Hollow Earth Theory

[Gannet 34]

Hi I found an interesting article about the hollow Earth theory.The arguments given here seem logical enough.What do you guys think?Is it real science,popular science,or pesudo science?

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/janhol.html#Def

[basty_goofy 24]

It's $%&^! science.

[Mithrik 562]

That's definitely one of the craziest theories I ever read.

[blunder 1,079]

/facepalm

Seismic Wave Propogation alone takes this theory, crinkles it up like so much tinfoil, and kicks it straight into the garbage can.

That person in the link you posted, Gannet, needs to do some more reading and less typing.

[SilverCyric 130]

Ok, the very first thought I had reading the first 3 paragraphs is that mass and gravity would be greatly effected, if the Earth were hollow. The entire article goes on and on, but only the last sentence addresses the issues of gravity and mass. The reason why it seems logical and appealing is because the earth does work on a series of cycles and it is our job to become proficient in technology and understanding before the next civilization destroying disaster occurs. Because most technology is derived from our fear, better defense weapons, and our laziness, products being developed for the individual consumer, for a capital gain, instead of something that could benefit the whole planet, our entire race at no personal gain, i.e. better stronger crops to feed the starving masses. How about the cool 3D printers? Basically a rudimentry replicator. On a big enough scale they could put clothes and shoes and a roof over heads of people in countries that, well, just need it...

Anyways, I digress, imagine that, hehe, but only when he shed our intolerance, and use our resources in concert with one another for the betterment of all mankind, will we be able to overcome the next global disaster. And not to mention how because of the dark ages, a 400 year period where scientists and philosophers were burned at the stake, we are seriously behind. Some scientists believe we would be colonizing other planets by now...

But simple science... Gravity, it's like time and electromagnetism. It's virtually everywhere, all the time. Everything functions within a set of parameters. Our reality, and the reality is that the Earth is the perfect size, shape and mass to sit just far enough away from the sun for life to develop and come up with notions such as everything being hollow. ; p We couldn't maintain our orbit, even the way planets are formed doesn't subscribe to a Hollow Earth Theory

But, on the other hand, from a tangent view, everything is basically hollow in a sense. Atoms are comprised mostly of space, and atoms combine to form molecules, which is the building blocks for matter, which is what defines space in relation to itself and the other half of the equation of the universe, time...

So all this space is kept open by the electromagnetic feild created by the opposition of the electrons circling around the nucleus. Now if you were to remove all the space in between the electrons and the nucleus(protons and neutrons) from all the matter that comprises the Earth and everything on it, all the real actual matter would be the size of a grain of rice... I don't know about you but that's pretty wild!! Haha!!

But, I'll be the first to admit I don't know everything, and maybe one day I'll be walking along and, well does the word fall technically apply here?, well, fall into this hole and be like, whoa, dude was on to something... : )

I am glad you shared that though, thanks

[LexusInfernus 908]

Utter and complete nonsense only good for science fiction or something. 1200 mile wide holes that go all the way in at the poles? The very simple fact that a hollow earth would fall apart? No, this theory is not even pseudo science, its just fantasy.

[Indiana Joe 1,750]

We've already determined through extensive seismological studies that earth's core is mostly made of iron and nickel. Definitely not hollow.

[Ganaram Inukshuk 906]

Look, the NorthernEasternSouthern Lights!!! (@2:37)

Also imagine how dense the crust would have to be... Enjoy your space radiation. (The important part I'm making is that a Hollow Earth would mean that we'd be all fried by space radiation.)

  Edited January 15, 2013 by Ganaram Inukshuk  

[RipRap 4,400]

If earth is hollow... :|

What happened to F=(G(mass1xmass2))/r^2? and to magnetic field explanation on earth?

[Duke87 1,070]

This is reminding me of Time Cube. An even better website to read if you want your brain to explode.

The idea of a hollow or semi-hollow earth is not new (Jules Verne's Journey to the Center of the Earth draws on this idea), but modern understanding of physics has long since put it to rest.

[SilverCyric 130]

If earth is hollow... :|

What happened to F=(G(mass1xmass2))/r^2? and to magnetic field explanation on earth?

Yeah!! What he said!! : )

[astronelson 339]

Amusing. Complete and utter nonsense, but amusing.

If earth is hollow... :|

What happened to F=(G(mass1xmass2))/r^2? and to magnetic field explanation on earth?

Oddly, so long as the hollow Earth had the same mass as the actual Earth and the mass distribution was spherically symmetric, there wouldn't be any difference at all in the gravitational field outside it.

