The Mass Transit Discussion Thread

[Craig-Abcvs 1,595]

Originally posted by: soltangris

Well, that's exactly it, it's lacking. After you comment on the fact that something is lacking for 100 times, don't you think it gets redundand?

Look, no offense, you surely have the right to talk about it, I just think the issue was exhausted a month ago. I read some info back in the middle of the thread that there is a chance of mass transit making it into single player as well, but nobody seems to be commenting on that. The entire last page is dedicated at demonising MC....quote>

Gonna have to agree with you there soltangris...   pointing out over and over the same things does indeed get tiresome.

So here is the deal folks...   the thread can stay...  for now...   but I am going to take the pin out and see what happens...  (however moderating is never an exact science...   )

If you feel that you have something really significant to add to the discussion that is simply not raking over the same old stuff...  then please add to it.

If you don't have anything new to add or you simply want to continue whining and complaining...  then...

...please don't.

If there does continue to be repeative posts..   then don't be surprised if they are simply deleted.

[sthudig 0]

I guess my point is...how would a Mass Transit Thread even apply to CXL? The game clearly has none. Perhaps the entire thread needs to go.

[morriswalters 16]

Solo Players currently have no reason to be any angrier than any other player about mass transit, since nobody has it.  However as a point of curiosity, what is there about mass transit that people want.  By that I mean would the presence of things like trains even if not connected to the traffic system, be enough?  Currently in the game traffic doesn't work very well so I'm not sure that anybody is missing anything other than eye candy.  Would eye candy be enough?

Something that MC has implied lately is that some things could trickle down to SP eventually.  An ugly fact of life is that there are very few things that make the PO different then the SP game.  Currently the only thing that sets them apart is a small amount of exclusive content and online trading.  When that changes I believe that the chances of things like buses and trains will slowly be made available to the SP community.  This of course is an opinion and I have no connection to MC.

[Mastaflex 0]

Originally posted by: morriswalters

Solo Players currently have no reason to be any angrier than any other player about mass transit, since nobody has it.  However as a point of curiosity, what is there about mass transit that people want.  By that I mean would the presence of things like trains even if not connected to the traffic system, be enough?  Currently in the game traffic doesn't work very well so I'm not sure that anybody is missing anything other than eye candy.  Would eye candy be enough?

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Apart from traffic moving past intersections one lane at a time in a very unrealistic way, what is it about traffic that doesn't work very well? Trains are one thing to consider if all your talking about is freight but what about buses and taxi cab services to reduce commute.

The thing is my SP cities have traffic issues(not that I really care, the cities run fine even with bad traffic) but why leave out something so glaringly obvious for a city building game such as mass transit? It just doesn't make sense. A city of 1 million + needs mass transit, point.

Whether mass transit is out yet or not is irrelevant if they only plan to add it to the PO mode. I would like this issue raised high enough so that when it does come out it's not some expansion pack money grabbing scheme.

[Mastaflex 0]

Originally posted by: Stef42

As I'm also only playing in Solo, my city gets to suffer because of the stupid Solo Tradingquote>

From my experience in playing solo only, the trading is not as bad as you would suggest. In fact I have to say the solo trading makes perfectly good sense. There must be some other reason your city is suffering(a bad mayor maybe..... oops, I said it.)

[Mastaflex 0]

Originally posted by: sthudig

Ditto...the only reason I check the cxl threads is in the unlikely event MC releases a massive expansion pack within the next 3-6 months. Until then...well, i'll be spending my money, just not here.

In reply to someone else's comment, no, I would NEVER join planet offer for even 2 dollars...or free for that matter. I do NOT want my cities on someone else's server. Period. And a lot of people feel the same way I do.quote>

I am with you 100% on not paying even 6$ for a city building game, money isn't an issue. But and I mean huge but, you are missing out on the newest city building game(which don't come out evey year) and even in SP without mass transit I have been able to enjoy several hours of building much more realistic cities then I could in SC4. Of course I will get bored of it after a month or two but I love city building games and this one was worth the try already.

[rabbij 0]

a letter i received today, from XL team might explain things...

Dear rabbi,

First of all, we would like to thank you for your interest in the Cities XL.

You can count on us, we'll post more info on the subject...as soon as we will be sure about these information. Still no release date for the GEM (probably Xmas), and no price to communicate on.

Regarding the bus system, it's still in progress but will be soon available. We truely would like to have a sharp communication on these subjects, since we know that players are awaiting for it, but we just cannot yet.

Thanks again for playing Cities XL.

Best regards,

The Cities XL Team.

[Sainty 0]

I just wish that we will be able to adjust the buses travel routs just like in Transport Tycoon or what ever the games name was that was fun 10 years ago. If they just lets us plop down a bus station like a building and have no control what so ever, then Im gonna kill my self - I will also kill a cute bunny.

I hate to delete buildings just to put down a bus stop and not having control over the transport system is so 1990. I just really really hope that MC will give us a wow feeling over this! Im so excited! Omg!

[JakeMD 107]

thread read.

