Bout time the simcity fans strike back!!

[Robstersfive 0]

Hey everyone

Okay so why are we just accepting this and moving on?? even i myself is gulity of this! looking forward to Cities XL which is all great However! why the hell should we the fans of simcity let one of best games in history rot away like this! think about time the fans strike back properly not just hate comments on forums, im talking about letters to EA, petitions! even websites promoting how terrible new simcity was and how they distroyed such a famous franchise, we should even boycott the spores because Will Wright should of never allowed sim city name to be distroyed like this

really wish Maxis never got taken over, hate the way EA will take credit for spores which woulda been a maxis game how sad

I really think the fans need to do more to show there disgust! EA should be apologising and admiting the new simcity a joke not forcing us to like it with crappy addons

[deathtopumpkins 43]

Well, there have been countless petitions and letters to EA. I've signed 'em. I've sent 'em. Did it help? No. EA doesn't care about loyal fans anymore, because they know that they make all (or at least most) of their money off of people who see the game in the store and think "Ooh... that looks cool," but then bring it home and not have it work on their computer. EA doesn't care if we actually play it as long as we buy it! I bet most people here bought SCS when it came out to see how bad it was, even if they haven't played it since.

And anybody remember "You killed SimCity!"?

It's not really Will Wright's fault though. EA bought the rights to the whole sim franchise from him before even SC4. Look at the credits. The only time his name is listed is as "Special Thanks to Will Wright for making the original SimCity." Maxis still exists as an independent company though. Will Wright created Spore under it's name, EA's just the publisher.

~You will not be using this site as a platform for hate mail, no matter how angry you are at someone behind a silly video game.~

EDIT: What hate mail? I don't even remember what I said there, but I'm not typing any hate mail at anybody. That was not my intention.

As much as I hate to admit it, I think we should give up on the SC franchise, and just look forward to CXL. If Will Wright decided to make another city builder, it couldn't be branded as SC, since EA owns the franchise. Thus, any future games in the SC series will be produced by EA's Sims Division.

[Hahayoudied 3]

I doubt EA is going to care about us. EA thinks we are NOT important because the Sims fans out number us. Beside, EA is trying to raise a new group of SimCity fans (by brainwashing them with the crappy SimCity games). City XL is our only hope to make EA realize that their crappy SimCity games isn't good at all.

The main reasons why EA chose to downgrade SimCity, greatly.

1. For profits (duh)

2. To raise a new SimCity fans by brainwashing them with the crappy SimCity games

3. SimCity 4 have hit the wall, if EA chose to make a SimCity game better than SC4, the new game would easily overload many consumer computers for years to come.

4.Maxis is too busy with Spores and the Sims, EA realize to keep SimCity alive, they have to create some kind of SimCity game (in this case, EA killed the real SimCity).

5. To compete against the group that created City Life and is creating City XL by mass producing new SimCity games to lure customers away from City XL(EA is making crappy SimCity games that is really, really, crappy compared to City XL and SC4 with plugins).

[Robstersfive 0]

well i never buy EA games anymore, stopped buying need for speed as pro street demo was terrible, thankgod for codemasters grid, simcity will go the same way CitiesXL will distroy latest simcity. Really cant see EA repuation lasting long like this, they are killing to many franchises

C&C, Simcity, Need for Speed....im sure there more!!

[Spinmaster 75]

I've been very critical of SCS myself, and EA's handling of it. But two points do stand out:

1. For profits (duh)quote>

Duh indeed. They are a business, after all. To be blunt, they're not supposed to care about "us", they're supposed to care about profits, period. And I'm sure their shareholders would agree. Yes, I know the age-old philosophical debate, "but they have to care about fans to get profits"... simply put, that's correct. But business isn't always so simple. They certainly took a bad turn with SCS, making a game so miserable it's still being outsold by its 5-year-old predecessor. It's already cheaper than, or at least the same price as, SC4 in many stores. Profits? They certainly missed the potential, with SCS. And I'm sure their shareholders would agree.

But was it a bad decision? Hmmm....

4.Maxis is too busy with Spores and the Sims, EA realize to keep SimCity alive, they have to create some kind of SimCity game (in this case, EA killed the real SimCity).quote>

Did they? We are still talking about it, after all. Bad publicity is still publicity. I'm not saying there's big hope for a new true SimCity sequel. Maybe, maybe not. But continuing to talk about it might be all EA was really looking for with SCS in the first place (particularly with all the talk about Cities XL et al) - to keep us talking about EA and SimCity. Good, bad, or ugly... we are still talking about it.

