Real Highway (RHW) - Development and Support

[TheQuiltedLlama 34]

what's the big problem? haljackey didn't claim they were his pictures and gave due credit, why shouldn't members at Simtropolis be able to have a look at what is being developed.

All credit to the NAM team for all their endless contribution to the Simcity community (except filasimo), but sometimes your superior attitude can be very annoying.

[Haljackey 17,388]

toxicpiano: I have a direct link in my signature, so it is there in every post that I make.

[jplumbley 5]

Originally posted by: TheQuiltedLlama what's the big problem? haljackey didn't claim they were his pictures and gave due credit, why shouldn't members at Simtropolis be able to have a look at what is being developed.

All credit to the NAM team for all their endless contribution to the Simcity community (except filasimo), but sometimes your superior attitude can be very annoying.quote>

 

The NAM team has essentially moved on, ST is taking a different direction and in the near future SC4 will be pushed to the background more and more until it is just a few helper threads here and there.

Why do we not want Haljackey (or others) reposting our developement updates?  There are a few answers to this question and none of them are egotistical or "superior attitudes".

1. When Haljackey reposts our work he often adds extra comments.  In many cases these comments are not fact, they are his speculation and he mis-interprets what we have said or have not said.  He also gives bad information when helping others sometimes too and we are always attempting to clean up the mess.  All that needs to be done is post a link saying ask your question at SC4D and you will get your answer there.

2. It is mis-leading for members who visit ST to expect help in this thread.  The two original creators are gone, the project has moved from here to SC4D and there is nothing to be said here.  The NAM Team does not want to have to frequent two sites just to answer questions of why this isnt working or why something wasnt included, etc.  I dont think it should be expected of the NAM Team to do this because we are real people too with real lives to live.

3. Our work is for us to post.  When we update a thread it is generally for people to see what we have been doing.  When Haljackey reposts our pictures, from a general member standpoint it makes it look as if he is helping out and is a member of the development team.  How would you feel if you created a CJ and someone started posting you CJ in another website without your permission?  It doesnt matter that he is giving credit, it is just not very respectful when we have asked him nicely to stop in the past.

The goal is to prevent mis-conceptions and mis-information.  Haljackey is the leading culprit in starting rumors that are not true...  You dont have to look any further than the NAM Developement thread.  He took 3 images with wider OWRs,   

The first is a texture by Mikesieth for a OWR-5.

The second is an experimental picture I posted a year ago after an experiment that I did, and Haljackey got the citing wrong by crediting Tarkus for it,.

The third picture is a picture from Ilikehotdogs, its from his CJ I think and is a lot (not a protoype) like Haljackey said it was.  Considering the fact that I am the modder behind this project, I think I know what is happening on it.

Finally, Haljackey was saying OWR-5 will be released with the first release of NWM/NAM...  Again this is wrong and he is spreading mis-information.  So, yes, when he spreads mis-information, reposts updates without permission, I think we are entitled to get a little angry.  I know you would be too.

[Xyloxadoria 1,098]

Originally posted by: djlee1999 I so cant wait for this to be released, it'll be a nice stocking stuffer quote>

Looks inside stocking

Hmm, Ive got some candy and whats this, oh a disk?

The stuff here looks great, i live in Kansas, and this stuff looks just like what is around here. Kansas is mostly rural so i see this kind of stuff alot.

[Fresh Prince of Wmbg 44]

Another great advancement of Sim city 4 technology has been reached........................

EDIT-Im holding back the tears.

[vester_DK 477]

Fresh Prince and Xyloxadoria did you read jplumbley's post ?

[Filasimo 1]

Originally posted by: TheQuiltedLlama what's the big problem? haljackey didn't claim they were his pictures and gave due credit, why shouldn't members at Simtropolis be able to have a look at what is being developed.

All credit to the NAM team for all their endless contribution to the Simcity community (except filasimo), but sometimes your superior attitude can be very annoying.quote>

Mjig thats very disappointing that comment coming out of you. and rather pathetic to take a cheap shot that you have made. knowing that you are also a content creator as well and butting in situations that you are not apart of is pretty sad. why dont you stay out of peoples battles and stop singling people out bc in a way you have lost respect from some members in this community. everyone in the NAM team including me have in some way contributed to this community. what have you done lately? it seems to me lately you have been stirring up a storm with your arrogant and ignorant comments. so please save us the time of reading any further obnoxious comments and stay out of people's business. thank you

[Mikeaut1 261]

Please do NOT attack someone personally. Everyone a part of a team on Simtropolis has contributed to the community. No one is singlehandedly left out. Please let's not start an argument here as it is uneccessary.