Remember folks, it is just a game. ok? Calm down.

[Ephemeron 17]

Originally posted by: soltangris

why doesn´t somebody get to work on bringing SC4´s graphics to present day and somhow add a grid -free road system?

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It can't be done with SC4. It would be like modifying an old Polaroid camera to take digital pictures. If you really wan't 3D graphics in a city-building game, then SC4 is not the answer, unless you decide that 3D graphics are overrated. After all radio hasn't been made completely redundant by TV. In that way SC4 will always be 'the radio of the city-building genre'.

[soltangris 42]

If

you feel that you have something really significant to add to the discussion that is simply not raking over the same old stuff... 

then

please add to it.

If

you don't have anything new to add or you simply want to continue whining and complaining... 

then...

...please don't.

If

there does continue to be repeative posts..  

then

don't be surprised if they are simply deleted.?

 

Oh yes abcvs , that's exactly it! I hope you stick to your intention! This way when we come back to check we can actually find some interesting info, like MC's e-mail that rabbij posted, and not the old and repetitive ranting about how it sucks that there's no mass transit. 

By the way, I agree with morriswalters, that the mass transit will trickle little by little in SP. My guess is that the main reason they're keeping (or actually intend to keep it)  for PO only, is them trying to give PO more edge over SP. With time passing and more content being added to PO, the edge will happen naturally, even without the mass transit being PO-exclusive. And then, SP-folks will be abble to buy it! My guess is that this will happen in 1/2 year (if mass transit comes out around Christmass, for example).  

[Ocram's Razr 963]

This is how the bus system will work: you first place a depot, which unlocks street-side bus stops; there might be a limit of bus stops per depot or there might be only one depot per city. This was originally posted on the original CitiesXL site. The developers said that they had less problems with it than the multi-lane tool and will complete it if not at release then a few months after. Taxis might work the same way. I have no idea how they are going to do subway and train but I hope that you lay down the tracks and place stations, you might need to place a depot but you might not. Buses (and possibly trains, subway, and taxi) will be released in content pack 3 at the end of the year. I would love to buy content pack 3 for Solo Mode and if it is bundled with 1&2 I would be willing to pay $20 (or even the US equivalent of 20 euros). Buses would lower congestion and increase capacity while trains would probably have the capacity of at least a highway but take up the space of a small road.

[meatpie21 0]

That would be totally amazing.

I can pay $30-$40 for mass transit in solo mode but not for Planet offer.

Like most people here, I too don't like the Planet offer.

[Stef42 0]

I would be very nice if Solo players could buy Mass-Transic as a DLC.

Aldo I would pay not more than

[LBII 3]

Depots? Ow, that's bad! Like a bus network absolutely need some kind of terminals to work! In Montreal, bus lanes are mostly related to subway stations, who acts like littte bus depots to ease transferts between buses and subway. « Real » bus depots are rare, only in the last stations of subway lines or on major ones.

Originally posted by: Ilikeseattle

This is how the bus system will work: you first place a depot, which unlocks street-side bus stops; there might be a limit of bus stops per depot or there might be only one depot per city. This was originally posted on the original CitiesXL site. The developers said that they had less problems with it than the multi-lane tool and will complete it if not at release then a few months after. Taxis might work the same way. I have no idea how they are going to do subway and train but I hope that you lay down the tracks and place stations, you might need to place a depot but you might not. Buses (and possibly trains, subway, and taxi) will be released in content pack 3 at the end of the year. I would love to buy content pack 3 for Solo Mode and if it is bundled with 1&2 I would be willing to pay $20 (or even the US equivalent of 20 euros). Buses would lower congestion and increase capacity while trains would probably have the capacity of at least a highway but take up the space of a small road.quote>

[Ocram's Razr 963]

SimCitiy 200 used depots exclusively. All bus lines have some sort of depot or place to store the buses. The depot looks like it is a mere 40x40m and in CitiesXL, that is perfectly reasonable.

[LBII 3]

Sure, but depots are not necessarly linked to the bus lines. Depots are interesing only if you don't need each line to start and/or end in a depot. If you have to make every bus line stopping by a depot, I think this would be a mistake because it wouldn't be realistic at all : all buses system that I know can work with exchange and transfert points, but also without them : transfers are made where the line you want to transfer on is crossing the line you are on actually.

Originally posted by: Ilikeseattle

SimCitiy 200 used depots exclusively. All bus lines have some sort of depot or place to store the buses. The depot looks like it is a mere 40x40m and in CitiesXL, that is perfectly reasonable.quote>

[bluespottedhorse 49]

I would be happy with rail that was purely eye candy to give our cities realism.

