simmars-forum-threads Andisart speaks!

[atlasDX 0]

A direct quote in response to my message:

Hi atlasDX,

thanks for your message 

I have decided to move on and let SimMars rest.

When releasing Beta 2 I hoped that the interest would spark again, but it didn't.

It's the lack of people actually working on the project.

If interest should spark again in the future I'm here for it, but for the moment I will focus on my own projects. 

Thanks for your interest in SimMars! Hope you like it

Best regards,

AndisArt

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So, it is my conclusion that, if this project is to continue, we need to elect a new leader.  Someone who can lead SimMars into Beta 3, possibly...

If we can't find a leader, this will all go to scrap.  Feel free to comment.

[JakeMD 107]

This is horrible!! Who will lead us on with SimMars?

[timcravey 168]

Let's don't get excited. It's been rolling along just fine so far. Maybe we should consider different forms of leadership...before we hold an election.  I say we all agree to cooperate without a Mayor.

I have been playing the beta and it actually works quite well, especially for people learning about the technical aspects of meta-gaming. Some of the most pressing needs serve to motivate the player to learn and practice BATting, lotting and modding. But also for artists because there's so much more room for creativity in the stripped down game. 

Perhaps we should consider releasing Supplements to the beta before trying to recompile all those files.  If we do this incrementally (over time) we might greatly increase awareness of our project in the STEX community and maybe even attract a few BATs our way.

We could also discuss ways to increase interest in the project off site - what's with the website? I was disappointed it wasn't more finished. 

[un1 40]

I think I could do it. I am a leader of to other things. (NNMT, SCRT) So if you need me, just PM me.

Need to mention, I am very good at modding.

-un1

[Blazerhawk 162]

I will join up with this project. I have a whole series of stuff planned for SimMars. I would say I am a jack-of-all-trades and would gladly help out.

[atlasDX 0]

Wonderful, everybody. Thanks for the offer, un1 and crushedcar. I also offer my help, as I am an experienced modder myself.

[Pooty 228]

I'm going to school to become an environment modeler. If you guys ever need building models send me a PM or email me at bayans@bsadighi.com

If you want to check out my work, check out my sig. My portfolio website is there.

Thanks.

[JakeMD 107]

I have taken over this project, and am now organizing a new SimMars team. All who are currently on the SimMars team are welcome to continue to support and develop the mod.

Pooty: We would be glad to have you help out!

atlasDX: What kind of modding do you do?

crushedcar: What do you have planned? Share with us!

[timcravey 168]

Are you sure "taken over" is the appropriate expression?

There were people working on this project before SCRT team formed.

We welcome you to share your ideas with the community or open a team thread

but isn't it a little soon to be assuming authority over the entire SimMars project?

Why don't you start with a Beta3 Proposal thread so we can all check in with you about what you're planning?

[warrior 169]

I think that it's great that someone has decided to get SimMars up and running again, but I have to agree with timcravey, about the taking over, also I don't think SimMars development should be made on another website(well you can put updates elsewhere but keep ST as the primary development site)

I think I have some cars lying around that Andisart sent me for SimMars, and I'm willing to help with any modding advice.

[TimeMaster 4]

Ok, this isn't fair you can't organize a new team! add SCRT to the team, fine. But SCRT does NOT control the project.

[un1 40]

I have the exact thoughts as TimeMaster.

Even though I am a founder of SCRT, I think that Andisart should come back, reclaim the project and let me on the team. ;p

-un1

[TimeMaster 4]

I have, a feeling Swat, yes I do... A feeling that long lost Andisart will come and ban you. XD We welcome any SCRT proposals, models, BATs and lots.

[AndisArt 2,066]

In my opinion the question of having a leader for the project is not as important as what work is actually being done, because a new Beta requires a lot of work.

As I said to atlasDX, I would be there for SimMars if there is interest and people are active.

Apparently we have interest again, so if you want my help or guidance, I'd be happy to come back for it.

I have to agree that SimMars should stay here on ST as the primary site since it is the most common site for users. No harm at all in using individual forums for developments if updates are made on ST. 

The idea of releasing supplements inbetween Beta releases is good. That's a motivator for everyone!

[timcravey 168]

Welcome back, Andisart. Thank you for the beta2. How's the burj Dubai?