[Haljackey 17,398]

Once Will Wright and Maxis are finished with Spore, we all hope they will rescue the Simcity Series. It is in dire need of help as we all know.

To my knowledge Wright stated that he is no longer interested in making any new franchises, so that may allow him to focus on the existing ones.

[Robstersfive 0]

Originally posted by: haljackey Once Will Wright and Maxis are finished with Spore, we all hope they will rescue the Simcity Series. It is in dire need of help as we all know.

To my knowledge Wright stated that he is no longer interested in making any new franchises, so that may allow him to focus on the existing ones.quote>

 

where did he say this? whats your source? because that sounds interesting

[Jasoncw 11,949]

It doesn't really matter, Will Wright hasn't worked on any of the SimCity games since SC2K. Unless he decided to get back into it.

[baertooth 330]

I read he said he wasn't interested in making sequeals.  He was saying making seqeals is boring and all he want's to do is make new games, not rehashes of the games he already made.

[Jazzmaster 716]

Obviously, the new SimCity game (SimCity: Creator) that is coming out on the Wii is proof that this won't work, and neither will any of the other petitions/letters/hate posts on various forums. So let's enjoy the game as-is until EA sucks the last of it dry, eh?

[LivingInThePast 364]

SimCity has basically gone to crap. It's still not too late to save it, even if it does require selling it or spinning off it off (imagine: SimCity 5

[hamsterTK 93]

Will Wright has his new interests now.

Hopefully Cities XL will be great, and city building games will continue to be made for a long time to come.

[Patricius Maximus 236]

Last time I checked, SimCity 4 is still merrily on the shelves of the local Target.quote>

It sure is. I checked in the electronics section, and SC4 outsold SCS.

It doesn't really matter, Will Wright hasn't worked on any of the SimCity games since SC2K. Unless he decided to get back into it.quote>

Correction: SC3K. However, SC4 is proof that Will Wright need not work on it directly. The Maxis team with the proper motivation and following in his vision can create a great Simcity.

Will Wright has his new interests now.quote>

Yes, but creative geniuses often go back to their older work...

[korsferd 4]

Actually, Monte Cristo is doing a excellent work in CitiesXL. They tend to hear our petitions and ideas and we must catch this oportunity to get involved in this turning of scenarios.

Watch EA losing ground for other gamehouses will be a pleasure for me. For all those crappy games that has been launched, they deserve more than "Hate letters", they deserve oblivion.

We must look forward! Stop crying for a miserable game of a fallen ill gamehouse.

I vote for Monte Cristo Cities XL, Codemasters Dirt/Grid (race genre) and Call Of Duty (Shooter genre)

[Robstersfive 0]

Originally posted by: korsferd Actually, Monte Cristo is doing a excellent work in CitiesXL. They tend to hear our petitions and ideas and we must catch this oportunity to get involved in this turning of scenarios.

Watch EA losing ground for other gamehouses will be a pleasure for me. For all those crappy games that has been launched, they deserve more than "Hate letters", they deserve oblivion.

We must look forward! Stop crying for a miserable game of a fallen ill gamehouse.

I vote for Monte Cristo Cities XL, Codemasters Dirt/Grid (race genre) and Call Of Duty (Shooter genre)quote>

 

yeah we need compertition again! grid does totally crush NFS pro street and im sure cities xl will with simcity societies

[Ntq€310 1]

mabey with the competion from citiesxl and the huge possiblity that that game is going to kill scs sales wise, EA may try to improve simcity to a point what we wanted it to be. But that's just being hopefull

[Robstersfive 0]

i doubt we heard the last of simcity, i hear distinations has made it a bit better? not tried myself yet but was disapointed with scs

[rct3twins 14]

Originally posted by: Robstersfive

Originally posted by: korsferd Actually, Monte Cristo is doing a excellent work in CitiesXL. They tend to hear our petitions and ideas and we must catch this oportunity to get involved in this turning of scenarios.

Watch EA losing ground for other gamehouses will be a pleasure for me. For all those crappy games that has been launched, they deserve more than "Hate letters", they deserve oblivion.

We must look forward! Stop crying for a miserable game of a fallen ill gamehouse.

I vote for Monte Cristo Cities XL, Codemasters Dirt/Grid (race genre) and Call Of Duty (Shooter genre)quote>

 

yeah we need compertition again! grid does totally crush NFS pro street and im sure cities xl will with simcity societiesquote>

Aye!

