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Couple of workarounds: a. Asset Editor - Load Asset - Load Sbahn - Use EAE's load function and load the set again. Then edit the config and save as new train. b. Asset Editor - Load Asset - Load Sbahn - Edit config by using EAE's add/remove cars function. Save as new train c. Asset Editor - New Asset - Select Sbahn as engine and then add cars by using EAE's add/remove cars function. Save as new train. Seems you tried this one already and game is glitching.. this never occured to me in this setting so I also suggest to download sbahn train, put the file in local and try with noworkshop mode, only with EAE. Not being able to select trains in the IPT happened to me as well once, so it's not relevant to your case. But if it happens and config you'll make out of this set will be equally broken. I usually delete broken assets (ones that can't be selected), then reload the game then: Asset Editor - New Asset - use any train template (usually mine) - import my stuff.

Continuing over Steam conversation; 1. Station track is just a track with pedestrian path attached as a lane. Other than that it's identical to a standard track. The main problem, as far as i know that there's a maximum distance between each node. That distance is not enough to keep a train inside, so when you pass that limit, node breaks and track is rendered useless. 2. XL train would still fit, in a way. Trains always stop on the middle of the track, so if stop tracks are positioned at the center of the station, back portion would be outside the station. This is obviously not ideal look. It can be bypassed with a bunch of potential solutions; a. Creating additional buildings, separately, working as platform extensions. They will not function as a train but rather a place holder to fix overhanging trains on tracks. The main issue here is, entire complex will be too long to be practical. b. Placing station tracks asymetrical. It will look complicated but it will work. Assuming outer edges of the elevated section are actually subbuildings: I would place 1 track on edge platforms, in asymetrical way. Central piece would get 4 tracks as usual. When all are connected, 1 platform on each edge should accept XL train, since they are asymetrical placed, 2 tracks / 4 platforms would function with XL trains on opposite directions. Central tracks, would also work, but only with 2 inner tracks allocated for standard/longer lenght trains when there's a presence of XL train. XL tracks would be connected with one lane tracks to the rest of the network so XL trains wont approach from wrong direction and causing most of the train set remaning outside the station. Alternatively you can play this configuration a bit: Keep asymetrical ones there and remove outer tracks on central piece. The issue here will be which side will be accepting trains ? If the user use the station as a central station, aka. in a configuration that it accepts trains from both directions, it's fine. If it's going to be used a one direction inbound, one XL platform will not be used. There's another alternative for it and I think it's the best solution; turning station into a modular building. c. Modular The most complex solution. In theory, Sub buildings can be turned into actual buildings in a semi-modular environment. You keep central piece as usual. Then you release outer portions as modules with and without tracks. That way, the user can plan their station as it's needed. If one side-approach exists, they can plop 1 module with tracks, 1 without, so XL trains will always stop on track-ed module. Trackless module will function as a placeholder. If there's a bi-directional approach, user can plop track module on both ends. The advantage of modular approach is that users can disable each module as local/regional, so no train will spawn. That way the train spawning can be regulated without cutting the station off from the rest of the network. The main question on modular station config is to connect modules' pedestrian paths. They has to be aligned perfectly by the user, or you need to use invisible pedestrian "roads" to connect modules to the central piece. d. Config B from modular as station Another option would be removing tracks from on edge, keep central tracks, and 1 or 2 tracks on one edge for XL train stops. User can rotate the station for a unidirection inbound. As for bi-directional operation involving XL trains, it wont be used obviously. Again, just as option b, user will use one way tracks from Module 2 to the rest of the network, so they wont be used by XL trains. Or they can simply create a fake station on the edge of the map and set their custom line which will allow XL trains to approach from Module1 - Station - Module2. Alternatively, you can disable 2 tracks on Module2, so any train incoming from Module2 direction, passes through to stop on central or Module1. Otherwise I always recommend to cut off network and use XL trains with a fake station located on the edge of the map to keep train load regulated by the user. As for underground tracks, in each scenario they are 20u lenght by default, no need to work on them for XL compatibility they can be used as SBahn as well. As for connecting tracks between each module, I would not connect them, so users can select any track they want to connect.

Did you talk with BloodyPenguin about ETST ? It'd be easier for existing workshop stations to be updated with network versions of the ETST tracks since no one will update all these stations that were released. Not gonna enter code-wise way of things but I believe an update would be possible on ETST directly instead of rerelase and rely on other creators. I just explained this in my previous message. You will get CR support for wired tracks and there will be non wired tracks separately released. So diesel/electric mixture will be possible.

