Does the Lot Editor have a limit on props on a lot?

[Lazarou Monkey Terror 1,836]

Currently relotting the massive "Tropicana Casino" and I've reached a point where the program isn't saving my most recent additions. It says it saved fine, the file shows it's been updated yet when I open the lot in SimCity or the Lot Editor those additions have gone! 

[SIM-ple Jack 17,445]

33 minutes ago, Lazarou Monkey Terror said:

Currently relotting the massive "Tropicana Casino" and I've reached a point where the program isn't saving my most recent additions. It says it saved fine, the file shows it's been updated yet when I open the lot in SimCity or the Lot Editor those additions have gone! 

When you first make the lot, save it with a new name. Come back in and edit it and just hit save. You have created a savfile. Put the lot and savfile in a folder. Open the lot back up again and make edits. Save. Now take that savfile and put it in the folder. You'll be asked if you want to replace the original. Say yes, and done.

[Lazarou Monkey Terror 1,836]

I must be missing some key part of the process here.

How do I get the .sav files to show, I only see those files when I'm editing with SC4Tool.  I think that may be where I'm going wrong 

[Krisman 4,645]

13 hours ago, Lazarou Monkey Terror said:

Currently relotting the massive "Tropicana Casino" and I've reached a point where the program isn't saving my most recent additions. It says it saved fine, the file shows it's been updated yet when I open the lot in SimCity or the Lot Editor those additions have gone! 

Hi @Lazarou Monkey Terror, I believe you are correct. There is a maximum limit to props on a lot.
I've ran into this as well, at some point the props added are just not saved anymore (unless you remove a prop).

Not sure what the max count of props is (quite a lot), but I had to split some of my larger lots to make it work.

[Tyberius06 12,209]

Hi!

4 hours ago, Krisman said:

Hi @Lazarou Monkey Terror, I believe you are correct. There is a maximum limit to props on a lot.
I've ran into this as well, at some point the props added are just not saved anymore (unless you remove a prop).

Not sure what the max count of props is (quite a lot), but I had to split some of my larger lots to make it work.

18 hours ago, Lazarou Monkey Terror said:

Currently relotting the massive "Tropicana Casino" and I've reached a point where the program isn't saving my most recent additions. It says it saved fine, the file shows it's been updated yet when I open the lot in SimCity or the Lot Editor those additions have gone! 

There is a maxismum ITEM limit on a LOT which includes the textures (both base and overlay), props, land and water marker tiles etc... If I remember correctly this limit is around 1280 items per lot.

Edit: This limit applies in both Maxis LE and SC4 PIM-X too. The difference is that PIM-X won't let you add any new item when you reached the limit. It will pop an error message up to you. Maxis LE however a cheeky-sneaky mosta and wouldn't send any warning. You would just keep adding the props, saving the LOT and upon testing you will see missing props randomly on those places where you remember to. And it will not be obvious which props are getting removed. Maybe your last 10 props will be on the lot but what you put in the middle of the lotting process will be removed... One more reason SC4 PIM-X is more recommended to be used than Maxis LE 

- Tyberius

[Honolulu 2,773]

Newbie's question (maybe I should create a topic for that and not contaminate this one)

SC4 PIM-X and SC4 PIM Extended are 2 different programs?

[Lazarou Monkey Terror 1,836]

Darn it! Pretty sure I've hit that limit with this massive lot. 

Going to have to delete and prioritise some stuff I guess? 

[Lazarou Monkey Terror 1,836]

1 hour ago, Honolulu said:

Newbie's question (maybe I should create a topic for that and not contaminate this one)

SC4 PIM-X and SC4 PIM Extended are 2 different programs?

This has me confused too, contaminate away! 

[Tyberius06 12,209]

28 minutes ago, Honolulu said:

Newbie's question (maybe I should create a topic for that and not contaminate this one)

SC4 PIM-X and SC4 PIM Extended are 2 different programs?

Nope. They are the same. X = Extended. Also when you see the reference of X-Tool, that also refers to the PIM-X aka SC4 PIM-X. (Bear in mind that X-Tool - which is the other name for PIM-X - is NOT the same as the old SC4Tool). But let'smake it clear the namings of the different available tools.

• PIM/Plugin Manager or Maxis PIM - this is the original tool provided by the game developers (?) Maxis for creating new building exemplars. It is considered very outdated and it also can provide very out of balance stats for lots.
• LE/Lot Editor/Maxis LE - this is the original LOTting tool provided by the Maxis for manipulating lots (changing textures and props). Apparently Maxis's original idea was to provide this tool and players/custom content creators were adviced to use the existing original lots as templates. Custom Content creator (like a BATter) would create a model then with Maxis PIM would create a new building exemplar what they could use to replace the building exemplar on an existin lot provided by Maxis. 
• SC4 PIM/PIM-X/SC4 PIM-X/X-Tool - it is the advanced lot creator tool. It merges and widely extends the functionality of both the Maxis PIM and Maxis LE, also fixes some of the issues with the older tools. With PIM-X you can create brand new lots from models, you don't need to use Maxis provided templates anymore. 
• iLive's Reader/Reader - the No1 editing tool. There are three versions of it in circulation currently:
  • a) v0.93 - the most stable version
  • b) v1.54 - it has updated UI and some advanced very useful functionality, though it carries some bugs. 
  • c) v1.55 - it might be the least known because it exists as a forum attachment only. It tries to fix some of the bugs from the previous version, though it has its own bugs. 
    For the most of the editing works all 3 of them could be used, all of them have their own benefits and cons, for basic editing procedures any of them is great, for advanced editing options you need to find out which one is the more suitable for you. 
• SC4 Reader/Tropod Reader v1.55 - it is very similar to the other Reader, but it has a different UI and different editing options. 
• SC4Tool - it could be found on the SimcityPlaza/SimcityKurier/SFBT site, though it is down as well, so probably it's gonna be rehosted somewhere. It is an universal editing tool with many options, the 3 most known and popular functionality of this tool are:
  • a) Transit Enabling Editor - the only easy way to do TE modding on LOTs (like stations etc...)
  • b) Dependency tracking/listing - it can show whether a lot file has all the dependencies and shows the IDs of the missing dependencies.
  • c) texture extraction and creation - it's a bit tricky as it seemingly provides a texture range for creation, however that is only a TEST range and SHOULD NOT BE USED even for your own creation, but definitely not for releasing contents. 
• iLive LE Prop - it is also a powerfull editing tool, which is specialized editing different stats in the building examplar with a user friendly UI. 

There are also a few different kind of Icon editors/creators.

[Honolulu 2,773]

@Lazarou Monkey Terror: Thank you for letting me contaminate your post.

@Tyberius06: Thank you for bringing me out of obscurantism.

[SIM-ple Jack 17,445]

On 7/12/2023 at 9:10 PM, Lazarou Monkey Terror said:

I must be missing some key part of the process here.

How do I get the .sav files to show, I only see those files when I'm editing with SC4Tool.  I think that may be where I'm going wrong 

You should get a savfile every time you save, providing your lot is in a folder.

On 7/13/2023 at 5:46 AM, Tyberius06 said:

There is a maxismum ITEM limit on a LOT which includes the textures (both base and overlay), props, land and water marker tiles etc... If I remember correctly this limit is around 1280 items per lot.

That explains why my initial attempts, years ago, came to failure. Nice to have a number(not that I'm going to keep count whilst working). I try not to load up my lots with props, so I have space for mmp's. Allows me to give a different look to the same lot.

On 7/13/2023 at 3:09 PM, Honolulu said:

obscurantism

Brb! Going to look that up.