FLUP - sunken props

[Girafe 1,729]

Hi,

We have some technical issues with FLUPs.

The new modding for RHW FLUPs is based on T21 (not ploppable LOT) and we try to let automatas go down the FLUP visually.

To see automatas go down the FLUP, the LOD of the FLUP model needs to be negative. However if the LOD is negative the part under the ground is not visible IG (this is the result):

In order to be able to see the underground part, the sunken view needs to be "triggered" like modding a Subway station and add the FLUP as a prop:

However, this is not possible with T21 modding. Therefore the question is, is there a way for a props to trigger the underground view?

 

[rsc204 21,867]

I would love to know the answer to this myself, since I have prototypes of flexible content which hit a brick wall for much the same reasons.

I do know it is possible somehow, as in the Example shown of NOBs Sunken GLR, but also @mcdrye managed to do this with his unreleased set of sunken London Underground set. You might want to take a look at some of the information in this thread?

Hopefully McDrye might be able to pop in, since not too long ago he was around, although he's moved on to Cities Skylines modding I believe. Since I'm paging you, I'd relish the chance to try and finish off the London Underground set if you have and are willing to share the resources for them?

[rsc204 21,867]

Around here is where the technical side seems to be discussed, but overall the 12 pages contain a lot of (hopefully) useful information on this type of modding:

https://community.simtropolis.com/forums/topic/28510-mcdrye-tries-bat-again/?do=findComment&comment=1024808

[Girafe 1,729]

Thanks for popping in

It's working for NOBs Sunken GLR because each LOT is modded as a Subway station which triggers the underground view. Regarding Mcdrye, I will have a look at his topic to see how he modded each piece.

I tried to figure out if in the properties of the Subway station, one was triggering the underground view but I could not find a specific one (might be hard coded by the game)

[rsc204 21,867]

4 minutes ago, Girafe said:

I tried to figure out if in the properties of the Subway station, one was triggering the underground view but I could not find a specific one (might be hard coded by the game)

I have the feeling, this is indeed deep in the .exe, if you have the "subway" Occupant Group: 0x00001302, then the lot can handle Subway Traffic. The problem being, proper transit content isn't lot-based. That could be the trade off here, to make it a proper transit item, you loose the ability to work underground. It's about time I really dug into NOB's mod, since the last time I played with it I wasn't at the level of understanding I am today.

Ultimately, the Automata is going through the ramp, but when it reaches the end of the LOD, it collides and visually disappears.

[Barroco Hispano 26,950]

What do you mean when you say "Negative LOD"? Flipped normals?

[rsc204 21,867]

One that goes below 0 on the Z axis, i.e. below ground.

[rsc204 21,867]

Little update, so I dug into the modding on NOBs set and the actual ramps/underground models are simply TE Lots as far as I can tell. There are some 'interesting' things in the modding and no actual sign of the Subway Occupant Group. But before trying to unravel all that, it appears to me there is one simple test that should be undertaken. Simply re-IDing the Prop (model) of the NAM's FLUP portals so instead NOB's RAMP overrides it. If at that point the underground parts still appear, then we know at least this can all be handled by the model itself, which in this case has a complex underground LOD.

I'll tried to do this myself, but at first glance, there is some complexity in how these FLUP models are setup. It looks like a True 3D model is used with the portal T21'd on top and simply overriding the T21 model gives very odd results. @Tarkus, can you elaborate on what might be preventing a simple override (giving NOB's RAMP the ID of the RHW-2 Model) from working? I did correctly duplicate the 0x###30### & 0x###38### ID setup from the Prop links too, but the override model simply doesn't appear?

 

[Girafe 1,729]

I don't understand where in his modding the subway station properties are. Because they are recognized as ELl-train station but IG they do have this subway station thing