@Bad Peanut I think there's a misunderstanding here. As I've been advising @Ronyx69 since the beginning, I should clarify certain elements for everyone. First, let me recap what this mod is about: 1. It replaces vanilla and ETST station tracks, 2. It adds a set of train tracks that end-user is supposed to use as new rail tracks and/or upgrade his existing network via upgrade function in road tool. (Like workshop roads) It does not overwrite vanilla standard tracks, as Ronyx already explained it. So if someone wants to use vanilla jell-o tracks for some weird reason, he can do that without disabling the mod. Assuming something happened and Railway has to be disabled, he can also do that. The danger at this level is the same as what happens when you disable any other custom road and load your save. As for what comes after MOM, that depends to the MOM team. It does not mean that we have to wait them for rail overhaul or make stuff completely incompatible/non-changeable between each other. I talked with Tim and we agreed that Catenary Replacer will support Railway after the release, so users can pick whatever the catenary style they want for their tracks, should they want to use something else. Ronyx will also release source material for users who want to make custom networks (HST, mountain cog, or basically bridge style networks etc.) for Railway mod. Station placement will also be handled via UI, so users can plop station with or without wires or with different pavement/sleeper. This will all handle vanilla and ETST used stations and networks. To summarise all this: a. If the end-user wants to use vanilla-only network, he uses vanilla only network, Railway is not needed. b. If the end-user wants to use actual train tracks, he subs to Railway mod: He gets i. Mod+UI that replaces vanilla and ETST station tracks and ability to customize station track before plopping it and ii. a generic set that is composed of gravel/concrete superstructure + wooden/concrete sleeper that has ground, elevated, bridge and tunnel segments. c. If the end-user wants to use better tracks with custom made tracks aside ETST, these will be taken care of case-by-case basis. I think you are overestimating the ability of creators who can make custom train tracks. There are not many train tracks in the workshop that is actually unique and useful. Aside Shinkansen, Japanese generic rail and Chinese HST, there's no custom networks on the workshop. (Except SimoG's bridge/arched ones). As I said, these will be handled case by case basis, and most of them does not involve adding extra option to Station Tracks, so creators can simply update/release Railway compatible tracks. d. If the end-user wants to use vanilla-only + ETST and any other custom vanilla tracks, he can still do that, Railway is not needed. Mod itself is already versatile enough to handle most of the available/wished combinations, so I dont see the point of making bazillion of different networks, or basically port-over all rail networks released on Workshop to Railway mod. Most of the railway networks released in workshop are either based on vanilla network + *add some catenary here* or jeren's tracks + *add some catenary here*. These are waste of space and shall be ignored straight away. Special train networks such as Chinese HST or Japanese Shinkansens wont be included as they do not interfere/serve the same purpose as vanilla rail does and these have their own stations. If someone wants to make a custom train network: a. he can either use vanilla rail/sleeper (then I have to ask you "Where's custom in this"), and make it compatible with vanilla. He then open his track in road editor and replaces superstructure, that should not take hours to make, relatively easy task. b. he can directly make his network to be compatible with Railway mod and ignore vanilla track style. I can understand your frustration that point a requires 2 separate asset but unlike what you suggested it is actually safer approach to handle rail replacement, because 1. it's not a mod but a road, 2. we never planned an environment that user keep or use vanilla rails. The point of making custom network should be making custom network, not use vanilla asset/elements. I hope this clarifies. Cheers

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Alright, after reading your posts I made some tests as well; 1. My previous assumption that 27unit stops may work was based on the fact that, when you dont 'cut' train tracks in order to get lenght, it adds up 1unit from each end that makes 27unit total. That was false as I found out myself during the testing. 2. As for maximum track lenght, I can verify that 25units -that is 200m- is functional both as terminus and through stop. I was able to assign line stops with ASS, by holding down shift key. You can check screenshots here. Station track in question is vanilla stop track, perhaps it's related ? That's to be verified with an elevated train station template. Station in question is Kopfbahnhof 3. I can't verify on how spawn works but if they are the ones that determine local/regional stops, then removing them from outmost tracks would solve the issue. Keeping mid section open to regional lines seems ideal as it will prevent congestion on shorter tracks. @Bad Peanut, must be ETST then, because AFAIK vanilla doesnt have elevated tracks, which he's using right now. He should try 25unit tracks as ground see if it's the case

That's weird because @Emperor Li reported something similar with elevated train station tracks. I believe it was also working for him in local then stopped working for some reason

What is the stop track lenght ? Also do you have advance stop enabler by Bloody Penguin ?

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Advanced Stop Selection. Never saw the need of Spawn Point Fix, i tested without it and it's working fine. 1. Creator needs to use "reset spawn points" option in advanced buildings editor, after stretching tracks. That's it. 2. The workshop subscriber needs to use "Advanced Stop Selection" mod, to use extra long tracks for line assignment, otherwise he/she won't be able to click on them. If it's working, it's fine. You will have to warn users beforehand since tracks will glitch during the regional spawning of most of the workshop trains. 128 meters is roughly 16 units, that is the default station length. For a user that is using non-default trains it will mostly glitch. Since it's one station, user wont get to choose which platform can be used for regional/local spawning and game assigns regional "spawn" points randomly; so it might as well end up the shortest, or the one in the middle. The solution in this case would be use the station only for local spawning and asking people to create an 'inbound station' outside the map and create train line from it. If you wish I can try to work on 2x215 platforms, see if i'll get the same issues as you had

Guide is not wrong but it misses certain issues. While it's true that 168m is the maximum lenght, this can be bypassed easily with 2 mods that everyone uses and must nowadays. I just tested my European terminus and it has 28unit long stops. That is approximately 8x28=224m, which is more than enough to create 2 stops per platform configuration. I also tested whether it accepts passengers or not, and it does. So 224m is possible and you should, in theory 215x2 platforms. Meanwhile, 1 suggestion if it's still doable: i'd avoid adding 40m stops, it's roughly 8 units long, i believe it's a bit short even in-game station (which is shorter). There's another station in workshop that has shorter stops like that, and it's causing issues on spawning regional trains where they can't be disabled. Therefore, I'd go with 215m x 2 config where pretty much anything can be spawned without issues.

Looks even more gorgeous now @Emperor Li Are they single platforms or did you separate them into 2x215m ?

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