However, inside the hollow Earth there would be no net gravity from the giant hollow sphere at all, rather than a force of equivalent strength as we have out here pulling you towards the "surface" as Lamprecht suggests. There would be a tiny force from the rotation of Earth, but this peaks at about 0.0034g at the equator and decreases as you travel further away.

[7238320 77]

@ Gannet

Absolutely nothing wrong with thinking outside the box and inviting conversation.

As you have found this community can be an opinionated, vociferous crowd. but we love the opportunity to discuss ideas, no matter how ' far out' an idea / theory / postulation may be...

Thanks for posting.

[sneakeypete 16]

The earth can't be hollow, its flat.

[MandelSoft 2,769]

If the earth was hollow, it would've collapsed under it's own weight. There's a reason why every object is spherical when it reaches a certain size: it's the most stable geometric shape. This does include a solid core to push the outer layers back.

Besides, the hollow earth theory would also not explain:

- Earth warmth

- Volcanoes

- Seismic waves

- The earth's electro-magnetic field

- The mass of the earth (6.24*10²⁴ kg)

So I would mark this as utter nonsense

(and another thing: the sun actually SHOULD collapse under it's own weight. However, nuclear fusion, the thing that gives our sun energy, gives enough push to stop the sun from collapsing.)

Best,

Maarten

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

In the 1930s, Edgar Rice Burroughs wrote a novel named "Savage Pellucidar" in which a hollow earth was postulated. Strictly entertainment by the author of the Tarzan and Mars books.

Junk science.

[NMUSpidey 3,956]

I got about three paragraphs in before I realized it wasn't an ironic name for a clever theory and that the guy was serious about it. I may be getting slow in my old age. Anyways, I think the daily earthquakes here in Japan would argue the point about our planet being hollow.

Oh, and Blunder, let me help you out with that:

[Gannet 34]

Basically what the idea of the hollow Earth theory is that there is a star in the center of the hollow Earth and we live o the outside. there are two holes on the poles that curve inward and lead to the inside world,called Agarti by the Tibetans and Asgard by the Scandinavians.

The hollow Earth websites say that God made a world for people to live there. Olaf Jansen claimed he visited that world via the north pole entrance. Various polar explorers have seen a "mock sun",in fact according to this website they have gone on the rim and seen the inner star. If you go in a continuous direction beyond the rim of the "hole" you won't even notice it because the curvature is so slight. You can sail across the polar sea and reach land. The icebergs of the polar sea are made of fresh water not salty, perhaps they come from inside world? Olaf Jansen says that he reached the inner world and the garden of Eden is located there. He claims

to have met people 14 feet tall! As all points inside are equidistant from the central star,the area is constant tropical climate. This is favorable for plants to grow and there have been grapes the size of oranges! According to Olaf Jansen the people are tall and healthy because of this and they have advance technology.Radiation from outer space does not affect them because they live on the "inside" . There is a plateau on which the garden of Eden sits and four mighty rivers flow from it to the polar ocean.They are 10 kilometers wide. The people live up to 600 years.In Genesis,it says that before the flood people lived (presumably in inner earth for that age. There was a flood that came through the land and Noah and his family build a ship and got washed through the polar ocean and into the outer world and we are his descendants. Some people still survived the flood and lived in the inner world.

You can read Olaf Jansen's story here;

http://www.ourhollowearth.com/PartTwo.htm

When I first read it like a fictional composition.

All this information I got from related hollow earth websites.So what do you guys think?I tend to think of myself of being a creationist loosely and the hollow earth theory seems to explain genesis. Is Earth hollow or is it solid?

[LexusInfernus 908]

When I first read it like a fictional composition.

Perhaps that is because it is a fictional composition.

[Wiimeiser 436]

In the 1930s, Edgar Rice Burroughs wrote a novel named "Savage Pellucidar" in which a hollow earth was postulated. Strictly entertainment by the author of the Tarzan and Mars books.

Junk science.

There's actually a comic series taking place in a hollow Earth, I had one of the old Warlord comics at one point, the one where the main character revisits his origin story.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

@Gannet: If hollow earth had a star in the centre, what kind of star would it be? Remember the diameter of the earth is very small compared to a star of any kind known except,perhaps, neutron stars that do not shine. Neutron stars are theoretically on the brink of becoming singularities. The people who advocate this are welcome to be near such a thing, but I have no desire to be turned into event horizon spaghetti. The physics alone for the magneto-hydrodynamic pressure militates against such a thing.

[Gannet 34]

They say that polar explorers view the "mock sun" , central star to be smaller then the real Sun so maybe it is not a conventional hydrogen fusion star.

