I will leave Simtropolis and remove all my content

[patriots_1228 51]

you musta confused what i was saying. i wasnt saying the NAM belonged to ST, i was saying that ST is a large portion of the community and now a large portion of the community wont be able to get the NAM...etc..... minus well not start an arguement

[Jerebannus XVI 7]

Adios!

Hope to find your releases wherever they go good luck!

[Sim shady 12]

sigh* it hurts me to see all this strife amongst our members...

[Boggy1 45]

I think I can sum up many of the members thoughts on this:

meh.

It's a game, don't act like a seven year old.

[AsianEvolusioner 18]

Originally posted by: Boggy1 I think I can sum up many of the members thoughts on this:

meh.

It's a game, don't act like a seven year old.quote>

i completely agree........

[mjig_dudy 11]

iliketmsalot: See, I understand you can't post using with your real username because it is banned. But, see, I thought the point of being banned was that you couldn't come in here and start more fights. Also, if you are from devotion, i recommend you take a greater interest in that website, baring in mind SMP has a team room there and you didn't even know they exisisted. Maybe spend some time there rather than coming over here and starting fights all the time, we know you all hate Simtropolis already, now can't you just leave Simtropolis in peace?

[Simfan34 11]

Originally posted by: iliketmsalot

Originally posted by: MarcosMX The NAM was born in Simtropolis and will be always on Simtropolis ike it or not, no offense to those who are working on it that have moved from ST. quote>

That's up to the uploader.

That is certainly not true... BlaM, HKABT. NDEX, SMP, BSP are still here active and doinf well, and they are all serious BAT Teams..quote>

The only one of those teams that has produced anything of real value in the last 6 months in HKABT.  BLaMs seem to produce a bunch of counterfeits and NDEX is dead, tonkso just won't admit it.  As for the other two, who?

Compare the STEX content now with what it was 6 months ago.  Simtropolis is dying, haemorraging talent and reputation.  

As for the Simtropolis 1000 project, so deftly hijacked by BLaM and it's leader, good luck because you will need it.  On that note, I hope the team realises that they cannot under any circumstances using existing SC4 content, as the file formats are proprietory and are the IP of EA.  So not only are they going to have to create the simulator, but the entire content from the ground up (literally).  The concept behind cities and regions also remains the copyright of EA by the way.

quote>

Well, that's great, you join a site and slam it. I know where you are from, just making a fake account to save your name, but beeing banned here won't make any ifference to you. As a former BLaM member (in the process of rejoining), BLaM did not "hijack" ST 1000 (ST1000, not  SC4D1000), they do no make conterfeits, NDEX is quite alive, just bidding its time, and the BSP is pretty active, new things are on the STEX each day. ST is quite alive.

Sad to see you go, goaskin. Could you please rethink this?

[DanWalker8 3]

never knew you goaskin, sorry you had a bad experience and decided to leave ST.

[onlyplace4 605]

Originally posted by: iliketmsalot

BLaMs seem to produce a bunch of counterfeits ...quote>

Examples please? Or an apology.

Originally posted by: iliketmsalot

As for the Simtropolis 1000 project, so deftly hijacked by BLaM and it's leader, good luck because you will need it.  On that note, I hope the team realises that they cannot under any circumstances using existing SC4 content, as the file formats are proprietory and are the IP of EA.  So not only are they going to have to create the simulator, but the entire content from the ground up (literally).  The concept behind cities and regions also remains the copyright of EA by the way.

quote>

OK, lets get a few facts straight here. The project has not been hijacked by anyone, I simply went a provided the forum for them to discuss the project, which they are doing in their droves. You will notice, also, if you have the time when not creating clone accounts to hide behind, that a great number of staff of that new forum have nothing to do with BLaM. Once more, facts got straight might have helped before you posted.

Back on topic ... sorry to see you go GoaSkin. Never really got to know you, but the quality of your material on the STEX will be sorely missed.

[ilikehotdogsalot 311]

Originally posted by: jplumbley

If you really knew who it was... you'd realize he/she cannot post in his/her "main account" because they were banned for the same reasons I stated above.  I know your name had nothing to do with the creation of hte account.  So you dont have to worry about an imitator.

quote>

I'm sorry, but if you are banned, You are banned. It is the same in every forum on the internet. Why make another account. especially to post on threads related to Simtropolis? It just seems like that member is trying to pick another fight. I don't worry/care about having imitators, I'm just pointing out that the username is almost exactly the same as mine, except the 'hotdogs' is replaced with tms.

