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That's awesome research Corina, replacing some old discussions. There was a recently updated necrotic thread about these balloons. The two threads should be cross-linked (including a link from the old-thread's OP to here), and the old thread should be locked so that both its OP and final post come here, but people arriving here can check back to there.

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  • 3 hours ago, jeffryfisher said:

    That's awesome research Corina, replacing some old discussions.

    Thanks. I'm glad you find it useful. *:)  (I'm a wee bit perplexed why you reacted confused to it tho.)

     

    3 hours ago, jeffryfisher said:

    There was a recently updated necrotic thread about these balloons.

    I'm guessing you are referring to my post here where I replied to @That Retro Guy's question by quoting the entirety of this old post. The old thread was not bumped and @black_coat derived the interpretations from observation of the game and then logical speculation. The thread it is located in is still buried a zillion pages deep in the forums list so I really see no need to add a linky to it nor to lock it. *;)

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  • 8 hours ago, catty-cb said:

    I've never paid much attention to the MySims makes you wonder what MAXIS was planning on doing in the future for all the ones that were never used.

    I usually drop one of myself and a Bella in each city tile just for the fun of it. I have a good imagination so the simplified interactions with them are cute. They each get a low wealth home and throughout my building I'll eventually have some areas with medium wealth residential and a small handful of high wealth. As I'm finishing up that city tile I'll then drop in some education near each of MySims so they can start their paths towards the upper two wealth levels. (Or that can be done with a simple, single City Museum, good city-wide health coverage, and lots of in game running time.)

    I imagine the unused black ones were created first and then the Green and Red ones from those. Maxis prolly decided many of the black ones were not needed for random convos. I do know just enough about modding and Lua scripting that I'll give it a try for fixing the bugged triggers and adding new ones. I imagine the number of balloon hex associations are locked down just like the ordinances inasmuch as it's likely no new ones can be added. However, if those unused ones are callable, they could then be altered for other types of information display. (I don't yet know how to replace an existing .png in a .dat file, but I'm sure one of the tools can do this.)

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    1 hour ago, CorinaMarie said:

    (I don't yet know how to replace an existing .png in a .dat file, but I'm sure one of the tools can do this.)

    You can do it with Ilive Reader ("Insert file" command).

    Replace .png You can with SC4 Tool too...

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    13 hours ago, CorinaMarie said:

    a wee bit perplexed why you reacted confused to it

    It's just a lot to take in, and there are still some mysteries to be solved (perhaps because some bubbles are never used in the game?).

    I've never used a "mySim". Are they pure sugar, or do they provide info that is not available via the graphs, queries and colored data maps?

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  • 1 minute ago, jeffryfisher said:

    I've never used a "mySim". Are they pure sugar, or do they provide info that is not available via the graphs, queries and colored data maps?

    As best I can tell they are a cute addition for peeps playing with story line imaginations. Otherwise, there doesn't appear to be anything one can learn from them that the data views and graphs don't already show.

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    SimCity 4 game mechanics aren´t as responsive as we would like. Power, water, traffic fine. Crime - Emergencies reasonable. Healthcare, wealth it responds rather slugish ! Bombe a neighbourhood with hospitals, clinics, parks the effects may only have effect in sometime non measurable ! Annoying are the icons of sims who have a high education level and won´t move on to a better neighbourhood !

    Sincerely yours,

    kschmidt

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    I find it amazing that SC4 had so many game mechanics, and such a shame that they werent finished. I can imagine what this game could have been if they had finished it all, and left the game code open completely for modding, a bit like the Arma games. 

    I sometimes use the MySim function. It is just for the fun of it, but it does add an extra level of personality to the city, knowing that you've got something resembling a living individual roaming the streets and giving you feedback about what you've created. I think it encourages you to build more conciously, more people-oriented, and stimulates creativity, imagination, and common sense.

    It also reminds me of Tamagotchi for some reason.... ;)

    Great work Corina. Always helpful!

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  • 1 hour ago, kim026 said:

    I sometimes use the MySim function. It is just for the fun of it, but it does add an extra level of personality to the city, knowing that you've got something resembling a living individual roaming the streets and giving you feedback about what you've created. I think it encourages you to build more conciously, more people-oriented, and stimulates creativity, imagination, and common sense.