[TimeMaster 4]

Welcome Back! I agree with you completely.

[JakeMD 107]

timcravey:

Are you sure "taken over" is the appropriate expression?

There were people working on this project before SCRT team formed.

We welcome you to share your ideas with the community or open a team thread

but isn't it a little soon to be assuming authority over the entire SimMars project?

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Ok, "Taken Over" was not what I meant by "taking over" .. I mean that I am now going to organize the development and recieve any objects made to hopefully go into a third beta. I am not trying to "Socially Engineer" any one person or group. SCRT is developing along with the SimMars team. The "New SimMars Team" includes all of the original SimMars Team members, but also includes the new members that I have recruited and have asked to develop.

warrior:

I think that it's great that someone has decided to get SimMars up and running again, but I have to agree with timcravey, about the taking over, also I don't think SimMars development should be made on another website(well you can put updates elsewhere but keep ST as the primary development site)

I think I have some cars lying around that Andisart sent me for SimMars, and I'm willing to help with any modding advice. quote>

Simtropolis is the primary update site. I also ask for the SCRT members of SimMars Team to update their progress at the SCRT site. In no way am I trying to take development away from this website, as I do not want to go the way of BSC and many other great teams. Again, I am not trying to "Take Over", I am trying to take the place of Andre and organize the team to hopefully get a third beta released.

TimeMaster:

Ok, this isn't fair you can't organize a new team! add SCRT to the team, fine. But SCRT does NOT control the project. quote>

SCRT is working on the project. SCRT is not the new SimMars team. The new SimMars team is includes all of the original SimMars team members, as well as the SCRT and other new recruits that I have made.

Andisart:

In my opinion the question of having a leader for the project is not as important as what work is actually being done, because a new Beta requires a lot of work.

As I said to atlasDX, I would be there for SimMars if there is interest and people are active.

Apparently we have interest again, so if you want my help or guidance, I'd be happy to come back for it.

I have to agree that SimMars should stay here on ST as the primary site since it is the most common site for users. No harm at all in using individual forums for developments if updates are made on ST.

The idea of releasing supplements inbetween Beta releases is good. That's a motivator for everyone! quote>

Andre, if you wish to stay with SimMars I will let you "Lead" us on to a new beta. I took your PM to AtlasDX as a final and permanent statement and thought I should organize the SimMars team.

I now say this. If Andisart would like to continue to lead this project on, I will stop organizing everything and let him continue. If he does not, I will continue to organize this project, and help keep development on track.

As I have said in previous replies, in no way am I trying to take over the project and make it a SCRT project, or my own. I am only getting the team that I am involved with to help keep us active, refine our skills, and teach ourselves new skills.

If I stepped on anyone, I apologize, and will gladly accept anyone stepping back on me. Please don't take any of this the wrong way, as I respect the community and each one of you.

Please read each of your replies and respond back to me.

Have a nice day.

[TimeMaster 4]

Swat: I understand that. But, if Andre choses not to stay why does does that mean you get to lead?? But thanks for the apology (sort of). You have a great day, also. Please take SCRT out of your SimMars sig and leave it as is.

[JakeMD 107]

It doesn't mean that I "get" to lead. I waited for a while and honestly, no one stepped up. I talked to un1, and he and I thought of this as a great opportunity for SCRT, SimMars Team, and the rest of the fans to continue this great project. (NOTE: This does not necessarily mean SCRT has taken over the project)

Say so now and I will resign from this position and never attempt to organize a third beta. Someone else can do it and hopefully they are better at it. If Andisart wants to come back, let him. I will not continue to take these kind of comments any more as they are way out of context and I assume you have read all of what I have posted here the wrong way. I am sorry to be like this, but I am tired of this coming up over and over again. Lets get over the fact that I may have worded a few posts incorrectly, help me fix them without attacking me, and get on with this great project.

I have stopped all production at SCRT forum, and will allow all progress to be posted here and only here. It was my mistake to think that we could work on the project as a team there, and here. (By a team I meant SCRT, at the SCRT board. )

[TimeMaster 4]

That's because we didn't need a leader for such a small team. Me, Ngeeves, Evillions and Tim. Pmiller and b2b are inactive. I know that it a great project. But it's not yours. Thank-you for your apology. You deserve to be a high lotter, modeler and modificationist, but the leader is Andre. Thanks for stopping full progress at SCRT. It is fine if you post updates there. I forgive you. -Time

[JakeMD 107]

That's because we didn't need a leader for such a small team. Me, Ngeeves, Evillions and Tim. Pmiller and b2b are inactive.quote>

Then what you don't know, is that i have about 10 other people helping me work on this, that are not on your list.