[PogoTribal 1]

Originally posted by: deathtopumpkins Well, there have been countless petitions and letters to EA. I've signed 'em. I've sent 'em. Did it help? No. EA doesn't care about loyal fans anymore, because they know that they make all (or at least most) of their money off of people who see the game in the store and think "Ooh... that looks cool," but then bring it home and not have it work on their computer. EA doesn't care if we actually play it as long as we buy it! I bet most people here bought SCS when it came out to see how bad it was, even if they haven't played it since.

And anybody remember "You killed SimCity!"?

It's not really Will Wright's fault though. EA bought the rights to the whole sim franchise from him before even SC4. Look at the credits. The only time his name is listed is as "Special Thanks to Will Wright for making the original SimCity." Maxis still exists as an independent company though. Will Wright created Spore under it's name, EA's just the publisher.quote>

That's right. EA makes games based on its bottom line.

NEWS FLASH

ALL game companies make games for PROFIT.

Your post is so hyperbolic and whiny that it's hilarious how ignorant you really are of how the game industry works.

As for everyone else trying to give "suggestions" to CitiesXL or any other game developer... stop. You think after playing a couple years of Simcity that you have some idea of how to create game features and implement them. You don't know jack. Your suggestions are most likely useless and unimplementable.

[masochist 111]

Originally posted by: PogoTribal That's right. EA makes games based on its bottom line.

NEWS FLASH

ALL game companies make games for PROFIT.quote>

Hmmm...I half-agree with this.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who has realized that game companies are, when it all comes down to it, in it for the money.  But it depends on which one you're talking about. 

Let's compare the games industry to the music industry.  The largest record labels are analogous to EA; that is, they're interested in the best way to make the biggest amount of cash.  Most large record labels will sign the artists who they believe will sell the most albums, no matter what genre of music they produce.  Likewise, EA is only going to produce/develop/distribute/put their name on those games that they believe will fly off the shelves the fastest, again, regardless of genre (hence why they produce The Sims, the Command and Conquer and the Madden football series').

On the other hand, a smaller "indie" game company like Monte Cristo, while also in it for the money, will usually have to focus on something that will be a long-time seller and give fans something that will make them stick with the company and/or sample the company's other works.  This means they'll have to focus more of their efforts on making games more specific to certain fans, just as indie music labels will often times focus on a particular type of genre (punk, metal, folk, etc.).  This, then brings up the next part of your post:

Originally posted by: PogoTribal As for everyone else trying to give "suggestions" to CitiesXL or any other game developer... stop. You think after playing a couple years of Simcity that you have some idea of how to create game features and implement them. You don't know jack. Your suggestions are most likely useless and unimplementable.quote>

Obviously, you don't know much about the situation yourself.  The truth is that Monte Cristo asked us for our input from the day we caught wind of the game; all the time I see Phillipe DaSilva in the chat room and on the boards, probing minds, asking people what they want to see. There have been many opinions and concerns from SimCity fans that were addressed by MC, and I assure you that there have been many ideas that are being implemented in the game that were born on the CXL forums.  I strongly doubt that anyone is under the delusion that simply because they suggest an idea, it will automatically be implemented into the game (or even be considered), but based on how closely MC has been willing to work with us, I'm under the impression that our opinions really do matter, and rightfully so: after 5 years of playing SC4 (and decades of the entire SimCity series), and after changing it so drastically that even after this long it's still among the top selling P.C. games, I'm pretty sure that we as a fanbase might know a thing or two when it comes to thinking up features for a game like this .

It was a good attempt, but it might behoove you to do a bit more research yourself next time .

[patfirefghtr 160]

Originally posted by: masochist

Originally posted by: PogoTribal That's right. EA makes games based on its bottom line.

NEWS FLASH

ALL game companies make games for PROFIT.quote>

Hmmm...I half-agree with this.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who has realized that game companies are, when it all comes down to it, in it for the money.  But it depends on which one you're talking about. 

Let's compare the games industry to the music industry.  The largest record labels are analogous to EA; that is, they're interested in the best way to make the biggest amount of cash.  Most large record labels will sign the artists who they believe will sell the most albums, no matter what genre of music they produce.  Likewise, EA is only going to produce/develop/distribute/put their name on those games that they believe will fly off the shelves the fastest, again, regardless of genre (hence why they produce The Sims, the Command and Conquer and the Madden football series').