    This sums up MySims very nicely. It embodies the spirit of what they are good for and why they can be fun. *:)

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        2.      Save all the cities and exit the game when you're done bulldozing

        3.      Remove the associated files from your plugins folder

        Hint: Just to be sure, I recommend moving the undesired files somewhere else and doing some checks before you delete them permanently. This way, if it turns out you forgot to bulldoze something, you can add it back in temporarily until you're done.


         

         
        3 - DEPENDENCIES

        There are a few dependencies for this Reward here, and you'll need the original upload of the BAT to see the building:

        1.  Mattb325’s Old Delaware Courthouse (only the Mattb325_Muncie_Courthouse2-0x5ad0e817_0x3d4aa1f9_0x30000.SC4Model file is required): http://community.simtropolis.com/files/file/27989-old-delaware-county-courthouse/
        2.  Paeng‘s Textures Pack Vol. 1.04                                              http://community.simtropolis.com/files/file/22823-paeng-textures-vol104/
        3. KOSC SuperSHK_Mega Texture Pack                                       https://community.simtropolis.com/files/file/31006-supershk-mega-parking-textures/

        4. shokthrpy’s SHK Parking Pack 1.2                                            http://community.simtropolis.com/files/file/27563-shk-parking-pack/

        5. Mattb325’s BSCBatPropsMattb325 Vol. 02                             http://sc4devotion.com/csxlex/lex_filedesc.php?lotGET=2383

        6. c.p.’s BSC Mega Prop Vol. 01                                                    http://sc4devotion.com/csxlex/lex_filedesc.php?lotGET=1180

        7. c.p.’s BSC Mega Prop Vol. 02                                                    http://sc4devotion.com/csxlex/lex_filedesc.php?lotGET=2790

        8. jestarr’s BSC MEGA Props - JES Vol02.dat                               http://sc4devotion.com/csxlex/lex_filedesc.php?lotGET=338

        9. BSC’s BSC MEGA Props - Misc Vol01                                         http://sc4devotion.com/csxlex/lex_filedesc.php?lotGET=426

        10. VIP Girafe’s Narcissus                                                              http://sc4devotion.com/csxlex/lex_filedesc.php?lotGET=2964

        11. VIP Girafe’s Daisy                                                                     http://sc4devotion.com/csxlex/lex_filedesc.php?lotGET=3251

        12. Simfanatik’s FBI Suburban                                                      https://community.simtropolis.com/files/file/25635-fbi-suburban/

        This version of the Courthouse is intended to use with the CAM 2.1 MOD by InvisiChem:

        InvisiChem’s Colossus Addon MOD 2.1:                                        https://community.simtropolis.com/files/file/30956-colossus-addon-mod/

        Optional and recommended (but not required):

        airman15’s Police Car/Van Conversion Mod:                               http://community.simtropolis.com/files/file/30528-police-carvan-conversion-mod/


         

         

         
        If you want to see the national flag on this lot, you’re also required to download and have this in your plugins folder


         

         
        AmericanFlag.dat:                                                                           https://community.simtropolis.com/sc4-maxis-files/


         
        NOTE: If any of the above dependencies require additional dependencies, you’ll need to download and put them in your plugins folder as well.


         
        You must be registered and logged in into the STEX and the BSC File Exchange LEX over at SC4Devotion in order to see the download buttons. Please bear in mind that there are separate logins for the forums and for the file exchange at SC4Devotion.

        4 - FINAL WORDS

        Updated Version 3.0.1:
        This is a total new conversion intend to use with the Colossus Addon MOD 2.1 by InvisiChem. I adjusted the statistic values to work with this MOD. You’ll need the Rush Hour Expansion set fully patched to 1.1.640.0 or a Digital version patched to 1.1.641.0 to use this release. Enjoy!

        Disclaimer:
        This lot was tested intensively without any problems, but if you have issues/problems with it, please feel free to PM me here! Please read this Readme carefully and make sure you have all dependencies installed properly.
        I am not responsible for any problems with your game using this BAT. Use at your own risk!

        5 - CREDITS

        Once again: Credits for the original BAT go to Sgt Pepper, credits for all the other dependencies go to the BSC-Team, Seraf, shokthrpy, KingOfSimcity, Girafe and Simfanatik! Thanks to T Wrecks for the inspiration how to create a good Readme-file! Without their creations I wouldn’t be able to create this Reward. Thanks a lot, guys! Happy New Year!

        markussaage, April 14, 2018

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