Additional Public Transit

[Distanced 114]

23 hours ago, Mr_Maison said:

Really nice! Just one thing...can you make the guard rails shorter by half? It's usually around 3-4 feet high for the track workers. They are almost as tall as the trains (see images below). Other than that you're doing an AWESOME job!

 

 

Hold on hold on hold on - what theme is this? It's not steel, it's not vanilla soooooo..?

[Delta2k5 311]

3 minutes ago, TransitAuthority said:

Hold on hold on hold on - what theme is this? It's not steel, it's not vanilla soooooo..?

Actually this is steel... 

[Mr_Maison 2,426]

57 minutes ago, rovapasi1 said:

Here is a screenshot from a the station with 2 Metro and 4 train tracks (Vehicles: M5 and S1 Metro and Dutch Sprinter trains from @accessviolation) The metro lines was created by deleting the metrotrack1 (On the screenshot the empty one) and replacing after line was build on metrotrack2. Metrotrack2 is directly connected to a depot - Metrotrack1 is currently not connected to a depot.

I'm not sure if it's relevant but I don't think we can mix 2 different lines to one station. In one of my older cities, I plopped a 4 track station thinking I can have my inner-city (closed from regional tracks) and regional lines share it but one side would not work. It may have to be all metro or all regional etc. not a mix. Maybe one day we will have a mod that addresses that.

[andreharv 1,197]

ooooh yeah lol. ok the clipping thing is a regression.  I had a quick fix for the ground clipping through the tracks.  I will fix this in a soon to come update.

[Mr_Maison 2,426]

29 minutes ago, Delta2k5 said:

Actually this is steel... 

Wood and Steel! I love that we can see through the tracks like in RL

[rovapasi1 53]

@Mr_MaisonIt works fine exect the little bug placing lines. Its a modular station, so each track are a station themselve so there is no mixed mode exept both transport systems are using the same pedestrian paths to reach their plattform

[Mr_Maison 2,426]

Just now, rovapasi1 said:

@Mr_MaisonIt works fine exect the little bug placing lines.

In my experience in order for all platforms to get used and make lines, the tracks had to be connected to the same network. I was able to make a line on one side but not the other. But maybe your case is different. Someone with more understanding will chime in on this hopefully.

39 minutes ago, TransitAuthority said:

Hold on hold on hold on - what theme is this? It's not steel, it's not vanilla soooooo..?

You can activate the steel/wood tracks in the options of the mod before loading your city.

[rovapasi1 53]

@Mr_MaisonThe tracks are connected to the same network. And its not one station, its like building a station next to another. So every station is ONLY connected to its respective network. I build internal and external networks and use this type of stations to connect my networks in one station. I have another station where track 1&2 are local train, 3&4 external train (outside connection) and track 5 is local train again. Here I can place lines on all tracks. The metro is mixed the same way, only starting a line is not possible on any metro tracks - only on the first one.

EDIT: In a setup where 1-4 are train tracks and 5 is the only metro track I can start a line.

[Mr_Maison 2,426]

6 minutes ago, rovapasi1 said:

@Mr_MaisonThe tracks are connected to the same network. And its not one station, its like building a station next to another. So every station is ONLY connected to its respective network. I build internal and external networks and use this type of stations to connect my networks in one station. I have another station where track 1&2 are local train, 3&4 external train (outside connection) and track 5 is local train again. Here I can place lines on all tracks. The metro is mixed the same way, only starting a line is not possible on any metro tracks - only on the first one.

EDIT: In a setup where 1-4 are train tracks and 5 is the only metro track I can start a line.

I notice in your post with the image you say one metro is not connected to a depot.....does both metro tracks have some way of connecting to a depot?

[rovapasi1 53]

@Mr_MaisonThat was due to testing. Here is a screenshot with 4 of 6 tracks used.

• Track 1&2 metro (M100 - M5 - S1)
• Track 3&4 Sprinter trains stopping at the station
• The two empty ones (track 5&6) are for an internal express line and an external train connection.