On the other hand, a smaller "indie" game company like Monte Cristo, while also in it for the money, will usually have to focus on something that will be a long-time seller and give fans something that will make them stick with the company and/or sample the company's other works.  This means they'll have to focus more of their efforts on making games more specific to certain fans, just as indie music labels will often times focus on a particular type of genre (punk, metal, folk, etc.).  This, then brings up the next part of your post:

Originally posted by: PogoTribal As for everyone else trying to give "suggestions" to CitiesXL or any other game developer... stop. You think after playing a couple years of Simcity that you have some idea of how to create game features and implement them. You don't know jack. Your suggestions are most likely useless and unimplementable.quote>

Obviously, you don't know much about the situation yourself.  The truth is that Monte Cristo asked us for our input from the day we caught wind of the game; all the time I see Phillipe DaSilva in the chat room and on the boards, probing minds, asking people what they want to see. There have been many opinions and concerns from SimCity fans that were addressed by MC, and I assure you that there have been many ideas that are being implemented in the game that were born on the CXL forums.  I strongly doubt that anyone is under the delusion that simply because they suggest an idea, it will automatically be implemented into the game (or even be considered), but based on how closely MC has been willing to work with us, I'm under the impression that our opinions really do matter, and rightfully so: after 5 years of playing SC4 (and decades of the entire SimCity series), and after changing it so drastically that even after this long it's still among the top selling P.C. games, I'm pretty sure that we as a fanbase might know a thing or two when it comes to thinking up features for a game like this .

It was a good attempt, but it might behoove you to do a bit more research yourself next time .quote>

 

Masochist amen!!! MC is actualy using our idea's and is a devolper for the people... I belive Mr. DaSilvia said something similar himself along those lines.... I am for one excited to see the newest video's on the transportation networks as if I recall that is what we wanted more control and more realistic devolpment of Networks..... I so hope MC gives EA the run for their collective behinds!!! lol

[Mr. Random 3]

I hate how EA has turned into a brand I see on most games i miss the old days where nintendo still made OK games EA wasnt a Game-Killer and Halo 1 was the cutting edge in graphics *sigh* I havent played SCS myself but the reviews were horrible and the pictures showed a low grapgic quality too. Hey for chistmas or -insert joyus holyday to wish for somthing here- that we should all wish for EA to make better quality games

Pshh that thats going to happen XD

[deathtopumpkins 43]

Your post is so hyperbolic and whiny that it's hilarious how ignorant you really are of how the game industry works.quote>

How was that post of mine hyperbolic or whiny? And how am I ignorant of how the industry really works? I said in my post that EA is in it for the money and doesn't care about the quality of the game as long as people buy it, which is completely true.

And about CXL, MC asked up for our input!

Masochist and Pat, excellent responses.

[sim-Al2 4]

This is getting really bloody. IMHO, as long as EA's making money, they will not listen to consumer compliant. Their only goal is to extract as much money from people's pocket as possible. Even if the entire Sim's division was boycotted, they would just make other games in different generes. Let's forget this bloody arguement and just wait for CXL. I like how MC is taking opnions from actual users, unlike a certain company we know of (*cough*_EA*cough*)

[Tia-may 0]

I feel sorry for Will Wright.

Robstersfive, In my opinion, this is a reason why I have a second preference in terms of my favourite games. In my case Trainz Railroad Simulator Classics is one of them, so I do not lose the taste for custom content should I have no more appetite to buy the Sims 3. I would certainly not buy Spore, because, in my own opinion most creatures I have tested have a cute feeling to it, a bit like Barney the Dinosaur.

[Shingure 56]

The Thing About Profit in the Gaming Industry is about what the PEOPLE want.

The larger the amount of people , The more possibilty there is of such product being made. It's simply called supply and demand. Say that there are 1,000,000 SC4 Fans. And there are only 200,000 SCS fans there is is a slighter chance that they will back up and say " Maybe we should work on 5 and quit the crap." But then say for instance in the Simcity franchise you have only 2,000,000 people who are fans and in the Sims Franchise you have 6 times as many or rather 12,000,000 fans. That will say something to you right there that more will be created for the Sims because it has captured a fan base. When Simcity first came out it dominated. Then when SC2K came out there was the Sims. More people choose to go the sims. Then simcity 3k. By then it was competition between the Sims and Simcity 3000. Sims got the upper hand. Then Simcity 4 came out , It possibly drew in most of the current and dissapointed Simcity fanbase. Iam one of those people who were 7 years old and playing SC2K and then when I was 9 I got SC3K and then when I turned 11 I got SC4. Meaning I have been there for a minute.

