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[Flann 1,709]

On 2/24/2025 at 8:11 PM, atsf189 said:

Is there a listing of the vanilla OWR puzzle pieces that has a picture and then the IID that corresponds to it?

No, not really.  This has been somewhat of a pain point for doing this sort of work until very recently.  Previously we got by with either storing an unhealthy amount of hexadecimal IDs in our brains, or we'd run override texture sets that had "burned in" IIDs in our plugins, or we'd reference the network code, or peek into the texture dats to find what we needed.  Nowadays, however, we just use this excellent query DLL which is able to tell you what the ID of a network tile is.

 

 

[CahosRahneVeloza 385]

On 2/21/2025 at 8:22 AM, Tyberius06 said:

For a moment I confused it with the Italian collection, but this is the polish Iberiada set from Jack. Well as I see, there could be a separate dependency file created (I had the same idea for Fordoniak/ @adrian10's modernizm and @kbieniu7's several block towers sets) as Polish Prop Pack etc... and later on when an update or official restoration may occure the restored files can reference these packs as dependencies so do new relots or creations based on these models...

Putting together a pack like that is not that complicated, though I'm being me, I would definitely create prop examplars for all the models and also organize some of these buildings into prop families, then datpack the whole thing. Probably the name of the package would be Polish Prop Packs - Jacks Iberiada Set Models.

I can prioritize this and make the initial prop pack and cleanitol file(s) over the next week (this weekend will be quite busy for me)

@Tyberius06 I hope these'll be ready by this weekend 

I've already weeded out the .SC4Lot and .sc4desc files from both sets, but a single download would be cleaner to have on hand 

[CorinaMarie 29,605]

2 hours ago, CahosRahneVeloza said:

@Tyberius06 I hope these'll be ready by this weekend 

Oh, my! Let's not rush him. We are thankful Tibi does the massive amount of work he does for the whole SC4 community and we gladly accept it in his time frame.

[CahosRahneVeloza 385]

7 hours ago, CorinaMarie said:

Oh, my! Let's not rush him. We are thankful Tibi does the massive amount of work he does for the whole SC4 community and we gladly accept it in his time frame.

I apologize if it sounded like I was being pushy or demanding with my post. I just thought of gently, again sorry if I sounded otherwise, bumping the topic as he did say he'd try to work it in this week because his schedule was already swomped last week.

Also I could've just sent him a Private Message instead which I feel is more pushy than just posting here on the discussion so I didn't.

Again my apologies.

Incidentally though when I weeded out the Iberiada Sets 1 & 2 of their .SC4Lot and .sc4desc files, instead of getting 61 total files as you noted, and as I manually counted them, Windows explorer keeps reporting that there are 62 files  I repeatedly counted them and each time I'd get 61, same as you, but when I pull up Windows' file explorer's "Properties" viewer it keeps telling me there are 62 files. I'm currently on my phone now but I'll log onto my PC later to post up a screenshot.

[CorinaMarie 29,605]

33 minutes ago, CahosRahneVeloza said:

I repeatedly counted them and each time I'd get 61, same as you, but when I pull up Windows' file explorer's "Properties" viewer it keeps telling me there are 62 files.

That's strange. I wonder if it's counting the folder they are in as one those?

 

Here are the filenames with their sizes so if you make a similar listing we could use WinMerge to compare:

Spoiler

Size      Filename
-------   ------------------------------------------------------
295,372 - kam10-0x5ad0e817_0x1a73d39a_0x30000.SC4Model
297,314 - kam10a-0x5ad0e817_0x3a73d7d6_0x30000.SC4Model
299,121 - kam10b-0x5ad0e817_0x7a73e02e_0x30000.SC4Model
465,061 - kam1-0x5ad0e817_0x1902a37b_0x30000.SC4Model
465,552 - kam1a-0x5ad0e817_0xf902c5c8_0x30000.SC4Model
470,501 - kam1b-0x5ad0e817_0xf902d934_0x30000.SC4Model
594,292 - kam1dach final6-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x30000.SC4Model
475,844 - kam2-0x5ad0e817_0xd92beec7_0x30000.SC4Model
494,166 - kam2a-0x5ad0e817_0xd92bfba0_0x30000.SC4Model
498,519 - kam2b-0x5ad0e817_0x994fbd41_0x30000.SC4Model
436,280 - kam3-0x5ad0e817_0xd97966d0_0x30000.SC4Model
431,672 - kam3a-0x5ad0e817_0x3979964d_0x30000.SC4Model
422,121 - kam3b-0x5ad0e817_0xf979b16a_0x30000.SC4Model
438,372 - kam3c-0x5ad0e817_0x5979ba71_0x30000.SC4Model
716,764 - kam4-0x5ad0e817_0x39a127de_0x30000.SC4Model
719,460 - kam4a-0x5ad0e817_0xb9a136fd_0x30000.SC4Model
732,147 - kam4b-0x5ad0e817_0xf9a14355_0x30000.SC4Model
284,633 - kam5-0x5ad0e817_0x1a507366_0x30000.SC4Model
289,811 - kam5a-0x5ad0e817_0x3a507806_0x30000.SC4Model
283,915 - kam5b-0x5ad0e817_0x7a507c0a_0x30000.SC4Model
469,727 - kam6-0x5ad0e817_0xd952001a_0x30000.SC4Model
472,413 - kam6a-0x5ad0e817_0x79520c35_0x30000.SC4Model
465,695 - kam6b-0x5ad0e817_0x59521612_0x30000.SC4Model
155,769 - kam7-0x5ad0e817_0x9952579e_0x30000.SC4Model
157,654 - kam7a-0x5ad0e817_0x7979fa4c_0x30000.SC4Model
157,153 - kam7b-0x5ad0e817_0x197a0212_0x30000.SC4Model
445,638 - kam8-0x5ad0e817_0xf9a23f49_0x30000.SC4Model
459,461 - kam8a-0x5ad0e817_0x39a2684e_0x30000.SC4Model
441,555 - kam8b-0x5ad0e817_0xb9a27492_0x30000.SC4Model
450,134 - kam9-0x5ad0e817_0xf9a2a88e_0x30000.SC4Model
449,671 - kam9a-0x5ad0e817_0xd9a2b3c3_0x30000.SC4Model
454,734 - kam9b-0x5ad0e817_0xf9a2c055_0x30000.SC4Model
650,279 - kamienica10-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x410000.SC4Model
660,644 - kamienica10a-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x420000.SC4Model
658,373 - kamienica10b-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x440000.SC4Model
582,300 - Kamienica1a-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x40000.SC4Model
568,197 - Kamienica1b-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x50000.SC4Model
311,265 - kamienica2-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x140000.SC4Model
309,173 - kamienica2a-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x130000.SC4Model
312,310 - kamienica2b-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x110000.SC4Model
373,032 - kamienica3-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x170000.SC4Model
343,464 - kamienica3a-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x190000.SC4Model
341,056 - kamienica3b-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x1b0000.SC4Model
574,313 - Kamienica4-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x1e0000.SC4Model
565,127 - Kamienica4a-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x210000.SC4Model
567,289 - Kamienica4b-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x240000.SC4Model
530,178 - Kamienica5-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x270000.SC4Model
520,783 - Kamienica5a-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x2b0000.SC4Model
528,628 - Kamienica5b-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x2c0000.SC4Model
386,445 - kamienica6-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x2d0000.SC4Model
378,320 - kamienica6a-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x310000.SC4Model
388,658 - kamienica6b-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x320000.SC4Model
241,262 - kamienica7-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x2e0000.SC4Model
245,389 - kamienica7a-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x2f0000.SC4Model
239,287 - kamienica7b-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x300000.SC4Model
386,815 - kamienica8-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x390000.SC4Model
387,760 - kamienica8a-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x370000.SC4Model
419,603 - kamienica8b-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x3a0000.SC4Model
203,298 - kamienica9-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x3e0000.SC4Model
232,834 - kamienica9a-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x3d0000.SC4Model
203,276 - kamienica9b-0x5ad0e817_0xf6aed48f_0x3f0000.SC4Model
-------------------------------------------------------------
61 File(s)     25,799,879 bytes

I do that from a Command Prompt in the Folder and then do:

dir *.SC4Model /on > FilesList.txt

and then edit in Notepad++ to block remove the extraneous parts.