Imagine a hallow ball that is analogy to hollow Earth. If it had two holes in it then any object approaching 90* to the holes would just fall in; however,if an ant walks on the inside through the hole into the outside like normal. But we are proportionally much smaller then the ant so going on the rim through the hole without even noticing it. Anybody on a spacecraft going inside the hole perpendicularly will notice the hole.

Let's say that gravity pulls people down on the "outside" world. If the distance between the outside and inside world is 500 miles or more then the "center" of gravity is in the middle distance between the two walk able surfaces. Actually the "center" of gravity is not a center in the sense but actually a field of gravity around the hole planet in the middle distance.So people on the "outside" get pulled "down' and people on the "inside" get pulled "up".However if you stand on the inside you would get the perception that you are being pulled down because of how the human eye works.

According to the scientist who wrote this article above If there is an internal star then it would not crash into the internal surface of Earth due to photons that it spills out hit the surface and keep it in place by the law or action/reaction. I think this argument is true because the solar wind (photons) blows away atmospheric gases so only the outer planets are gas giants. And it can even push a spacecraft far away if you have a "sail" big enough.

[astronelson 339]

They say that polar explorers view the "mock sun" , central star to be smaller then the real Sun so maybe it is not a conventional hydrogen fusion star.

Imagine a hallow ball that is analogy to hollow Earth. If it had two holes in it then any object approaching 90* to the holes would just fall in; however,if an ant walks on the inside through the hole into the outside like normal. But we are proportionally much smaller then the ant so going on the rim through the hole without even noticing it. Anybody on a spacecraft going inside the hole perpendicularly will notice the hole.

I'm pretty sure we'd notice a massive hole in the Earth, especially if we were walking through it. The 1,000-mile thick chunk of earth 1,400 miles away would be rather apparent. The moon's only about twice that big, and over 170 times further away, and we can see that quite clearly. These guys would notice it at least, since they're right in the middle of where the hole is supposed to be.

Let's say that gravity pulls people down on the "outside" world. If the distance between the outside and inside world is 500 miles or more then the "center" of gravity is in the middle distance between the two walk able surfaces. Actually the "center" of gravity is not a center in the sense but actually a field of gravity around the hole planet in the middle distance.So people on the "outside" get pulled "down' and people on the "inside" get pulled "up". However if you stand on the inside you would get the perception that you are being pulled down because of how the human eye works.

The gravitational field inside a hollow sphere is zero everywhere. You wouldn't be pulled to the surface at all.

Since, in this suggestion, there is a star in the middle, you'd fall towards that and either hit it or orbit it.

According to the scientist who wrote this article above If there is an internal star then it would not crash into the internal surface of Earth due to photons that it spills out hit the surface and keep it in place by the law or action/reaction. I think this argument is true because the solar wind (photons) blows away atmospheric gases so only the outer planets are gas giants. And it can even push a spacecraft far away if you have a "sail" big enough.

He's not a scientist. Reading books is not an experiment, he has zero knowledge of physics and even less of geology. He produces no evidence in support of what he says, and there is a great deal of evidence that falsifies his claims.

[Alejandro24 575]

Hollow Earth? Isn't there Agartha? The subterranean kingdom that the Nazis sought in the Desert of Gobi.

[KonstantinII 1,106]

The author of that article states that there is a 10% chance that Earth could be hollow.I agree with that idea because all scientific evidence that we have today contradicts hollow Earth theory but if a scientist would prove this theory I think he would win the Nobel prize and I would believe him.For now hollow earth theory is unproven but there is much speculation.

Books like Alice in Wonderland have been written about it as Alice fell down and discovered the inside world "where people walk upside down". For now nobody can prove that he has actually visited hollow Earth.

The author of that article states that there is a 10% chance that Earth could be hollow.I agree with that idea because all scientific evidence that we have today contradicts hollow Earth theory but if a scientist would prove this theory I think he would win the Nobel prize and I would believe him.For now hollow earth theory is unproven but there is much speculation.

Books like Alice in Wonderland have been written about it as Alice fell down and discovered the inside world "where people walk upside down". For now nobody can prove that he has actually visited hollow Earth.

...err sorry for the double post

[MandelSoft 2,769]

Let's say that gravity pulls people down on the "outside" world. If the distance between the outside and inside world is 500 miles or more then the "center" of gravity is in the middle distance between the two walk able surfaces. Actually the "center" of gravity is not a center in the sense but actually a field of gravity around the hole planet in the middle distance.So people on the "outside" get pulled "down' and people on the "inside" get pulled "up".

