Greenland

[Spaceblaze 194]

I don't know what I have gotten myself into..

First I have build the highways and now I have to work a city around it and make it function without going broke

 

[CorinaMarie 29,605]

5 minutes ago, Spaceblaze said:

... without going broke

I like the Gambling Ordinance for $100 income in the earliest stage of my city tiles.

(Ofc, that's not enough for your expenses, but it will trim down your financial needs a wee bit.)

[Paulo S.M. 321]

37 minutes ago, Spaceblaze said:

I don't know what I have gotten myself into..

First I have build the highways and now I have to work a city around it and make it function without going broke

 

Lovely <3
What a nice challenge  
Try using the Highway to receive things like garbage from your neighbors.
It will be a good start income.
 

[Spaceblaze 194]

Still alive

It has been hard but I managed to keep an positive income and I will see how things will work out when I add schools and hospitals. For now I only have added a fire station and I was forced to create a waste dump and eventually a factory to burn the waste.

@Paulo S.M.

At this moment I am still not confident with import and export, I am affraid it will mess up my balance when not done correctly

 

Here is the region I am working on

 

And the city of (sinterklaas) kapoentje it self

 

[Spaceblaze 194]

a little update on the city of Kapoentje

I am not dead(yet)

The city still needs a lot of work done but I have schools, hospitals and police up and running without problems

[Spaceblaze 194]

Small update

 

The city of Kapoentje has been thriving and now has 108k residents

 

 

While beeing busy with Kapoentje I decidedto start a city next to it and again I installed the infrastucture firts. The city is called Waterland, but there is no water to be found in the city

 

 

Some thing about the total region, is there a way to post the complete region in one view?

 

At this point I can only show the part I am working on atm..

 

So here is the satelite view

 

 

And the map with the highway system added

 

[CorinaMarie 29,605]

4 hours ago, Spaceblaze said:

Some thing about the total region, is there a way to post the complete region in one view?

Sawtooth's Region Census is a program which allows you to save the entire region view as an image. It's hosted on SC4Devotion's LEX which is currently experiencing connectivity issues so I've placed it on a the temporary WeTransfer.com hosting site: https://we.tl/t-ADyh26QbqW

That linky will expire in one week so it's provided only as a temporary access since the LEX is unavailable atm.

Here's the normal linky for when the LEX is back running: https://www.sc4devotion.com/csxlex/lex_filedesc.php?lotGET=913

[Spaceblaze 194]

Thanks for the link!!!!

After installing I get this message

 

But after clicking ok the program seems to be running and I encounter another problem, I don't know where the region is saved?

It's not in the regions folder of SimCity and I can open the standard regions that come with the game and I can see the complete map of each of the regions..

 

I have tried searching the PC and can find the other cities in the various regions by searching for .sc4 files but I don't know what extensions the regions have and I also can't find the various cities in Groenland by searching with .sc4

[Cyclone Boom 16,875]

1 hour ago, Spaceblaze said:

But after clicking ok the program seems to be running and I encounter another problem, I don't know where the region is saved?

The standard location for regions is inside the following folder:
C:\Users\<Username>\Documents\SimCity 4\Regions

And here's a pic Cori made to illustrate this:

(Note: My Documents might be called Documents and it should be up top of the list. The difference depends on which version of Windows one has.)

Then choose a subfolder for a particular region, and the Region Census tool will load up the city tiles from that. For the path not found, that'll be to determine where SC4 is installed so it can locate the SimCity_1.dat file. As the dialog shows, this can be set from the Edit menu within the program.
 

Edit:

@Spaceblaze

I just edited my post with a few extra details.

  Edited May 4, 2021 by Cyclone Boom  

[Spaceblaze 194]

Thanks, found the files

This is the complete region in buildings and traffic

 

 

 

 

[Spaceblaze 194]

I am still not done with the Greenland map and am up to another challenge

New area called Lolapaloza.

The highways are ready and so are most of the railroads. the first train station is present and the fire department has okayed their presence.

 

 

Let's zone some areas and make have the power and water facilities ready

 

 

For the bigger picture of this city

 

 

And for the bigger, bigger picture. Almost 3.4 million peeps living in my virtual reality

 

 

Lets see what happens

 

Seems I am not dead yet(again)

[Spaceblaze 194]

Seems everything is fine

Next thing to do is to figure out why some cities go from small to medium with 50k residents and others go to 150k. I don't know what the difference is in all the requirements that are needed. Sometimes I have so many schools and hospitals and still the city won't grow the way I want. Also playgrounds, parks or football fields don't differ when the population is concerned.

But whatever, Lolapaloza is doing well for now

[Spaceblaze 194]

I need some help and I hope someone can tell me what I am doing wrong

In one of I city's I get the message that there is a serious health problem and when I look at the health map I can see a large red area where the problem is

But, I have build some well funded hospitals in the area, replaced the medical facility out of the area and have build a waterplant that removes the pollution from the water

Still the problem continues to exist

What am I missing?

At this moment I am losing a few thousand a month and I can keep on playing for a while because there is some 3 million in the bank, but I can't keep this city alive if this problem isn't solved

Also the population jumps up and down between some 90k and 120K but even with 120K I am losing money

[CorinaMarie 29,605]

6 hours ago, Spaceblaze said:

Also the population jumps up and down between some 90k and 120K but even with 120K

This'll likely be the root cause. Each time those 30k Sims move back into your city they start with very poor health. Your hospitals in that red area won't help them because each time your pop drops to 90k, those Sims (which might've got a tiny dose of HQ increasing health) have left. Then when another, new set of 30k move in you are back to square one with their health.

The only way to get the nice green health display in the data view is for the Sims to stay put for 30 to 40 years. Solve the underlying lack of jobs problem and this will resolve the health issue.

The first thing to do is get your population stable. You want no more than 100 fluctuation up or down per year. Use the Average Age view, find the places showing the youngest Sims, and start de-zoning there. Keep doing this until you have achieved stability.

Once the population is stable, then start growing more jobs (industrial or commercial) which is commensurate with the average EQ. After that, zone for residential in small blocks such that the expected growth is a few thousand (if high density) at most and let it grow. Run time without over zoning more areas and check if there are huge mood swings again or not.

[Raymond7cn 6,772]

27 minutes ago, CorinaMarie said:

The only way to get the nice green health display in the data view is for the Sims to stay put for 30 to 40 years. Solve the underlying lack of jobs problem and this will resolve the health issue.

@Spaceblaze Sorry for intruding rudely. Ah, Thank you Cori, correct me if i'm wrong, so what you mean is that unstable sims or works is the root cause, Am I right? Furthermore, If the health problem is caused by lacking of sanitation or pollution (air, water, nuclear, noise?), then it will get back to normal when we improve those issues. 

[CorinaMarie 29,605]

1 minute ago, Raymond7cn said:

so what you mean is that unstable sims or works is the root cause, Am I right?

Yes, this is right. The unstable Sims are the ones who move in, but do not stay long enough to accumulate the benefit of the health coverage. This cycle keeps repeating and is why the population goes from 90k to 120k back and forth.

 

4 minutes ago, Raymond7cn said:

Furthermore, If the health problem is caused by lacking of sanitation or pollution (air, water, nuclear, noise?), then it will get back to normal when we improve those issues.  

Yes, all Sims are influenced by air and water pollution near them and the amount of health degradation corresponds to their wealth level. R$ are the least affected. (I presume the idea is because they often live in the least desirable areas, they build up some immunity to the filth.)

I suspect most of the population variation in this case is R$ and they can live in the worst places and yet still achieve decent, but not perfect, health as long as they stay in place for a long period of time. So while pollution might be a factor, it'll be minor compared to having all new Sims moving in and not staying in the city long enough to gain better health.

[Raymond7cn 6,772]

@CorinaMarie Thank you Cori, Got it.  One last ignorant question, Would the noise have influence on health?

[Terring 6,473]

@Raymond7cn, there is no noise pollution in the game, although it can be simulated by giving negative effects to facilities such as airports. But in real life, noise pollution is a considerable source of harmful consequences, such as upsetting your sleep and even contributing to cardiovascular effects.

[Spaceblaze 194]

First of all, Thanks @CorinaMarie !

What I did, and I am still not in the positive income but can manage loosing a few 100 a month, is building up an industrial area next to the city to have extra jobs for the peeps. I also de-zoned quite a few residential zones, including some rather useless commercials zones at the border.

This stopped the jumping up and down of the population in the city, the biggest variation of peeps is now a few hundred over time.(1000 max)

My income also has stabalized but because I have build quite a lot schools and hospitals my income was still down some 3000 and to fix this I dropped the funding of schools and hospitals as much as possible.