[nerdly_dood 26]

I do feel left out, but only because my computer is retarded and it won't let me make any of the transit texture mods I want to make.

[Fresh Prince of Wmbg 44]

Originally posted by: vester_DK Fresh Prince and Xyloxadoria did you read jplumbley's post ?quote>

 

Just did 

 EDIT-haljackey, is this true?

[jplumbley 5]

Originally posted by: Fresh Prince of Wmbg

Originally posted by: vester_DK Fresh Prince and Xyloxadoria did you read jplumbley's post ?quote>

 

Just did 

 EDIT-haljackey, is this true?quote>

 

Ummm... do you think I make this stuff up for the chance to start a fight?  I am one of the co-developers who are working on this project right now, I think I know what I am saying.

[ilikehotdogsalot 311]

Originally posted by: Filasimo

Originally posted by: TheQuiltedLlama what's the big problem? haljackey didn't claim they were his pictures and gave due credit, why shouldn't members at Simtropolis be able to have a look at what is being developed.

All credit to the NAM team for all their endless contribution to the Simcity community (except filasimo), but sometimes your superior attitude can be very annoying.quote>

Mjig thats very disappointing that comment coming out of you. and rather pathetic to take a cheap shot that you have made. knowing that you are also a content creator as well and butting in situations that you are not apart of is pretty sad. why dont you stay out of peoples battles and stop singling people out bc in a way you have lost respect from some members in this community. everyone in the team including me have in some way contributed to this community. what have you done lately? it seems to me lately you have been stirring up a storm with your arrogant and ignorant comments. so please save us the time of reading any further obnoxious comments and stay out of people's business. thank youquote>

sounds very much like what you have been doing for the last few months.

[Ryan B 35]

Whoa, whoa, whoa - everyone take a step backwards and take a deep breath.

[Mikeaut1 261]

As per my post above, I think this little argument should end now, it's only moving towards finger pointing and "he said/she said".

I don't know if I'm entitled to an opinion about this matter, since I am not in modding or creating custom content. I hardly know the details as to what you guys are discussing, but I want to learn more about it, and from what I gather from your posts, it seems as if Haljackey is posting updates on the development of this project here, without prior permission from leaders of the project. If I'm not right, someone please correct me.

Jplumbley wants updates of this project to be done on SC4D and Haljackey can provide a link to the SC4D forums where this project is being developed... right?

From these observations, I'd like to share my opinion on the matter:

The NAM started off here. It's been around for a really long time and has gone through many leaders/helpers. Even though the majority of the project is currently on SC4D now, I still think members of Simtropolis should be notified with new updates on the project, pictures, etc. Why I don't think Haljackey (or any one reporting on the status of the project for that matter) should merely just post a link to SC4D for new information is because there are still people on Simtropolis that do not wish to use SC4D and would only like to stay on Simtropolis. This is in no way a diss towards SC4D, it shouldn't be taken like that. I think though that many people wish to stay and keep Simtropolis as their primary source for SC4, since it already contains ten thousands of custom content. Also, the NAM originated here. I know the move from ST to SC4D was logistical, but I don't see the reason why Simtropolis cannot also be informed of future updates/news on the project. And it doesn't matter who notifies Simtropolis in this thread either. As long as ST is being notified. But, if people are going to notify Simtropolis on future updates, it would be the BEST thing to get proper permission to update Simtropolis before posting pictures and links that is not their work. From working with the Simtropolis Help Squad for over 3 years now, and being a senior editor, teams need to know what to tell publicly, because some things might be leaked that aren't supposed to. In this case, Haljackey has been accused of saying some things that are strictly his opinion and that don't represent the ideas of the team. But in essence, since the NAM is #1 on the Mods list, the most essential download on Simtropolis, and a project that has a mass following, I think it would be common courtesy if a copy of a news update on the project was posted in this thread from time to time. This lessens the stress of new members especially, because no new member wants to shuffle here and there for some custom content. And Simtropolis sees many dozens of new members each day, all looking for custom content.

Again, this is just an opinion, and I stand by it, but I think it would really help things flow. I don't want to sound like the person to direct things because I am totally not in that position. And I have not a clue on modding or BATting. But I think it is common courtesy to have an update here on Simtropolis, regardless of who does it, but that person who does update must have proper permission from the leaders of the NAM team.

[dolphin66 5]

This is simply my own opinion and thoughts on this subject from a custom content creators point of view. What I create is mine and mine alone. I choose where it's uploaded, I choose what is showcased etc etc. When I upload something, it's because I want to share that creation with the community but under no circumstance does that give anyone the right to tell me where it should be or how it should be showcased or updated.

