Default Pause

[huzman 445]

In SC3, when founding a new city, the game starts paused. In SC4, it starts at turtle speed.

Is there a way change the SC4 settings to work like SC3? This will help a lot without having to use the date cheat.

Cheers!

[CorinaMarie 29,865]

My research indicates the answer is no. The best workarounds I found are:

On 3/10/2015 at 4:05 PM, Cyclone Boom said:

You could try pressing [Ctrl] + [ ' ] to pause the game, as soon as the new tile has loaded.

 

If you'd like to pause on 1/1/00, I've found this to be easier than reaching across for the pause button.

On 3/7/2015 at 0:19 AM, Indiana Joe said:

The date is relative. You can let the game clock run for 100 years and start a city up no problem. There's no cheat to auto-pause the game, but with Buggi's extra cheats you can set the date to whatever you want.

 

Along with:

On 3/8/2015 at 9:56 AM, Prophet42 said:

I believe the city tile will open at whatever speed you last saved it in.  So if you save it paused, it should open paused.

^ Which is correct.

[huzman 445]

58 minutes ago, CorinaMarie said:

pressing [Ctrl] + [ ' ] to pause the game

I suppose that @Cyclone Boom is refers to Ctrl + (apostrophe «'»).

I jus tried it. Didn't work with either WIN 8.1 or XP. In XP, no problem since the Ctrl + Pause are easy to find and works perfect. But the newer comp with WIN 8.1 has some strange key layout and I can't get to work the Ctrl + Pause keys.

1 hour ago, CorinaMarie said:

@Prophet42 said: I believe the city tile will open at whatever speed you last saved it in.

That's true, but like I said in the first post, I'm talking about founding a new city.

Yes, there is no cheat for Pause but there is one "forceidle). But by the time one can get to the cheats, it's too late.

[CorinaMarie 29,865]

3 hours ago, huzman said:

I suppose that @Cyclone Boom is refers to Ctrl + (apostrophe «'»).

It's not the apostrophe it's the one that looks like it, but leans the other direction. It prolly has a name tho I don't know what it is. On my plain 101-key keyboard it's to the left of the number 1 along the top left of the board. It's on the same key as the tilde. ~ (I've tested it and it works for me and pauses the game.)

In a big font: ` instead of '.

[jeffryfisher 2,176]

Right -- It's control-back-tick. It makes sense if you look at a standard keyboard while trying all of the speeds -- The back-tick is up there with the number keys used (also ctrl- keys) for the other speeds (back-tick, 1, 2, 3).

[huzman 445]

18 hours ago, jeffryfisher said:

It's control-back-tick.

What do you mean by "Tick"? back-tick ? (back-tick, 1, 2, 3) ?

 

20 hours ago, CorinaMarie said:

In a big font: ` instead of '<.

Right, my lady. I found the key you are talking about. Got to try that, as soon as I leave this post.

 

20 hours ago, CorinaMarie said:

(I've tested it and it works for me and pauses the game.)

Which one of the two pauses the game? Ctrl + ` or ' ? Remember,  I'm trying to find a solution to WIN 8.1, no problem with XP3.

[CorinaMarie 29,865]

9 minutes ago, huzman said:

Which one of the two pauses the game? Ctrl + ` or ' ? Remember,  I'm trying to find a solution to WIN 8.1, no problem with XP3.

It's the ` tho I only tested in XP myself. I can't image it should be different within 8.1 since this is an in-game key combo.
But, knowing MicroSloth they prolly borked it just to annoy peeps.

[rsc204 21,863]

7 hours ago, CorinaMarie said:

It's the ` tho I only tested in XP myself. I can't image it should be different within 8.1 since this is an in-game key combo.
But, knowing MicroSloth they prolly borked it just to annoy peeps.

This would have nothing to do with MS for the most part. The keyboard you use and configuration setup will define what happens when you press a key. I.e. If your keyboard is correctly configured (QWERTY / AZERTY etc, along with localised variants like US/UK), then the keys will correctly display.

Try opening a text file, see if when you press the key, you are getting the right character. If not, either check the configuration in Control Panel or work out which key does give the desired character and work-around it.

For reference I use German keyboards but configured to switch between UK QWERTY and German input. Since I can type on a UK keyboard without having to look at the keys, this works out just fine. As I can switch to German mode with a shortcut and get access to the Umlauts and other special German characters with ease. The point being, if you were typing the keys as you see them on the keyboard, in UK mode, you'd not get the characters you'd expect.

[huzman 445]

5 minutes ago, CorinaMarie said:

knowing MicroSloth they prolly borked it just to annoy peeps.

MicroSloth I can understand. "prolly" "borked" ? I wish you could speak French. I do enjoy your comments a lot.

[CorinaMarie 29,865]

3 minutes ago, huzman said:

"prolly" "borked" ?

Prolly is silly girl speak for Probably. Borked has a very similar meaning to another word with the same number of characters starting with the letter which is between E and G (alphabetically) and having a different vowel in the second position. (Neither are proper English, but I'm not proper either so it works out ok.)

[huzman 445]

21 minutes ago, CorinaMarie said:

but I'm not proper

That's the good side of you. I love iconoclasts and political bashers. Still, wanna do that dictionary?

[CorinaMarie 29,865]

4 minutes ago, huzman said:

Still, wanna do that dictionary?

Naw. I never wanted to do a dictionary. I already know what I mean. You can take notes tho as you discover more Cori-speak.

[Silur 3,308]

I think You should write in the title SC3000 !!!I don't want to open a blank topic for me !!! 

[jeffryfisher 2,176]

17 hours ago, huzman said:

What do you mean by "Tick"? back-tick ? (back-tick, 1, 2, 3) ?