[atsf189 460]

On 2/26/2025 at 3:26 PM, Flann said:

excellent query DLL

Thank You

Unfortunately I can not get this .dll to work on Win 10 pro 64 bit  on my desktop or Win 11 Pro 64 bit on my laptop .

I added the MS Visual C++ Redistributable and tried full permission on all folders in fact the whole C: drive with no luck.

The .dll dose write the log: SC4QueryUIHooks v2.3.1 Installed the query UI hooks.

Pressing shift+CTR+ATL will not bring up the information not sure why.

[CahosRahneVeloza 385]

Okay so I moved out each of the 61 .sc4model files, 30 from set 1 and 31 from set 2, and just moved each one up to a "Set x" (1 or 2) parent folder. And deleted the many, individual unnecessary folders with set 1 having one each for each individual variant as opposed to set 2's every variant in ten folders, so that there are only just three folders for Windows to look at. A main "Iberiada Sets 1 & 2" models folder and one each for set 1 and 2. And now Windows explorer correctly tells me that there are exactly 61 files now. Strange, odd quirk

[Null 45 3,041]

6 hours ago, atsf189 said:

Pressing shift+CTR+ATL will not bring up the information not sure why.

The advanced network query works the same way as the Maxis advanced building/lot query. You have to hold down Control + Alt + Shift before hovering over a network piece.

[atsf189 460]

13 hours ago, Null 45 said:

You have to hold down Control + Alt + Shift before hovering over a network piece.

@rsc204

I have done this before after during and no luck on buildings or network piece.

It looks like none of the keyboard shortcuts listed in the readme are working

I took all my other .dlls out and still not working.

I updated the SC4ResourceLoadingHooks v1.0.1 from v1.0.0

These .dlls are pretty simple to install. not sure what went wrong or what i am doing wrong.

I do have this error from one of the other .dlls

SC4DisableFpsLimits v0.1.1
Attempting to overwrite memory
Disabled the FPS limits during simulation.

It does log the building path when this is set to true

SC4QueryUIHooks v2.3.1
Installed the query UI hooks.
atsf189 US Postal Air Cargo Center (US Postal Air Freight Center): C:\Users\micro\Documents\SimCity 4\Plugins\atsf189 Airport Mail Centers\atsf189 US Postal Airport Mail Center_b5b74051.SC4Lot
CS$$$14x8_1ChiCarCarCentre_0515 (Car Care Center): C:\Program Files (x86)\Maxis\SimCity 4\SimCity_1.dat
atsf189 FedEx Air Cargo Center (Federal Express Air Freight Center): C:\Users\micro\Documents\SimCity 4\Plugins\atsf189 Airport Mail Centers\atsf189 FedEx Airport Mail Center_d3b98314.SC4Lot
 

[rsc204 21,808]

In this precise order, press ? on your keyboard (shortcut for query tool). Make sure the cursor is NOT on the tile you want to query, press and continue to hold the Shift + Alt + Ctrl keys, move the cursor over the item you want the advanced query for at no point letting go of the modifier keys.

https://youtu.be/T3MZbC44d4A

Foolproof way of ensuring we are on the same page. Note you might want to use the on-screen keyboard in Windows just to check you can use all three modifier keys without anything weird happening.

If that doesn't work, given we know the DLL has loaded, all I can suggest is that your keyboard (or any software that came with/creates shortcuts for it), might be blocking the correct function. For example if some app/etc used this as some sort of shortcut?

 

[atsf189 460]

1 hour ago, rsc204 said:

continue to hold the Shift + Alt + Ctrl keys

Will not work on my laptop win 11 built in keyboard or the desktop Win 10 wireless keyboard

Here is the best part, The on screen keyboard causes the game to not load on both devices.