[MarcosMX 222]

One last thing, ST 1000 is not going to use Maxis/EA stuff. From what I have hear they are going to start from scratch. And BlaM isn't sole creator/owner of ST 1000, heck there are no owners, the community is the owner.

ilikehotdogsalot: i think you should copyright your nickname lol j/k

[Hanson784 165]

It's always sad to see members leave. Thankfully I'll know where to find you and your great creations (I think).

Why is there such a rift in the SimCity community? We all love SimCity. The custom content creators make great creations... no matter what team their on. I hate to see this happening.

We'll always be one community even if we're at different sites... no need to turn this discussion into a Jerry Springer episode. Be happy and don't take things so seriously. Life is too short for squabbling.

[patriots_1228 51]

i guess im sorry for being so mean in the first post lol........just so much stuff going on at ST lately lol.........

i am really dissapointed that your leaving though.....

[LivingInThePast 364]

Could anyone tell me what GoaSkin's stuff was? Yeah, iliketmsalot is awfully suspicious for a newbie. Most newbies (including me when I had just one post), had joined because the custom content looked irresistable or they had some technical problem. If this thread however, turns into a guessing game on who iliketmsalot is, he (or she) used the British "s" (as in "realises" instead of "realizes"). I don't know of any people recently banned except The Terminator, except he became "Psuedonynm" and left.

[Elukka 0]

Bye.

Whether you like ST or not, moving stuff away from here certainly won't help to make it more popular.

[pnorrell 4]

Originally posted by: LivingInThePast Could anyone tell me what GoaSkin's stuff was? Yeah, iliketmsalot is awfully suspicious for a newbie. Most newbies (including me when I had just one post), had joined because the custom content looked irresistable or they had some technical problem. If this thread however, turns into a guessing game on who iliketmsalot is, he (or she) used the British "s" (as in "realises" instead of "realizes"). I don't know of any people recently banned except The Terminator, except he became "Psuedonynm" and left.quote>

 

GoaSkin's done a lot of modding, including being one of the main developers of GLR before it was part of the NAM. There are few around with his skills and knowledge.

[sEAhAwk fAn121 0]

Simtropolis is a great site... i dont think it will ever die its just in a low point. Just because BAT teams leave doesnt mean the City Journals stop the forum games get closed! BAT teams arnt the only thing that keep a site alive, its the members. and i bet if we would stop bickering this site could flourish again! It just takes some time and some TLC but i think it could work.

Just think about it... if we keep bickering like this we will kill the site because people will grow tired of it...

[BerlinDude 14]

Originally posted by: Elukka Bye.

Whether you like ST or not, moving stuff away from here certainly won't help to make it more popular.quote>

If he would just hunting for popularity, I guess GoaSkin would let his stuff up on the STEX, but I guess he isn't. Instead I think he looks for a community or whatever, where his incredible work is respected and liked.

[Ironfanz 15]

I'm sorry to see you leave personally as i'm a great fan of all creations, but maybe i am a tad forced to agree that Simtropolis really is beginning to fade. I'm starting to see many new websites creep up but i am forced to agree with fellow Simtropolions... where does everyone's loyalty lie? Surely we are after all one community, so why start dividing... 

We should reunite with a big hug! lol!!

All the best wherever you end up and make sure you inform us all of where your new residence is!

[Dirktator 2,327]

Uhm, did I miss something here?   

I'm always amazed at how explosions can occur at any moment.

Listen, if you want to leave, much respect to you, and a sincere thank you for the time you spent here.  I have no idea what has caused you to create such an announcement, but it sounds like you've made your mind.  If you want to discuss anything with me, please PM me.

Simtropolis is not the only community for SimCity.  There are dozens out there, and several have stemmed from here out of innovation or necessity.  Perhaps one of these other communities is more to your taste, and I wish you good luck and good adventure!  Take some duckies for your travels...

-dirk

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On another note

I do want to speak to another point though:  I find it odd that custom content makers expect special unique Administrative Protection from Simtropolis. 

It's not my intention to diminish the creations of these talented modders and BATters, but there seems to be a sense of entitlement with some members. 

Your merit as a member

The mandate here as that everyone respects everyone else, regardless of what you have contributed.  Your merit as a member is not solely judged by how much you've uploaded to the STEX, how many City Journals you've started, how many posts you've made,  how many hours of chat you've logged or how long you've been registered.  It is judged more importantly on your character and conduct.  All members are expected to treat other members with respect, and likewise, all members are entitled to the "protection" of the staff in equal measure.

What does that mean?