So now the city looks like this and I can continue to work on it

I think the biggest mistake I made is adding to much high residential at once.

[Spaceblaze 194]

I just discovered that although there is no residence in my industrial zones passenger train station still work, or are needed. I am still discovering so many new and challenging things!

I have set a challenge for myself and I won't start another region when this region isn't completely build up(and I still have to work on the largest empty land, I save this for last) but it sure is tempting to start over in a new region....

[CorinaMarie 29,605]

9 minutes ago, Spaceblaze said:

... it sure is tempting to start over in a new region....

There's nothing at all wrong with either decision.

Remember, the game is for having fun and if one alternative is more appealing to you then there's no need to force yourself to finish up one place before going on to another. It's not like you must do your homework before you can go play or eat all your veggies before you can have dessert.

In my early days (after exploring the tutorials and such), I terraformed a region by hand (which I called Podunk) and I played it until I learned a lot then saved that off as version 1 and reloaded it from empty and played again. I did that three times because once I learned so much more, it was more fun starting again using that knowledge.

[Spaceblaze 194]

I have a question about the borders of the region

So far all of the small towns and cities have been interacting with each other because there are roads and rails that connect to each other

But what about the borders of the region I can't have a look at, do I still need to connect them with roads and rail and stuff?

What I mean is, should I connect to the areas I can't see and play with, the areas the planes are flying over on this picture

 

[CorinaMarie 29,605]

6 minutes ago, Spaceblaze said:

What I mean is, should I connect to the areas I can't see and play with, the areas the planes are flying over on this picture

Yes. Connections to SimNation do allow freight near those borders to get out the city tile with shorter freight trip times.

[Spaceblaze 194]

I have a few questions concerning train stations and the manual doesn't mention anything about it

1. As I noticed it is handy to build passengers stations, but how about the other way around? Do I also need to build freight stations in commercial areas?

2. Do I need to build freight and passengers station next to each other, connecting them, fot the freight station to work? I never see activity on freight stations and I have never seen a freight train. Also both stations have a passenger and freight section when I click on the station with the transport info question mark

 

 

For the overall picture, I am still doing fine and more and more land gets develloped. The population is at 3,8M + and there is still a lot of land I can build on, so maybe it's possible to reach the 5M mark before I start on the large area in the center of the map

Currently I am working at the bottom left and when that area is finished I will move to the top left

 

[CorinaMarie 29,605]

1 hour ago, Spaceblaze said:

Do I also need to build freight stations in commercial areas?

In purely commercial areas, no. Freight stations only handle freight generated by industrial lots.

 

1 hour ago, Spaceblaze said:

Do I need to build freight and passengers station next to each other, connecting them, fot the freight station to work?

Nope. A freight station can be on its own with no passenger station anywhere near it.

The thing to keep in mind with any rail line freight station is that the game needs to see the truck route to it and then the subsequent shipment via rail as the quickest way for the freight to leave the city tile. If there is a better way via a road (et al) connection to an adjacent tile, then the game will send the freight that way. Also, if there is a seaport that is closer then it'll use that.

[TheMurderousCricket 5,055]

Another thing to remember is the train traffic.

When you build passenger and cargo platforms on the same rail line, it basically means they will use the same train tracks.

If traffic becomes bad enough, the passengers will complain that cargo trains strangle their commute. And vice versa!

If you can find some extra place, it is sometimes a better idea to make separate lines for each type of trains! 

[Spaceblaze 194]

While checking which factories transported goods via traffic or rail I came across this little green vehicle, What is it's function?

I can't give a better view because it moves very fast and when I stop the time it dissapears

 

Btw, I saw my first freight trains

 

[Whte_rbt 1,431]

@Spaceblaze I believe that its a line maintenance car. Used by engineers to manually inspect tracks.

[Cyclone Boom 16,875]

Yeah, that is what they are. Curious little things which keep scurrying about everywhere on the rails. They have no actual gameplay function, so are just a visual addition to represent how the rail network is being well maintained. If wanting to block them from appearing, there is a mod Cori made.

In the following topic:

 

[TheMurderousCricket 5,055]

7 hours ago, Cyclone Boom said:

Curious little things which keep scurrying about everywhere on the rails.

Yeah, I just love that "bip". I play with the traffic turned off so this is the only rail vehicle I ever get to SEEEEeeeeeeee..............