I did remove the force full screen .dll and the on screen keyboard will still not let the game load

STUPID WINDOWS!!!!

[jimbo_rockford 9]

6 hours ago, atsf189 said:

These .dlls are pretty simple to install. not sure what went wrong or what i am doing wrong.

I had trouble with the Query Tool UI dll too until I installed the extra cheats dll. Try installing the extra cheats dll (if you don't have it already) then try the Control + Alt + Shift advanced query.

 

[rsc204 21,808]

21 hours ago, atsf189 said:

Here is the best part, The on screen keyboard causes the game to not load on both devices.

I wasn't using it playing SC4, I just added it as a layer to the video (it's faked!) as I thought it gave a really clear idea of what to do. Anyway, it seems we are on the same page and the problem lies elsewhere so that's something.

Step one, verify if you can activate all three modifier keys at once in Windows (without any games), the on-screen keyboard is a nice visual confirmation for this.

If that works, why aren't these commands being passed to the game?, that's the question. This sort of thing should be handled by DirectX, I know of mouse issues running Win10 (MMPs move two 'steps' at a time with only a single mouse click). A fix for that involves using a wrapper for DirectInput to provide legacy compatibility. There are also issues with SC4 if certain languages are used in Windows or for Keyboard input, but if you are using the default US English, I doubt that's your problem.

[Null 45 3,041]

2 hours ago, rsc204 said:

If that works, why aren't these commands being passed to the game?

As @jimbo_rockford mentioned, the Control + Alt + Shift advanced/debug query shortcuts currently require the extra cheats DLL to function. The game code that activates the advanced/debug query mode when those keys are pressed was written to return false if the internal debug mode is not enabled.

I never noticed the issue because I always use the extra cheats DLL.

[atsf189 460]

@jimbo_rockford @rsc204 @Null 45

Thank you all. That is what it was i installed the extra cheats DLL and it works great.

Hopefully you can add that as dependency.

I was beginning to think i didn't know how to work my keyboard.

[Null 45 3,041]

1 hour ago, atsf189 said:

Hopefully you can add that as dependency.

I already did for the STEX description.

I am considering performing the key combination check myself instead of calling the Maxis code, which would remove the extra cheats DLL dependency. In that case, the extra cheats DLL would only be required for the Maxis advanced building/lot query.

[Propfam 2,288]

Whenever I run the UI Editor, I got this.

I don't know what really happened since everything's blank.

[CorinaMarie 29,605]

7 hours ago, Propfam said:

UI Editor

I presume it's the UIEditor 0.5 on the STEX. I've never used it before, but I just downloaded it and it's ok on Win10.

 

I seem to recall CB saying the UI Editor in Reader 1.5.4 is more advanced.

Personally, I simply edit in the text source code using Notepad++.

[Propfam 2,288]

16 minutes ago, CorinaMarie said:

Reader 1.5.4 is more advanced.

And yet, I'm not able to understand what are the functions of the buttons on the 3rd column? To make things even worse, it can't handle extremely large UI for my own project, while even the ancient Reader 0.9.3 can. Both don't have enough function to work at such resolution however. That's why I'm seeking for better tools.

[rsc204 21,808]

They should use ToolTips, meaning if you hover the cursor over them, a short explanation pops up. Not really sure any of it is documented anywhere, there isn't an official readme.

I guess the question that really matters is what are you trying to do? There are tutorials for creating/editing UI files, maybe that's a better place to start?

[hugues aroux 3,784]

11 minutes ago, Propfam said:

functions of the buttons on the 3rd column?

The third group of icons make it possible to align a set of objects (text blocks, icons ...) on the left, right, ...

[hugues aroux 3,784]

@PropfamI confirm what CB (and Cori) says, it is clearly more reasonable (while waiting for a new app - we can dream no!?) To use Reader 1.5.4 .. Advice: make some modifications, save, close the .dat file and open it again, continue your modifies, etc ... 1.5.4 is "furiously" unstable !