Sorry, but that's not how gravity works. Heck even if the earth were hollow, the center of gravity would not concentrate in the surface, but it would still remain in the center (how do I know that? Pure geometric knowledge about how to find a center of gravity in any object). So there's no "up-pulling" gravity, because if you think that's gonna happen, you forget the whole other side of the earth that's full of mass, pulling you in the other direction.

According to the scientist who wrote this article above If there is an internal star then it would not crash into the internal surface of Earth due to photons that it spills out hit the surface and keep it in place by the law or action/reaction. I think this argument is true because the solar wind (photons) blows away atmospheric gases so only the outer planets are gas giants. And it can even push a spacecraft far away if you have a "sail" big enough.

Well, your "scientists" has missed a few lessons in astronomy, physics and geology. I have multiple problems with this reasoning:

1. If solar winds blow away all gas, then how do Earth and Venus still have thick atmospheres? (answer: earth's magnetic field, which actually requires a liquid metal core)

2. Fotons that push our earth back into place. Sorry, but I don't think fotons are THAT strong. Besides, if it did, you couldn't have claimed meeting people on the inside of the earth; they would be crushed by the immense force that's keeping the earth into shape. Also, if that's so, and if it happens in any planet, then how are they in an EXACT equilibrium with their inner star?

3. Also, stars are not that small. They need a reasonable size to get enough heat and fuel to start nuclear fusion, which makes the sun shine. If that does not happen, you get a brown dwarf. And there are a lot of brown dwarfs that are several times bigger than earth. If they can't start their fusion process, how on earth would you power an inner star?

3. If and only IF the theory were true, then how do volcanoes work then? With general theory, magma is very hot material originating from the core. Where does all the magma and earth warmth get from? Not the central star, because if it did, you could never have claimed to meet people on the inside of the earth; it would simply be too hot. Also, we wouldn't have polar ice caps in this theory.

[LexusInfernus 908]

Imagine a hallow ball that is analogy to hollow Earth. If it had two holes in it then any object approaching 90* to the holes would just fall in; however,if an ant walks on the inside through the hole into the outside like normal. But we are proportionally much smaller then the ant so going on the rim through the hole without even noticing it. Anybody on a spacecraft going inside the hole perpendicularly will notice the hole.

We have mapped the Earths height in very great detail thanks to modern satellite mapping techniques. Thats how we mapped the sea bottom in such great detail as well. Anyways, here is a picture of it.

Red means the place is high (mountains) blue means its below sea level. Now, do you see any holes on the poles? Antartica is actually a lot of mountains, so is Greenland, and the north pole is not actually land, but just ice floating in the sea.

Your 'scientist' would have know how wrong he was if he had ever bothered to do attend geography 101 on preschool or look at a height map of the world.

[astronelson 339]

The author of that article states that there is a 10% chance that Earth could be hollow.

Not quite - the author says that he thought there was a 10% chance the Earth is hollow, which is entirely different. The actual probability lies much closer to zero. He merely has a very poor ability to correctly estimate probabilities.

I agree with that idea because all scientific evidence that we have today contradicts hollow Earth theory but if a scientist would prove this theory I think he would win the Nobel prize and I would believe him.For now hollow earth theory is unproven but there is much speculation.

If someone proved that the Earth was hollow I would not only eat my hat, but also the rest of my wardrobe, my computer, and a house. There is no speculation. None. There is a woefully misinformed and misguided small number of people who have absolutely no understanding of science who throw their ideas out into the public arena.

It doesn't even fulfill the scientific criteria to be called a theory, since it has no evidence supporting it. I grant that it is a hypothesis in that it is quite easily testable (go the the poles and look for the holes), but in that it has already been falsified (we've seen the poles, there aren't any holes).

Books like Alice in Wonderland have been written about it as Alice fell down and discovered the inside world "where people walk upside down". For now nobody can prove that he has actually visited hollow Earth.

While Alice in Wonderland is an interesting work, it is still entirely fictional, and doesn't quite count as an account of anything in real life.

And unproven it shall remain, since the Earth is not hollow.

[LexusInfernus 908]

And unproven it shall remain, since the Earth is not hollow.

I think its safe to say that its proven to be nonsense that he actually went there, since its just as much proven that the Earth is not hollow as its proven that the Earth is not flat.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

To give Alice her due, this:

"You are old, Father William, the young man said

"And yet you incessantly stand on your head.

"In my youth, Father William said to his son I feared it might injure the brain.

"But now, I am sure that I have none, and I do it again and again."

Oh yes, and the earth is flat. How does this reconcile with hollow earth? :kitty: