. I think it's something like Maxis highway override.

 

- Niels

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

That's right.  There was an argument about that, but I think an appropriate comment goes with it (I hope).  Plain names are better than circumlocutions.

 

(signed) Locutus of Borg.

[CaptCity 4,753]

Curious thing happened today... My game has been crashing whenever I use GLR. I thought it might be related to the e-series vs. s-series controller, so I thought I would start over from scratch and re-install everything. After getting the game installed and updated, I ran the NAM 32 Pri installer. I chose the standard installation and got the 'warning' about needing the SimCity file modified, but when I accepted it, I was told it couldn't update because the game was running. Obviously it wasn't, so I'm not sure why that was happening. That would be question number one. I even restarted the computer and tried again.

 

Then I tried a custom install and did not get the warning, but all seemed to go well. Well, out of curiosity, I un-installed NAM and tried the standard installation again. This time I received no warning about updating the file. My second question is does the custom setup routine automatically update the SimCity file without asking for permission if it is deemed necessary? It's not that I mind either way, I was just wondering if there's a way to confirm the file has been updated. I'm trying to eliminate possible causes of my crashes with GLR.

 

Sorry if this has been brought up before (it does seem to ring a bell). I tried reading up on the setup program but am still a little confused on exactly what is updated and when and on what systems. I just transferred rom a P4 machine with XP, and the transition has been taking me a little to get used to. I now have an Intel i3 with 4GB RAM and Windows 8.1.

 

Hope that all makes sense....

[UndercoverNinja12 176]

Is there a way to have all the RRW features (like smoother regular curves, for example) without the new texture? I love it, but not everything I use supports the new texture.

[z1 566]

Curious thing happened today... My game has been crashing whenever I use GLR. I thought it might be related to the e-series vs. s-series controller...

The controller used shouldn't make a difference, as the only difference between the two relates to SAM and the RHW. I don't know why your game was crashing with the GLR, though.  However, crashes due to the size of the controller may be more frequent with the e-series, since it's bigger than the s-series.  But the s-series is not immune from these crashes unless the 4 GB patch is installed.

 

After getting the game installed and updated, I ran the NAM 32 Pri installer. I chose the standard installation and got the 'warning' about needing the SimCity file modified, but when I accepted it, I was told it couldn't update because the game was running. Obviously it wasn't, so I'm not sure why that was happening. That would be question number one. I even restarted the computer and tried again.

 

Looking at the installer code, the message you got is displayed when the patch program returns an error.  We can't tell what caused the error, but a currently running SC4 will do it by locking the executable file.  But as that's not the only reason, the actual error message reads as such: "The NAM installer was unable to patch your SimCity 4 executable file.  This can happen if the game is currently running.  If that is the case, please exit the game and select "Retry".  Otherwise, select "Abort" to abort the installation, or select "Ignore", and the NAM installation will continue without the patch."

 

Then I tried a custom install and did not get the warning, but all seemed to go well. Well, out of curiosity, I un-installed NAM and tried the standard installation again. This time I received no warning about updating the file. My second question is does the custom setup routine automatically update the SimCity file without asking for permission if it is deemed necessary? It's not that I mind either way, I was just wondering if there's a way to confirm the file has been updated. I'm trying to eliminate possible causes of my crashes with GLR.

 

No, permission is always requested regardless of the type of installation done.  However, if the installer is unable to install the patch, it will not ask you about it in future installations.  If you want the installer to try reinstalling the patch, you should remove the value "HKLM\Software\Maxis\SimCity 4\Large Address Aware" from your registry, and the installer will try again on the next installation.

 

Sorry if this has been brought up before (it does seem to ring a bell). I tried reading up on the setup program but am still a little confused on exactly what is updated and when and on what systems. I just transferred rom a P4 machine with XP, and the transition has been taking me a little to get used to. I now have an Intel i3 with 4GB RAM and Windows 8.1.

 

In that case, I would recommend removing that registry value and running the installer again, as the newer Intel CPUs are particularly susceptible to the types of crashes that this patch is designed to prevent.

[CaptCity 4,753]

Thanks Z... I'll check that registry entry. if I'm understanding correctly then, if I tried to run the installer using either the Standard or Custom installation, the update message will appear only the first time. It did when I tried the Standard first. But after aborting it, it did not reappear when I used Custom. Should it have or was the initial attempt enough to skip it on subsequent attempts? And I guess the error message, if it continues, means that the patch can not be applied... for whatever reason...?

 

Yes, the GLR issue is strange. I once saw a post about a very similar thing at SC4D. I could have as large and as complicated transportation system using any of the available transit networks with no problem. But as soon as I laid a single stretch of GLR track the game would crash within minutes (sometimes seconds).  I've not been using ELRail/GLR very much (I'm kind of on a rural kick), so I just let it go. But with the new NAM coming out, I was curious to see if I could get it working better on this newer computer.

 

Thanks again.

[Tarkus 6,932]

Is there a way to have all the RRW features (like smoother regular curves, for example) without the new texture? I love it, but not everything I use supports the new texture.

 

The new texture is an integral part of the RRW, and if it's an RRW feature, that's the only option.