[mayorbk 66]

Originally posted by: MINIggy03

who's excited to pay for trains we've had since 1989? Anyone? If you thought $6 a month was frustrating, wait until you gotta pay extra for busses, trains, subways, etc! Forget that you can get all of that in a $10 game...but of course you'd be told "That game had years of community content built around it!" Yeah...trains...terraforming...more than one or two lot sizes...deep micromanaging and traffic simulator...subways...busses...elevated rail(like the pictures of such a thing they showed us during CitiesXL concept phase)...

i dunno, simcity fans must be spoiled, but then I look at what a 6+ year old game offers compared to what we get out of a game in 2009. It just doesn't stack up, the 6 year old game has way more features, depth and content, regardless of community downloads.  I didn't have to pay extra to get features we've had for two decades and got advancements in the series.  

CitiesXL just feels like a 3D version of an old school city game asking customers to fork over extra for the modern day features we'd come to expect in a city simulator.
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This is exactly it, in the early stages i was excited for CitiesXL but the more i see bout the game the less excited i get! And for now unless MC changes things drastically i'm sticking with SC4! We're not spoiled- cities have tons of mass transit options right now without them CitiesXL is basically a less goofy version of SCS!

[jochem100 0]

Just in case MC is reading along with this topic...

I would be willing to pay for mass transit in solo too. The prices should be fairly low i think, because most elements of mass transit should have been in the game the first place.

Dont forget MC i already payed 50 euro for the game.. 

Possibly the DLC could be seperate, for exemple the bus system for 2 euro, the train system for 2 euro, and so on. That way the solo players could just buy only what they want.

[Stef42 0]

MC keeps mass-transit very quiet, no news etc.

This long waiting isn't making anything better..

So, I hope they come up with some news within one week

[Mathew_MC 0]

Toothpaste wrote:

I just wish that we will be able to adjust the buses travel routs just like in Transport Tycoon or what ever the games name was that was fun 10 years ago. If they just lets us plop down a bus station like a building and have no control what so ever, then Im gonna kill my self - I will also kill a cute bunny.

I hate to delete buildings just to put down a bus stop and not having control over the transport system is so 1990. I just really really hope that MC will give us a wow feeling over this! Im so excited! Omg!quote>

Good thing we care about bunnies then!

[soltangris 42]

Possibly the DLC could be seperate, for exemple the bus system for 2 euro, the train system for 2 euro, and so on. That way the solo players could just buy only what they want.

 

Hehehehe.... wait until they confirm first their selling mass transport to SP.... Because for now you get it only in PO

And I think it doesn't make sense to sell every single system separately. After all, how expensive could the whole pack be? 20 euros? Well, if it's all that maybe it would make sense actually..... ?

[LBII 3]

Enough teasing, we want details and screenshots of the bus system and we want it now!

Originally posted by: Mathew_MC

Toothpaste wrote:

I just wish that we will be able to adjust the buses travel routs just like in Transport Tycoon or what ever the games name was that was fun 10 years ago. If they just lets us plop down a bus station like a building and have no control what so ever, then Im gonna kill my self - I will also kill a cute bunny.

I hate to delete buildings just to put down a bus stop and not having control over the transport system is so 1990. I just really really hope that MC will give us a wow feeling over this! Im so excited! Omg!quote>

Good thing we care about bunnies then! quote>

[urbanlife 2]

So is this game even selling good for them? And is Planet Mode even holding up well? I wonder this because the more research I do on the game, the more I get disappointed (which I am one of the many that were excited about this game when MC came to us and asked us what we wanted.) So far we have been handed excuses about why this is an unfinished game...who buys unfinished products? And why should we pay extra for standard items for a city builder game...that is like buying a car, then being informed that it will be extra for the windshield that is not ready yet, so you will just have to drive the car around for a while as is and we will get you that windshield as soon as we can...provided you pay for it, of course.

If MC was trying to build a really good looking game that disappointed core city builders, then this game is a success.

[jochem100 0]

Originally posted by: soltangris

Possibly the DLC could be seperate, for exemple the bus system for 2 euro, the train system for 2 euro, and so on. That way the solo players could just buy only what they want.

 

Hehehehe.... wait until they confirm first their selling mass transport to SP.... Because for now you get it only in PO

And I think it doesn't make sense to sell every single system separately. After all, how expensive could the whole pack be? 20 euros? Well, if it's all that maybe it would make sense actually..... ?quote>

Yeah i know, it's just an idea in case MC reads along whit this important topic

[gabry85 2]

Originally posted by: urbanlife

So is this game even selling good for them?quote>

You mean like... price drop?

[bobrobertsnz 0]

MC have posted a lastest update on events and what to look forward to.

http://www.citiesxl.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2378&Itemid=128

One of the key points that will interest this thread is

Busses are coming along well.  They can be expected early December and will be followed, before Christmas comes, by another patch that will add various improvements to the game such as detailed taxes per category or advanced graphical settings.

Now some people will have to find something else to be emotive about.    

And dont complain if they say early Dec and its not out by the 3rd!!!

[Stef42 0]

The News that came out today was very interesting, aldo I'm still wondering if you can only build bus depots or bus stops etc.

The busses are really looking great!

I especially hope they release it also for SP.

[soltangris 42]

Their original promise was to release busses for SP too. It was just delayed because they couldn't finish it earlier. The rest of Mass Transit is another matter.