1.  Flame wars are condemned, we do not discriminate, we do not care who started it.  You might have been a member since 2003, but if you're a jerk, you're going to get the boot.  There is no special treatment.  You might have uploaded hundreds of stuff to the STEX but if you start being a jerk and pulling jerk-like stunts you're going to get booted, just like anyone else would.  In all cases, warnings have always been issued, and bootings have always occurred from subsequent transgressions.  This is a not a community where if you upload 300+ items, you get a free card to be a jerk.

2.  If you make a product, and your PRODUCT is criticized, it is YOUR responsibility to deal with it.  How you choose to deal with it will largely be a reflection of YOUR character.  The Administration will not protect you from fair criticism of YOUR product.  But, like anything, if criticism turns into insult, and gets personal, vulgar or otherwise offensive, the staff will step in and moderate.  If you do not like criticism for your product, then reconsider sharing it, or share it elsewhere where there is no channel for feedback.

To assume that you have a privileged status because of your own personal sense of entitlement is somewhat arrogant, and an affront to the rest of the community. 

The bottom line is that the staff has been directed to treat everyone equally, we just enforce the house rules.  Yes, we cannot catch all fires all the time instantly, so perhaps if you got flamed and no one official stepped in, it wasn't because we didn't care, we didn't catch it in time.  I am sorry if that has occurred. 

I hope that makes sense.

[north country dude 207]

The only one of those teams that has produced anything of real value in the last 6 months in HKABT.  BLaMs seem to produce a bunch of counterfeits and NDEX is dead, tonkso just won't admit it.  As for the other two, who?quote>

Bwaaa! HaaaHaaaa!,....

counterfeits?? sorry, that's a slanderous remark with no basis in fact. It is plainly false.

Compare the STEX content now with what it was 6 months ago.  Simtropolis is dying, haemorraging talent and reputation.quote>

hmmm,....subjective reasoning,...erroneous statement. 

As for the Simtropolis 1000 project, so deftly hijacked by BLaM and it's leader, good luck because you will need it. quote>

Again, subjective and erroneous reasoning with no basis in fact. Op4 is kind enough to Host the development team still under formation. joerg is also a moderator there.

 

On that note, I hope the team realises that they cannot under any circumstances using existing SC4 content, as the file formats are proprietory and are the IP of EA.  So not only are they going to have to create the simulator, but the entire content from the ground up (literally). quote>

I believe that is exactly the direction they are taking at the moment, but since the project under development is not seeking monetary renumeration for it's efforts, it doesn't really matter a whole heck of a lot does it?

 

The concept behind cities and regions also remains the copyright of EA by the way.quote>

Bwaahaahaahaa!!! That is just too funny. Can you just imagine all of the cities and regions of the world paying royalties to EA? Not to mention all of the game developers who use these broad topics in their games?

Sorry, troll. But your reply is plainly just too funny to get anyone upset!

As for Goaskin, sorry to see you go, but isn't the attitude a bit immature?

And Dirk, sorry, I wasn't calling you a troll. Just the guy I got those quotes from.

[JakeMD 107]

well said dirk, nice job, i totally agree!!!and yes, that does happen here...

[screamingman12 30]

Okay, I think that I can clear something up, many of the people who create custom content fell that they should be garded not against constructive criticism, but outright, one-sided bashing. And I personally think that this is a good thing. People such as SG should not be bashed by trolls because what they made doesn't agree with a person's point of veiw. Why this is becoming an issue: This has only come to light now because many of the NDEX members have left. The backbone was made up mostly of members who later received moderator status, and they looked out for the community/had some influence/intimidated the trolls and spammers. Now, with them gone, the content creation community is asking the other moderators to fill this void, some who have never had experience with content creation.

[Meastro444 1]

well, i dont like seeing you go Goaskin. but one fact annoys me as hell, why are you locking your stuff? that is rude towards the new people here!!

[jplumbley 5]

Originally posted by: dirk Uhm, did I miss something here?   

To assume that you have a privileged status because of your own personal sense of entitlement is somewhat arrogant, and an affront to the rest of the community. 

I take it you are refering to my post which did not in any way say that creators have a special right.  But they have the right to be treated equally and fairly.  Something that does not happen here.  The "staff" seems to be biased towards the complainer.  In many cases where the creator is banned for retaliating to an ambush of complainers who had been very rude and disrespectful in their posts.  I will not name names or bring up certain situations because that will just start things over again.

Originally posted by: dirk Uhm, did I miss something here?   

It's not my intention to diminish the creations of these talented modders and BATters, but there seems to be a sense of entitlement with some members. 