 

The blueish track is the one where I can only start a line when the other metro track is deleted but then everythink works fine.

[Delta2k5 311]

 

Here we go, created some short clip of the texture thing and some sounds I created out of other files - I love how CO fixed finally the sounds! (As you can hear they FINALLY implemented doppler and fading effects!)

[andreharv 1,197]

@Mr_Maison Yeah I can see why CO didn't make their tracks this way.  All of the steel tracks take up at least a couple thousand tris/segment  The see through ties are about 1000 tris alone...I was thinking of making a low tris version later...

...As a side note, after seeing @Tim The Terrible's rails, I may need to redo those as well as the third rails (though that is going to probably cost another 1000tris/segment too.  One of the challenges of modeling is figuring out where to maximize details that people typically look at and minimize unseen parts to offset the cost.  Honestly I don't have a good grasp of how much tris counts impact performance nor do I have a legacy machine to test with (i7 47690k, 32gb ram, 8gb vram, ssd) so if people have concerns please let me know.

[Delta2k5 311]

3 minutes ago, andreharv said:

@Mr_Maison Yeah I can see why CO didn't make their tracks this way.  All of the steel tracks take up at least a couple thousand tris/segment  The see through ties are about 1000 tris alone...I was thinking of making a low tris version later...

...As a side note, after seeing @Tim The Terrible's rails, I may need to redo those as well as the third rails (though that is going to probably cost another 1000tris/segment too.  One of the challenges of modeling is figuring out where to maximize details that people typically look at and minimize unseen parts to offset the cost.  Honestly I don't have a good grasp of how much tris counts impact performance nor do I have a legacy machine to test with (i7 47690k, 32gb ram, 8gb vram, ssd) so if people have concerns please let me know.

Tris count of "normal" models don't matter that much I'd say. Imo it's more important to keep the lods tris level low, as in C:S the draw distance of the "normal" models is quiet short. - Congrats btw, we nearly got the same rig (same CPU, same RAM, but instead of those 8gigs I got 6 - instead I got two SSDs combined to a Raid 0 virtual disk lol)

[andreharv 1,197]

That's great to know!  (both the rig specs and the draw distance).  I know on low quality settings the draw distance is shortened considerably and then lods after that.  I keep my lods pretty reasonable imho.  For example, by far the biggest tris hog atm is the steel bridge at 5100 tris exactly (I have not cut a lot of corners with these models.  I'm like a kid at christmas...once I develop something cool, despite the pricetag, I don't want to put it back or settle for something cheaper).  Yet, I would forecast that the lod tris count should be <100 tris.  I still have a ways to go with the lods though (I honestly hate making them).  As a general rule, I will let people know again at launch that concrete uses roughly half the tris of steel so people with perf concerns may want to stick to that (again, lods will be reasonable either way).

*Period*Enter*Tab*

By the way, I must say that I am really glad I started this alpha.  You guys have been amazing at pointing things out have been really patient with the release schedule and lack thereof.  I am catching the vibe that you guys would prefer a completed project than something released now which is what I want.  I will talk with @BloodyPenguin some more about a few issues with the logic issues discussed like @rovapasi1's.  Thanks guys.  You all are the best!

I will try to get the bridge finished up today.  How is the color?  Saturation of the green/blue for the steel tracks?  Suggestions always welcome.

[andreharv 1,197]

@Delta2k5Those tracks sound amazing BTW. I need that in my life!  On the other hand, the sirens with those added affects by CO sound really weird (unless they have fixed it)...makes the already bad sound of emergency vehicles sound like dying and suffering animals as the pitch modulates rapidly  

[Delta2k5 311]

11 minutes ago, andreharv said:

I will try to get the bridge finished up today.  How is the color?  Saturation of the green/blue for the steel tracks?  Suggestions always welcome.