Somebody wanted to know what the keystroke for pause was. I found the name: the backward angled mark is called a "back-tick", so the keystroke for pause is ctrl-backtick.

The sequence "back-tick, 1, 2, 3" is a set of four adjacent keys near the upper left corner of a standard 104-key keyboard. If you look there, you will see them all in a row.

This puts all speed-control hotkeys together in order from paused to cheetah.

[CorinaMarie 29,865]

11 hours ago, jeffryfisher said:

... a flame war that nobody wants.

Yeah, let's not have that.

@huzman and @jeffryfisher: Let's call it a punch and counter-punch and get back to just the topic itself. (Or I can remove those related remarks from both posts.)

 

Mod Edit: Both posts above have been toned down.

[Cyclone Boom 17,031]

This is interesting...

My keyboard layout (UK) is almost identical to:

 

Using [Ctrl] + [ ' ] still does the trick for me as highlighted above.

I'd suspect a combination of keyboard and or regional settings are the culprit here. Whatever works though that's the main thing.

 

(Yes, understandably there was a little confusion. But let's discuss the topic not each other please.)

[huzman 445]

11 hours ago, jeffryfisher said:

Please don't be offensive

That's the last of my intentions, if ever... All I wanted was a clarification of what a 'tick' is. Sorry I didn't mean to offend.

I use an "azerty" keyboard which makes all those Shift + n and Alt + n commands very different.

As can be seen, it doesn't have the same symbols. There is a Pause key in upper right corner.

BTW, the Ctrl + Pause works well in the XP machine but not in the WIN 8.1 one.

 

11 hours ago, CorinaMarie said:

(Or I can remove those related remarks from both posts.)

I think it's a good idea. Jeez! I seem to screwing things up without trying or meaning to.

 

[CorinaMarie 29,865]

5 hours ago, huzman said:

Jeez! I seem to screwing things up without trying or meaning to.

I suspect a language difference is the culprit. I've replied to your PM and I hope it explains why what you said was a bit offensive. (I have edited both posts here in this thread to remove those parts.)

 

So, now back to the original topic.

[huzman 445]

Good girl! I hope this closes this most unpleasant -and unwilling- thing.

[rsc204 21,863]

17 hours ago, huzman said:

As can be seen, it doesn't have the same symbols. There is a Pause key in upper right corner.

It's one of the characters on the key 7 by the looks of things. I guess you need to use Alt Gr + 7 to use it - that's the Alt key to the right of the Space Bar, the left one does different things.

Whilst the Pause key may seem like it would "Pause", it's really not its intended purpose. But I don't know why Windows versions would have anything to do with it. At a code level, each key has an ASCII value, which is a number. This number is sent to the O/S and it decides how to interpret it. If it's doing that differently, most likely that will be your configuration not a change in how Windows works. That or a difference in hardware.

[jeffryfisher 2,176]

5 minutes ago, rsc204 said:

I don't know why Windows versions would have anything to do with it.

Each installation of each OS could have different localization settings.

6 minutes ago, rsc204 said:

each key has an ASCII value, which is a number. This number is sent to the O/S and it decides how to interpret it

Close, but I think you put ASCII at the wrong level of abstraction. Each key combination sends some signal(s) to the host machine, and those bubble up through drivers installed in the OS that translate them into something like ASCII (or UTF-8 etc). In other words, the communication from keyboard doesn't become an ASCII code number until sometime after reaching the OS.

As a result, apps can subscribe to raw keyboard input to detect the difference between right-shift-(key) and left-shift-(that same key). The sorts of apps that do that are your first-person-shooters and the like that use a keyboard like a game console instead of as a text input device.

Long story short -- The keyboard sends raw electronic signals that have no meaning whatsoever until something on the receiving end assigns such a meaning. Everything we have learned to expect from our keyboards is pure convention. Internationalization offers us tiny glimpses into the cracks between conventions -- cracks through which the occasional game token falls.

[huzman 445]

On 6/9/2017 at 3:01 AM, rsc204 said:

...use Alt Gr + 7

Argh! Just to bring this topic up to speed:
On the HP machine with WIN 8.1 the keyboard has a weird layout. For instance, to use the functions keys one has to use a special  fn key with the chosen function. And the right Shift key has 'pause' to be used with the fn key. But in this case one has to use Ctrl+fn pause.

The Alt Gr + 7 doesn't work at all in WIN 8.01 or XP.
BTW, that looking symbol -on the 7 key- is ascii with ALT96` and its opposite is  ALT239´.

Q.E.D.

[CorinaMarie 29,865]

7 minutes ago, huzman said:

But in this case one has to use Ctrl+fn pause.

Ok, so this means you did solve this?

[huzman 445]

In my case, yes , but only in my case and other HP comps of course.

[CorinaMarie 29,865]

1 minute ago, huzman said:

In my case, yes

Your case is the only one of concern right now.

[huzman 445]

10 hours ago, CorinaMarie said:

Your case is the only one of concern right now.

This concerns HP machines, so it concerns other HP users, n'est-ce pas?

[Fantozzi 4,068]

On 7.6.2017 at 5:49 PM, CorinaMarie said:

It prolly has a name tho I don't know what it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grave_accent

[CorinaMarie 29,865]

4 minutes ago, Fantozzi said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grave_accent

That name makes it sound like partial highlights for a tombstone.

[Fantozzi 4,068]

32 minutes ago, CorinaMarie said:

That name makes it sound like partial highlights for a tombstone.

OFF TOPIC

Basically it's the same origin as the term you have in classical music - so to call it 'tombstone music' then - this would even nail it.

[huzman 445]

What's all this? You lost me you guys!!