I dont disagree that it is not your intention to disrespect creators and their creations.  But, your "staff" is allowing creators to be disrespected and then expect these creators to put up or shut up.  This in the end is a disrespect for the creators and makes them want to leave.

Why would a creator stay if he/she is reemed out because someone doesnt like the color of his/her BAT?  Why would they want to stay if the people who flame like this are allowed to flame like this?  Why would they stay if they are not allowed to defend themselves, without fear of banishment?

Originally posted by: dirk It is judged more importantly on your character and conduct.  All members are expected to treat other members with respect, and likewise, all members are entitled to the "protection" of the staff in equal measure. 

Again, this is your policiy.  But again your policiy is not being enforced all the time by your "staff".  Many of your "staff" members look away and ignore someone who complains.  But when a creating says back off they are the ones to get the blame.

Originally posted by: dirk The Administration will not protect you from fair criticism of YOUR product.

As a creator, I have absolutely NO problem with fair critisim.  But what happens when this critisim is not fair?  I have been flamed myself for a mod I created.  I asked a moderator to step in.  What did they do?..... nothing.  Not even a response.  And then again, if the creator lashes back because they are frustrated, they are the one to get banished.

Originally posted by: dirk The bottom line is that the staff has been directed to treat everyone equally, we just enforce the house rules.  Yes, we cannot catch all fires all the time instantly, so perhaps if you got flamed and no one official stepped in, it wasn't because we didn't care, we didn't catch it in time.  I am sorry if that has occurred.

I understand you cannot catch every fire that starts right away.  I understand you cant stop people from saying what they want to say.  But, the bottom line is your "staff" does not treat everyone fairly.  Your "staff" banishes the worng people.

I dont want you to take this as "flaming" because it is not.  I want you to take the time and think.  Take the time a realize what has happened.  And think about your policies, maybe change them, or maybe enforce them in a better way.  I am not telling you how to run your site, but there are MANY creators who have left for reasons other than they are bored with SC4 and more to do with how this site has been run.  Maybe there is some merit in that.  Just something for thought.

[confused04 14]

To be honest, I find this bickering quite childish. As much as this game might mean to some of us, its time to grow up. Didn't everyone learn as a kid or teen that people are idiots and can say cruel things. Come on... this is supposed to be a source of entertainment. If insults, criticisms and such really force you to move your creations, then perhaps you are putting too much emphasis on the game and have already lost the fun. As Dirk has stated, the staff here works to enforce the current policies irregardless of who issues them. I myself try to do this but there are times when we make mistakes. Running and crying makes no sense and you are giving up on a wonderful community for petty drama. Getting to the point... grow up everyone. I understand a lot of you are going through your teenage years which include ridiculous overreactions to tiny things, rebellion against authority and so forth and so on, but come on... this site is supposed to be free of real life arguments. None of us get our way here, but that doesn't mean much saying thats how life goes. I respect your decision if you, or anyone, feel the need to leave. You all have been valuable members of Simtropolis and I DO feel you are making rash decisions. Good luck with where your ventures may take you.

Confused04

[david1314 44]

I was wondering if someone of any clout would ever say this. Thanks GoaSkin. About damn time!

This has been a problem with the site since as long as I can remember. I even recall when I first joined that I was deliberately reserved on the forum (i.e. didn't post) because of some comment I had seen by a moderator.

I can't say I agree with the pack-up-and-leave mentality though. I've thought about this many times myself (and is indeed the reason I've just stopped making content to release). I come to the conclusion that you're hurting the community to spite its leaders. And given the fact the community comes first, and the site second, I can't find much legitimacy in this course of action.

It should be noted by dirk and the mods, however, that this is a recurring problem, and maybe rather than thinning the ranks of membership (rather important members at that), perhaps thinning the duties (and number) of mods is more in order.

[BIWDC 2,296]

jplumbley i fully agree with all that you have posted.

[Meg 368]

Originally posted by: JanYpe 

ST has taken the development bed away from creators by not protecting them from flamers.quote>

Where does this happen? You can't tell me creators can't stand up for themselves anymore. Sorry if I'm entirely out of touch here.quote>

 

If you find you, JanYpe, please let me know.  I have asked that question repeatedly and can't get a straightforward answer.   Apparently I'm too stupid to understand the subtilties or something.

[patriots_1228 51]

I think everyone should toughen up a bit.....its entertainment so theres no need to insult it.......but on the flip side, its entertainment so theres no need to be offended by an insult either. would you be offended if someone made fun of your fantasy *insert favorite sport* team? i hope not.