What Haljackey is doing is wrong. He is going against their wishes, updating without permission and giving false info. This is not his project, his creation and simply has no right to be doing so. Keep crapping on them, they will crap back sooner or later and I don't think anyone will like the end result of that. I would be livid if someone was doing this with my creations.

[Haljackey 17,388]

Well everyone has posted some excellent comments on this matter, I wish to clarify some things:

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For the text below, please understand that I mean no offense to any member, team or site.  I am not in any way trying to attack someone/something directly or indirectly.

Ever since the dis-continuation of updates in this thread, I, from time to time, have been posting updates here from the thread over at SC4D.  I have done this for a few months now with no problems arising.  However, apparently, my most recent update of the project has stirred up quite a controversy.  Why this post and the ones in the past? I am not sure.

Since my last update, some members who have accounts over @ SC4D have requested me to post a link to the project @ SC4D instead of providing updates here.  I have since replied that I will respect their wishes and will take it into consideration from now on.

Ever since the RHW team stopped updating the RHW thread (here @ simtropolis, the place where the RHW project, along with then NAM originated), there have been many comments/questions from newbies, long-time members, and everyone inbetween about the project.  Followers of the project (including myself) have done what we could to respond to their comments and answer their questions as best as we could without the aid of updates here from the RHW team.  Unfortunately, the accuracy of our answers isn't 100% since we are not the ones who are working on this project, but I can assure you that we have done the very best we can to help answer the questions.  If we could not respond to questions nor post updates here this thread would just freeze and die.

Being a huge supporter of the project and a creative user of the labours of this project, letting this thread die would be like taking away the whole project from Simtropolis as well as the entire Sim City community.  This is where the project began, this is where the project developed, this really is where the project belongs.  Having said that, I understand the circumstances why the NAM and RHW teams decided to relocate to SC4D, and I in no way will try to stop them. Having another RHW thread in another Sim CIty site is perfectly fine in my eyes so that the members on that site can follow the development of this amazing project.  I wish every Sim City site in the community could have a RHW thread, but due to the enormous time it would take to update the project and answer all the questions at each site, I can understand why this just isn't feasible. However, as this thread states in its name, this RHW thread is the "Home for news, updates, requests, and help pertaining to the RHighway tool." Although some may disagree with me, this is the home of the RHW project.

Although the "new home" for the project's updates is @SC4D, this is (or really should be) the place to go for "news, updates, requests, and help pertaining to the RHighway tool", as it says in the name of the project.  Updating this project somewhere else isn't a problem, but this thread, AKA: "Home-Base", should always be informed about the activities its other bases have.  obviously, this is bias because I am someone who has followed the project since day one and the fact that I am and always will be loyal, or "devoted" to Simtropolis.  Please understand the point that I am coming from. 

This is much more than if I took a picture from someone's City Journal or BAT and claimed it was my own by posting it again somewhere else.  I am not a member of the RHW/NAM team, I am sure you are all aware of that.  I am just a regular member, and that is all I want to be.  I am not trying to post updates here for personal gain or for "self promotion at the expense of others", it really is because I care about this project.  I know others care about the projec

[Tarkus 6,933]

I believe it is time for one of the "sleeping giants" to awake here.

Haljackey, I realize you may have meant well, but the fact of the matter is, your "updates" have, in fact, spread misinformation.  To an untrained observer (namely these "newbies" you mention), they might, in fact, get the idea that you are indeed a member of the team, particularly this most recent update. 

The fact of the matter is, people move, things change, and that includes the location where we, the RHW team, call home.  Simtropolis does not "own" the RHW project or the RHW Team, or any other custom content creator or team.  The project belongs to the current developers--it is their intellectual property, and it is their choice to decide how and where to showcase it.  The "home base" should be wherever the developers want it to be.  We've chosen SC4D.  We have the right to update or not update any of our development threads.

Originally posted by: haljackey If we could not respond to questions nor post updates here this thread would just freeze and die.

Being a huge supporter of the project and a creative user of the labours of this project, letting this thread die would be like taking away the whole project from Simtropolis as well as the entire Sim City community.  This is where the project began, this is where the project developed, this really is where the project belongs.  quote>

You are mistaking Simtropolis for the entire SimCity community.  There are still signs of life on the RHW Project elsewhere, and having this thread die would likely have very little effect on the community or on the future of the project.  The community is bigger than just one site.  Most of the followers from the time I've been involved with this project have followed it over to SC4D, and the RHW thread is thriving there.  The entire community is welcome to visit the thread there, and it is easy to become a member--not anymore difficult than signing up for Simtropolis.  