Thanks for the kind words I snipped away  It's also great to see one takes feedback serious

For the coloring: I quiet like it even if it seems to be less dark irl - maybe you could tweak that a bit, but you don't have to imo

 

Oh, yeah - well, I replaced those sounds by american siren sounds from Emergency 4s LA mod - so that sounds great  To do so I use this mod:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=641341874&searchtext=siren

You can simply replace the .wav files provided by this mod with your own ones, so it's quiet simple

[bsquiklehausen 190]

8 minutes ago, andreharv said:

I will try to get the bridge finished up today.  How is the color?  Saturation of the green/blue for the steel tracks?  Suggestions always welcome.

Saturation looks good to me - overall it seems dark though - I've attached a picture of an NYC subway overpass.

Additionally - the steel supports seem incredibly spindly once you get over 15m  - I know there's no dynamic support generator, but maybe we could get some more robust options (cross braces, wider stanced legs, etc.) as Network Skins options or separate props?

[Mr_Maison 2,426]

I plan on making some signal props.I think that would be the icing on the cake. And hopefully LinuxFan can get Traffic Manager working for metro to make it even more realistic.

[Delta2k5 311]

Just now, Mr_Maison said:

I plan on making some signal props.I think that would be the icing on the cake. And hopefully LinuxFan can get Traffic Manager working for metro to make it even more realistic.

Did you already talk to him about that? I wrote a comment once, but I don't think he saw that...

6 minutes ago, bsquiklehausen said:

Saturation looks good to me - overall it seems dark though - I've attached a picture of an NYC subway overpass.

Additionally - the steel supports seem incredibly spindly once you get over 15m  - I know there's no dynamic support generator, but maybe we could get some more robust options (cross braces, wider stanced legs, etc.) as Network Skins options or separate props?

I think @Mr_Maison could provide those additional support versions later on as he already created such supports in before

[Thomas67 12]

The video looks great. When will the MOM released ?

[Delta2k5 311]

6 hours ago, Thomas67 said:

The video looks great. When will the MOM released ?

Thanks.

Nobody really knows when, even @andreharv don't  (He wants to create the best possible first version  )

[Thomas67 12]

8 minutes ago, Delta2k5 said:

Tanks.

Nobody really knows when, even @andreharv don't  (He wants to create the best possible first version  )

i hope it will be released soon !
PS : you can look at my new york series with the old metro..My NYC can't wait for YOUR Metro Overhaul Mod

 

[wojtason 113]

This game is too perfect  Nice video !

[Distanced 114]

@Delta2k5 I have steel enabled and that's not what it looks like. Going to re-download the files.

[Distanced 114]

This is the only theme that I have and it doesn't look like the steel/wood tracks.

 

[Mr_Maison 2,426]

6 hours ago, Delta2k5 said:

Here we go, created some short clip of the texture thing and some sounds I created out of other files - I love how CO fixed finally the sounds! (As you can hear they FINALLY implemented doppler and fading effects!)

Can we add our own sound effects to assets now?

[Delta2k5 311]

52 minutes ago, Mr_Maison said:

Can we add our own sound effects to assets now?

Kinda - not "out of the box" for sure. I just use the Siren Replacer Mod linked above to change the sound of all metro trains at once, but you could have a look at the stuff Acc3ss Violation and Thaok are working on:

http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/discussion/780720853/305510202682500891/

Since today you can write own plugins for the Vehicle Effects Mod - as you can see in Thaoks clips there are really neat combinations possible now

(I still had not tested this by myself)

[andreharv 1,197]

3 hours ago, TransitAuthority said:

 

This is the only theme that I have and it doesn't look like the steel/wood tracks.

 

Nah...that options panel is a bit misleading.  I mean sure make sure it is checked but when you go into the game, try to run a stretch of metro track and you will see small dialog box toward the right side giving you some options.  

[Distanced 114]

@andreharv Ohhhh, okay. I probably could've figured that out by now, but my savegame is refusing to load.

 

[skallben 21]

Been away for a while and just wanna ask: Is MOM-alpha stable post-patch?