[simmaster07 1,220]

Shame. Just when I asked you for the rest of those God Mode icons. I'm not sure if andisart is exactly coming back to the project. Read the message he sent in the first post he sent.

I have decided to move on and let SimMars rest.

When releasing Beta 2 I hoped that the interest would spark again, but it didn't.

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So we can't just assume that since Andisart has logged onto the community and is posting and PMing that he's going to take over the project once again. He's decided to let SimMars rest not just because he hoped interest would spark yet again, but also:

It's the lack of people actually working on the project.

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True. Read this part too:

If interest should spark again in the future I'm here for it, but for the moment I will focus on my own projects.

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So andisart would be glad to rejoin the project. I just don't think he would join the project as the leader once more, as he is working on other things as well. Swat-medic, putting this project to rest once more would not be the smartest idea. Also, if the SimMars project is going to resume, why not have everyone work as equals, as this allows more work to be done since no one person has more control over the others. "Do this, do that" would be come void.

Originally posted by swat-medic:

Say so now and I will resign from this position and never attempt to organize a third beta. Someone else can do it and hopefully they are better at it.

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*sigh*

I'm guessing this means that if nobody else will step up, I'll have to. I really hope the SimMars project can continue its work from where it left off, and that the current developments accomplished by SimMars in the past 4 days of swat-medic's reign be included fully in the SimMars beta 3 (should there be one). Not that I'm saying that it may not be done, but if nobody is going to step up, help with development and be somebody who can really help, novice or pro, then the SimMars project will never go anywhere and development may have to end absolutely. Also, why not have all the members work as equals? Just my piece of advice.

[timcravey 168]

I, for one, appreciate your help with the project Swat. You have been here as long as any of us and you certainly show initiative in picking your projects and working them out. Also I acknowledge that you are responsible for bringing several people into the project for which we are all grateful. I hope you will continue to receive this as the friendly debate on leadership and organization that I originally envisioned.

PS I thought BSC team members graduated (or transcended) to personal projects. I didn't realize LEX was punishment.

[paroxysm 2]

I completely agree with timcravey on this one. Thanks to SWAT, but the original leader is back. I think we should have Andisart back at the helm but appoint officers to oversee different parts of the project and coordinate them.  If Andisart has permanently abdicated the position, it's time to elect someone else.  Someone that has been with the project a long time and knows his/her way around the game.  This person shouldn't be a dictator over the SimMars team, but kind of a coordinator and someone who says "This should be done, who's gonna do it?"  Just a few thoughts on the situation...  Once again, I volunteer my help towards the team in the modding department.

[TimeMaster 4]

Oh no, Andre's back, simmaster. You don't have to worry, now that we have our old leader back for leading 14 people. Swat it's fine you're still an awesome lotter modder and BATer.

[simmaster07 1,220]

TimeMaster:

From andisart:

I have decided to move on and let SimMars rest.

When releasing Beta 2 I hoped that the interest would spark again, but it didn't.

It's the lack of people actually working on the project.

If interest should spark again in the future I'm here for it, but for the moment I will focus on my own projects

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So andisart isn't with us right now. At least I don't believe he's with us. All we can do are two things -- keep arguing or have andisart come and clear things up.

[un1 40]

Well if Andisart is back... Then can I join the SimMars team?

-un1

simmaster07: Whoops forgot to read that. I will delete my post.

[TimeMaster 4]

Simmy: Scroll UP on the page!! He is, and he will probably stay with us.

[timcravey 168]

You've already cornered the market on God Mode, Swat - Why don't you 'take over' the Mod Workshop and this will help us all co-ordinate development.

I object to 'officers' 'overseeing'. Why don't we start by 'appointing' workers, not bosses? We need a secretary, not a general.

[paroxysm 2]

Well, I did not know there were only 14 people in the team.  I rescind my statement about officers and agree with timcravey about appointing people to do tasks.