When the Sims 2 came out it was an innovation in simulators and because to fight with SC4 , It won that fight and it gets to live on for another sequel. Simcity 4 , now ecthing on 5 years is still most perfered and many are repulsed by the fact that EA has let the Simcity Divison crumple the way it has. They will need to wake up and see that most diehard SC fans want a true 5 with versatility. And they need to come up with something quick before Cities XL blows the whole entire thing into Oblivion. Then there will be more Monte Cristo Cities XL journals on here and several other sites. Honestly it's a ticking timebomb that seems to be skipping seconds. And I can't wait until the people in EA realize that many fans of the SC franchise want a true 5 . Also Will Wright. He won't be working on anymore franchises because he figures that his money is made so he might as well sit on it and retire while leaving die hard fans screwed. It will be a matter of time before the community joins as a whole and creates a Simcity 5 or rather City Simulator in it's own right.

[Skater_Jack2008 1]

I Totally agree, i played the demo and found scs was pretty awful. obviously ea doesnt care about us (anymore) nfs was gr8 until pro street! they're also copying over peoples games too, skate = better funded ver of tony hawk, rock band = cheeky new instrument ver of gh1,2,3. EA used to be great, but now they just dont care....

[yellowguy88 1]

I QUOTE THIS (from wikipedia):

Wright stated that Maxis is currently attempting to work out a "new direction" for SimCity after new versions had become "steadily more complex". He ended his comments on SimCity with the following:

" SimCity kind of worked itself into a corner, (because) we were still appealing to this core SimCity group. It had gotten a little complicated for people who had never played SimCity. We want to take it back to its roots where somebody who had never heard of SimCity can pick it up and enjoy playing it without thinking it was really, really hard.

I Hate SCS but I can understand why they choose to change the feel of Sim city, they made a mistake with SCS but i dnt think they'll ever bring out a new SimCity like SC4. I think the direction SimCity is goin now is Not as a Simulation of a City but more a fun game like the tycoon series,something not ' really, really hard'

In saying all this I cannot wait for CitiesXL! I think this is where we will have to turn to get are ' really really hard' game!

[Soviet779 1]

Originally posted by: Robstersfive Hey everyone

Okay so why are we just accepting this and moving on?? even i myself is gulity of this! looking forward to Cities XL which is all great However! why the hell should we the fans of simcity let one of best games in history rot away like this! think about time the fans strike back properly not just hate comments on forums, im talking about letters to EA, petitions! even websites promoting how terrible new simcity was and how they distroyed such a famous franchise, we should even boycott the spores because Will Wright should of never allowed sim city name to be distroyed like this

really wish Maxis never got taken over, hate the way EA will take credit for spores which woulda been a maxis game how sad

I really think the fans need to do more to show there disgust! EA should be apologising and admiting the new simcity a joke not forcing us to like it with crappy addonsquote>

It dosent work, didnt work with c&c and it wont work here. The best you can do is inform people about EA, even the people who buy FIFA every year, get them to buy PRO EVO instead, sports games suck in my opinion but if someones gonna buy them they might as well give the money to a company that isnt EA. Also dont buy any EA games, i havent bought an EA game since they butchered c&c. Dosent mean you cant play any games they make.... but dont give them any money for it! Only do that with developers that deserve your green.

If they keep getting money their buisness model of low quality games and crappy sequals to once good franchises will continue.

I also think a website should be set up about EA, some guy did something like that about "comcast" the ISP, i dont know why comcast are bad but they mustve done something wrong to warrent a "destroy comcast" website popping up. EA needs something similar.

[Naryanna 0]

Well... there were times that are now long past when I seen an EA tag on a box and knew that if I buy that game I shall not be dissapointed.... I miss those times, dearly... Today when I see EA tag on a box I hold it for a second or two, looking the box...thinking... should I try, did they maybe returned back in time and provide a good game or is it just another crapy product? I usualy put it back and move over but sometimes, just sometimes the optimistical and hoping side of me wins and I buy a game as I did with SCS and ofcourse when instaled my quantity of hope decreases even more. At this point I am not even taking and EA box in my hands anymore, I just pass the shelve and *sight*.

My hope is now orientated to other groups/publishers... I hope for the best but I am prepared for the worst. As the quality of real life over the word is decreasing, people are hungry and without homes while some are rich and have everything... same is happening in gaming industry... publishers like EA (but not only them) are going rich while the players are starwed for a good title that would bring them "food" and "home".

What can we do about it? Not much, realy... You can donate money.food& clothes for the 3rd world countrys and we are doing that for years but do they have enaug food now or do they have enaugh medicine? They dont. Same is in gaming world... we can complain, nag and be mad but what does that change? Not much, realy.