Again, the project belongs to the current developers and it is our choice how and where to disseminate information about our project.  Dirk has said that anyone is free to leave the site if they are more comfortable elsewhere, which is what we have done, more or less.  I should also point out that while we do not update this thread anymore, we are still planning to upload the future versions of the RHW mod to the STEX. 

Just for everyone's convenience, here's a link to the new RHW Development thread, where you can find information about our future plans for the project, including the Modular Interchange System.  I hope to see you all there.

https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/index.php?topic=990.0

If anyone wishes to discuss this matter further with me, they are more than welcome to send me a Private Message.

Best,

Tarkus

[bakercity 270]

People, We are all the same no matter which site we are registered or moved to. I do understand that some of you don't like SC4Devotion, but I am probly the only one who likes both SC4Devotion and Simtropolis. Both sites are great. Simtropolis: Forums Games, Friendly people and my CJ. SC4Devotion: Friendly people, threads like this one (RHW and NAM), and picture threads. I mean no harm, but I thought I should give my two cents worth of my opinion. JKB

(Okay, you all can start talking bad things about me and this post of mine.)

[dedgren 830]

As there are probably about 100,000 new members over here, let me introduce myself. I'm David Edgren, an assistant administrator over at SC4 Devotion. I have been a member here at ST for about 3-1/2 years and had a modestly popular CJ here- Three Rivers Region- that I still update from time to time.

I have tried to be a voice up to now that there is one SC4 community that manifests itself across a number of fansites. While I have had harsh things to say about ST in the past (in particular about the server problems last fall and winter that ultimately led to 3RR taking the trip, so to speak, "across the street"), I value my membership here and, with a few exceptions, enjoy fairly cordial and open relations with the ST admins and mods. I have tried to help iron out differences between the two sites and have left custom content that I created while here (waterfalls, rapids and the 3RR maps) on the STEX because that's where it started out. I solicited help for the wide and diagonal runways I've been working on here, and post in various threads as time permits. Again, I value my ST membership and want to continue to make a contribution here.

I read things, though, like Mike saying this

In this case, Haljackey has been accused of saying some things that are strictly his opinion and that don't represent the ideas of the team. But in essence, since the NAM is #1 on the Mods list, the most essential download on Simtropolis, and a project that has a mass following, I think it would be common courtesy if a copy of a news update on the project was posted in this thread from time to time. This lessens the stress of new members especially, because no new member wants to shuffle here and there for some custom content. And Simtropolis sees many dozens of new members each day, all looking for custom content.quote>

and I simply have to wonder what some folks are thinking. SC4D doesn't compete with ST for the number of things downloaded at one site versus the other. It's actually sort of counterintuitive- the more folks who download from SC4D, the more bandwidth we have to provide, and the more money the site costs us to run. That said, we run the LEX (SC4D's equivalent of the STEX) in a very particular (some would say picky) manner, and we take great pains to insure that the things downloaded from there meet high standards and are of uniformly high quality. The LEX, I note, is open to anyone who wishes to use it. We'd like you to register on the SC4D forums as well, but it's not necessary. I (speaking personally and not as aSC4D administrator) view the LEX and the STEX in pretty much the same manner- as community resources available to any SC4 player out there.

Unfortunately, there are folks here at ST who appear to be taking a very parochial view of the situation- exclusive patronage of the STEX is viewed as a test of loyalty, and those who come over and download off the LEX are viewed by some (to include by some ST staff) as the equivalent of turncoats and traitors. Not to pick on Mike (who I certainly don't include among those to whom I've just referred) or without any intent to "out" him, but he's been a member at SC4D for over a year and has a showcase over on our site. He's an ST member, in other words, after my own heart. We don't need no stinking boundaries!

But back to those who do. Haljackey, who is not currently a member at SC4D, makes a big deal about keeping a project in which he has no involvement "alive" at ST. While he was a member, he styled himself at SC4D as "The RHW Go-to Guy." Despite promises to cool this sort of thing, he has simply continued on. This really irritates the folks who "are" the project, asnd makes it appear, when they protest, that this just another SC4D-ST thing. I'm very concerned the same thing is happening, albeit for different reasons, with the NAM and the CAM,<

[Godzillaman 21]

Please anyone don't think low of me......but...why'd they move in the first place? I see no difference to have it here rather than at sc4d, or even both.

[jplumbley 5]

There are a few good reasons.

1. It took Dirk a week to upload the Jan 2007 NAM (of course he was sick so we cant blame him for that). But he was informed well before hand and given the file 3 days early.