[Tyberius06 12,189]

On 2/20/2025 at 4:35 PM, CorinaMarie said:

@CahosRahneVeloza

I've downloaded all three sets (two original and the relots) and it certainly looks like you do not need the .sc4lot nor the .sc4desc files from the original two sets.

So, a question for @Tyberius06 whenever you have a chance: What about having a third download option for the Iberiada Set 1 and 2 which is just the 61 model files? I've made a zip of them and it's about 20 MB. If we do that then the relots can reference that as the dependency without peeps having to get both full sets and then figure out what all to delete.

 

On 2/20/2025 at 12:28 AM, CahosRahneVeloza said:

I'm trying to install this pack...

But it doesn't come with instructions on how to install the Iberiada Set 1 & 2 dependencies...

...however in the Set 1 & 2 download page it does tell me to delete the SC4Lot files, IF I just want to use kergelen's relots. Now my question is, how about the SC4Desc files that come with the downloads? Do I keep them as well?

And somewhat of a follow-up question is, will kergelen's relots have English building descriptions? Or will the lots have Polish descriptions? I would prefer English though 

Hi everybody,

Polish Prop Packs - Jacks Iberiada Set Models is uploaded.

- Tyberius06

[sander97 657]

Does anyone know if there is a way to remove a landfill with garbage? Not by slowly reduce the garbage but direct bulldozing it

[CorinaMarie 29,605]

12 minutes ago, sander97 said:

Not by slowly reduce the garbage but direct bulldozing it

For complex reasons that cannot be done. Well, maybe with a fancy DLL, but otherwise peeps use the Landfill Eraser Mod which'll make the garbage evaporate very quickly. Once it's gone, you can then dezone the landfill.

[StevieKam84 46]

I have spent the better part of my morning trying to locate all the horse sounds/fauna sounds in livereader.  I could not find one.   Yet i enter the game and zoom in, and under my trees, it's all I hear - almost as if they are mocking me, knowing my intentions.   Is there anyone out there that's significantly more skilled at this who could potentially silence these horses and wildlife?  Thank you!

[Null 45 3,041]

2 hours ago, StevieKam84 said:

I have spent the better part of my morning trying to locate all the horse sounds/fauna sounds in livereader.  I could not find one.

The easiest way to browse the exemplars that I know of is using the Exemplar Analyzer in tree view, all the fauna is grouped under the Fauna category of Flora & Fauna.

2 hours ago, StevieKam84 said:

Is there anyone out there that's significantly more skilled at this who could potentially silence these horses and wildlife?

Here is an override that removes the SFX:Occupant Instance Sound property from all of the game's default fauna. SilentFauna.zip

[TheMurderousCricket 5,055]

On 15.03.2025 at 5:59 PM, CorinaMarie said:

For complex reasons that cannot be done.

Also, most of the landfill data is for some reason hardcoded. I stumbled across many problems when I tried to make a landfill mod and some things simply couldn't be done at all!

Ok, but on to my question - how do some of you guys make these fancy maps out of your cities and regions? I see some of them in the city journals. I even remember someone made an entry on how they make it but I can't find it anymore...

Any guides or tutorials on the subject?

[rsc204 21,808]

Somewhere. You can use special Apps to convert geological data into a greyscale image. With the right adjustments in GIMP/Photoshop etc, you can then make that suitable for import with SC4Mapper/SC4Terraformer.

Maybe one of these helps, not sure how relevant all of it will still be:

https://www.wiki.sc4devotion.com/index.php?title=Tutorial:Creating_SC4_Topo_Maps_in_a_Graphics_Program

https://community.simtropolis.com/omnibus/SimCity-4/mapping-terraforming/how-to-make-scale-accurate-realistic-regions-from-usgs-data-r70/

[StevieKam84 46]

12 hours ago, Null 45 said:

The easiest way to browse the exemplars that I know of is using the Exemplar Analyzer in tree view, all the fauna is grouped under the Fauna category of Flora & Fauna.

Here is an override that removes the SFX:Occupant Instance Sound property from all of the game's default fauna. SilentFauna.zip

Thank you!