 

-Tarkus

[z1 566]

Thanks Z... I'll check that registry entry. if I'm understanding correctly then, if I tried to run the installer using either the Standard or Custom installation, the update message will appear only the first time. It did when I tried the Standard first. But after aborting it, it did not reappear when I used Custom. Should it have or was the initial attempt enough to skip it on subsequent attempts?

 

The three possible replies to this error message act in three different ways.  "Abort" aborts the installation immediately, without writing that registry key; if you run the installer again, it will try the patch again.  "Retry" will make another attempt to install the patch; this is useful if your game was running, or you can determine what was locking the executable file and unlock it.  "Ignore" means that the installer should ignore the error, and so it does; this is the case where it doesn't ask about the patch on subsequent installation attempts.  It appears that you chose "Ignore" rather than "Abort"; did your installation continue after this?  The code is very straightforward; I can see no way that registry value could be written if you chose "Abort".  Do you have that registry value?  If so, what is it set to?

 

 

And I guess the error message, if it continues, means that the patch can not be applied... for whatever reason...?

 

Yes.  Either something is locking the executable (most likely), or else the permissions on it are set so that even an administrator cannot write to it.  It's also possible that the patch is failing for some other reason, but that's extremely unlikely.

[APSMS 1,892]

It's worth noting that you can change the RRW textures yourself, though it is time consuming. With luck, some others will create variants in time. For now, you're stuck with what the creator has determined the most realistic and appealing under the limited capabilities of the game engine. FWIW, the texture change decision and design was not a trivial one.

 

Having seen the texture in action, I can say that the most disappointing bit will be the discontinuous textures on lots (like railyards) that use their own custom textures, but every other application I've seen it in has looked pretty good, considering all the rust. But that's just me.

[CaptCity 4,753]

 

Thanks Z... I'll check that registry entry. if I'm understanding correctly then, if I tried to run the installer using either the Standard or Custom installation, the update message will appear only the first time. It did when I tried the Standard first. But after aborting it, it did not reappear when I used Custom. Should it have or was the initial attempt enough to skip it on subsequent attempts?

 

The three possible replies to this error message act in three different ways.  "Abort" aborts the installation immediately, without writing that registry key; if you run the installer again, it will try the patch again.  "Retry" will make another attempt to install the patch; this is useful if your game was running, or you can determine what was locking the executable file and unlock it.  "Ignore" means that the installer should ignore the error, and so it does; this is the case where it doesn't ask about the patch on subsequent installation attempts.  It appears that you chose "Ignore" rather than "Abort"; did your installation continue after this?  The code is very straightforward; I can see no way that registry value could be written if you chose "Abort".  Do you have that registry value?  If so, what is it set to?

 

 

 

And I guess the error message, if it continues, means that the patch can not be applied... for whatever reason...?

 

Yes.  Either something is locking the executable (most likely), or else the permissions on it are set so that even an administrator cannot write to it.  It's also possible that the patch is failing for some other reason, but that's extremely unlikely.

 

 

Back again... Well, I originally thought it was a permissions thing, but nothing I've tried lets it run. I did set the game back up on my older computer (XP) and tried to install NAM 32 again. However, the same message came up, so I don't know what to think. I can't think of anything else similar on the two machines that would block the setup routine. I am set as an Administrator on both. I know I had run the last NAM version on the XP machine and I don't remember any issues. It's been a while though, so I could be wrong on that.

 

I did look in the registry of the XP computer and found the Large Address entry. It was set at a value of '1'. On the Win8 computer, I couldn't even find a Maxis entry anywhere. Hmmm... 

[z1 566]

This turned out to be an installer bug.  A number of files were moved for NAM 32, including the patch files.  However, the patch files ended up in the wrong place.  As a result, when the installer attempted to patch the executable, it couldn't find the relevant patch file, and the patch failed.  The rest of the installation was valid, though.

 

If you have a copy of your SimCity 4 executable that you used with NAM 31.2, you should use it.  Otherwise, you can use the standalone version of the 4GB patch that can be found here.  If you do that, the installer won't know that the executable has been patched, but it will be, and it will remain patched.

[CaptCity 4,753]

Ah, great minds and all that...    That was my next question... I just re-installed NAM 31.2 to see if it would work. It did, and when I saw that the exe file had been modified and backed up, I assumed it had been patched. I then ran NAM 32-Pri over it and was going to ask if the exe file would still be patched adequately or if something else is done by NAM 32. Thanks for the assistance.

 

Still can't find that Maxis entry in the Win8 registry. That one's going to bug me no end...

[z1 566]

Still can't find that Maxis entry in the Win8 registry. That one's going to bug me no end...

 

Well, we can put a quick end to that.  At the end of the Software key, there's a key named Wow6432Node (where "Wow" stands for "Windows on Windows").  Underneath this are the keys for all your 32-bit programs.  This dual-level system has been in place for HKLM since Vista.

[CaptCity 4,753]

 

Still can't find that Maxis entry in the Win8 registry. That one's going to bug me no end...

 

Well, we can put a quick end to that.  At the end of the Software key, there's a key named Wow6432Node (where "Wow" stands for "Windows on Windows").  Underneath this are the keys for all your 32-bit programs.  This dual-level system has been in place for HKLM since Vista.

 

 

Figures...  That's what I get for jumping from XP to 8...      I found the 'WowNode' and there it was. I had seen it before but didn't open it, thinking it was something else.

 

Thanks again...