2. We have better control over the NAM Board and there is an easier time with in the NAM Private Board

3. The board here always gets cluttered with requests that have been answered hundreds of times and projects get pushed into the background to easily. At the NAM Board at SC4D we have the chance to moderate the Board from scratch and keep it clean.

4. Its a much more "Creator" friendly enviroment, where Creators have an easier time colaborating with each other through PMs and Private boards. And its where many of the leading edge modders have gone to, meaning easier contact with more experienced minds. Plus, as the NAM team we would like to stay together to work together.

5. ST is refocussing on the new games coming out. SC4 will eventually be pushed into the background until it is hardly a community for SC4. SC4D will not be pushing SC4 away anytime soon.

6. SC4D is thriving with custom content... STEX is slowing down... This is a logical observation not an SC4D vs ST comment even though some people will try to make it out to be. 2 years ago STEX had 12 to 20 pages of recent STEX additions what are we at today? An Average of about 6 pages.

7. We dont want to be forced to jump sites all the time looking for questions to answer... We have better things to do, we could be working on our projects to get them released faster, or posting better updates or... Dealing with Real Life which is more important than updating any one website. I personally have uploaded to STEX but kept my developement thread at SC4D for the reason of RLS issues. But I still come here and answer questions from time to time and make sure that people are not spreading mis-information.

[Filasimo 1]

my my hotdogs im not surprised you come butting in the matter either...heed this advice YOU MOST OF ALL HAVE NO REASON TO BE IN THIS MATTER SO KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT! its people like you that tends to escalate discussions into flame wars. anything you say further that is considered uncivil and consititutes instigating cheap shots against other members will be reported to a ST mod so i suggest you stop while you are ahead.

[BigK13 0]

how can i make exits and entrys??

[simzebu 20]

Thank you, BigK13, for getting us back on topic. To answer your question:

Drag a stretch of RHW (Make sure it's converted to the RHW mod, not the one that looks like a road). Now delete a section 3 tiles long where you want your exit to start. Drag one way road in the same direction as your RHW. Then, from that, drag a diagonal section of one way road. I'll see if I can get a picture, but it might be a bit.

Hopefully sometime soon, this will be simplified by the introduction of the Modular Interchange System, or MIS, which will let you draw better looking interchanges, a lot more easily.

[Mikeaut1 261]

Just a little bit of something that pertains to transit and must remind us about the current state of this thread:

(thanks to guinea!)

To those people who want to have a meeting with some staff members to resolve some issues, I'm all for it! Maybe we can start a private topic with the appropriate members invited to discuss everything. That way we can have a peaceful end to this dirty argument.

I have received 2 PMs already about this thread and I bet a lot of us would like to see the problem resolved.

[Meg 368]

Okay, let's go over it again:

The custom content creators are volunteers who are free to do their thing where, when, and if they chose.  

They will share their work where, when and if they chose.

If they are not ready or willing or able to discuss a part of their work here, there or anywhere, that is their prerogative.

[mayorbk 66]

I can't figure out how to create RHWs, can someone explain it?

[Haljackey 17,388]

Hey, mayorbk. Sure, I can explain it.

Follow these steps and you should be fine!

1. Install the NAM (found in the mods and downloads section). Be sure to install the ANT plugin as well.

2. Install the NAM: Essentials (found on the STEX)

3. Install the RHW (found on the STEX or via my signature)

4. Open SC4, preferably in a new city. Drag 2 ANT networks right next to each other for AT LEAST 3 tiles, and the RHW should appear and function properly.

If still have problems, I would consult the README file included with the RHW download.

Also, a step by step guide (With pictures!) is included in the RHW README.

I hope I answered your question mayorbk!

-Haljackey

[BigK13 0]

thank you simzebu

[mayorbk 66]

Originally posted by: haljackey Hey, mayorbk. Sure, I can explain it.

Follow these steps and you should be fine!

1. Install the NAM (found in the mods and downloads section). Be sure to install the ANT plugin as well.

2. Install the NAM: Essentials (found on the STEX)

3. Install the RHW (found on the STEX or via my signature)

4. Open SC4, preferably in a new city. Drag 2 ANT networks right next to each other for AT LEAST 3 tiles, and the RHW should appear and function properly.

If still have problems, I would consult the README file included with the RHW download.

Also, a step by step guide (With pictures!) is included in the RHW README.

I hope I answered your question mayorbk!

-Haljackeyquote>

 

yeah I drag stuff all over and it doesn't work, I think I'm confused-what's the ANT network?