Streetside mod tree problem

[Vanz1 11]

Hi everyone, i have a problem, from some day my jeronji streetside mod don't work at all because one of the trees is showed with a brown box(i believe that is a tree but i really i don't know if is some other streetside object) and i don't know the origin of the problem because in the last 3 days i have downloaded a lot of buildings an the dependencies of them(luckily not a big number) and now i don't know what to do to see again all the trees, now i post a pic of the problem,

[Vanz1 11]

It seems to me that the brown boxes are more in the commercial areas.

[matias93 7,535]

Your best chance is to go back to the dependencies' list of the mod, and reinstall all the required plugins. Instead of trying to pinpoint which tree is omitted, then you will ensure that all of them are available.

[deezedgod 177]

I assume you've downloaded it from the SC4D LEX? The LEX has a nice feature in that if you click on a download, it will tell you if you've ever downloaded it in the past. Go to the streetside mod page on the LEX (https://www.sc4devotion.com/csxlex/lex_filedesc.php?lotGET=115), go down to dependencies, click on all of them, and see if any of them say You have never downloaded this near the top of the page. That way, you can easily see which dependencies you're missing.

[Vanz1 11]

Thanks for the answers, when i have time i see the dependencies,  but don't exist a mod that search the missing dependencies for the mods? Anyway i have tried too to delete temporarily the porkie props vol 2 (that have seasonal road trees )  But nothing the boxe don't disapperas

[Vanz1 11]

1 hour ago, deezedgod said:

I assume you've downloaded it from the SC4D LEX? The LEX has a nice feature in that if you click on a download, it will tell you if you've ever downloaded it in the past. Go to the streetside mod page on the LEX (https://www.sc4devotion.com/csxlex/lex_filedesc.php?lotGET=115), go down to dependencies, click on all of them, and see if any of them say You have never downloaded this near the top of the page. That way, you can easily see which dependencies you're missing.

Thanks Now i go to see But the strange thing is that before of the last 3 days the jeronji mod work without brown box es so before i had all the dependencies, maybe some new mod have override this single tree, Sorry for my english 

[Vanz1 11]

4 hours ago, deezedgod said:

I assume you've downloaded it from the SC4D LEX? The LEX has a nice feature in that if you click on a download, it will tell you if you've ever downloaded it in the past. Go to the streetside mod page on the LEX (https://www.sc4devotion.com/csxlex/lex_filedesc.php?lotGET=115), go down to dependencies, click on all of them, and see if any of them say You have never downloaded this near the top of the page. That way, you can easily see which dependencies you're missing.

I have download again the streetside dependencies like you have said and now it work again and the brown boxes are disappeared!!!! thank you very much  

[Vanz1 11]

only one last thing if i can  (or is better to start another topic?) i have another strange problem always with the trees (trees hate me XD)  but this time in the backyards and gardens of buidings, i have the maxis replacement seasonal lot trees mod)this mod have no dependencies) and it create seasonal trees in the original maxis buildings,lots, always in the last days the trees in the new buildings appears for1 second and than disappears,, what can i do?

[rsc204 21,806]

6 minutes ago, Vanz1 said:

i have the maxis replacement seasonal lot trees mod)this mod have no dependencies) and it create seasonal trees in the original maxis buildings,lots, always in the last days the trees in the new buildings appears for1 second and than disappears,, what can i do?

Well I don't know of the mod you refer to, a link would be helpful, but straight away there is a problem.

Timed Props (like Seasonal Trees), must use RKT4 Exemplars, this is techy talk for saying a prop that can switch between different models or seasons. All of the Maxis trees are the standard RKT1 type, which don't allow for such switching. This is a problem, because changing the RKT type in this manner, has been demonstrated to cause Prop Pox. As such, this kind of modding is generally left well alone. What you must do (as a modder), is instead of override the trees or props, you must find a way to make it work with unique ones. Since it's not possible to do this, without altering every lot/item that uses the Maxis trees, it seems fairly likely you have the conditions for this issue to occur.

The good news is, if you are using the latest version of SC4Fix, it shouldn't cause any damage to your save files. So if you don't have that installed, I highly recommend you install it, although it's a mod every player should have because it also prevents the game CTDing when Puzzle Pieces/Network Items are hovered over TE lots.

Once we can peek inside the Seasonal Trees mod, we can look to see what might be causing the timing issues. But it seems like one of the properties is not quite right, meaning the sequence "ends" or isn't working as intended.

[Vanz1 11]

3 hours ago, rsc204 said:

Well I don't know of the mod you refer to, a link would be helpful, but straight away there is a problem.

Timed Props (like Seasonal Trees), must use RKT4 Exemplars, this is techy talk for saying a prop that can switch between different models or seasons. All of the Maxis trees are the standard RKT1 type, which don't allow for such switching. This is a problem, because changing the RKT type in this manner, has been demonstrated to cause Prop Pox. As such, this kind of modding is generally left well alone. What you must do (as a modder), is instead of override the trees or props, you must find a way to make it work with unique ones. Since it's not possible to do this, without altering every lot/item that uses the Maxis trees, it seems fairly likely you have the conditions for this issue to occur.

The good news is, if you are using the latest version of SC4Fix, it shouldn't cause any damage to your save files. So if you don't have that installed, I highly recommend you install it, although it's a mod every player should have because it also prevents the game CTDing when Puzzle Pieces/Network Items are hovered over TE lots.

Once we can peek inside the Seasonal Trees mod, we can look to see what might be causing the timing issues. But it seems like one of the properties is not quite right, meaning the sequence "ends" or isn't working as intended.

Really thanks for the infos, the mod i use is this, i don't have sc4fix so now i download it, when downloaded what i have to do with the tool precisely?

edit: is surely an override of mods because i have build new areas and new seasonal trees appeared over a bit of time in the gardens (but only in residential areas and less trees than before) so i maybe have downloaded another seasonal tree mod but i like the first mod not this last one, i must reactivate the last seasonal mod

[rsc204 21,806]

OK, so it seems my initial fears were unwarranted: 

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The mod contains more than 1100 relotted Maxis lots

So it doesn't directly override the Exemplars, instead it overrides the Lots. It might sound similar, but this is totally safe, the downside is that to see the seasonal trees, everything needs to be re-built or you need to start a new city. Still, SC4Fix is something everyone ought to have, so I'd recommend keeping it.

With that out of the way, we'll need to take a peek at the Exemplars and specifically the timing properties used, to see if there is some clue there. In theory such Props should be in a yearly cycle and repeat every year, but it's possible they hit some limit and stopped. They could also be Flora not Props, but let's check before we get into that.

Right now though, if I don't sleep, I won't be much good looking at Exemplars. But if I forget to come back to you in a day or two and you still need help, page me (just type the @ key, followed without a space by my username, RSC204) into a new post. That will ensure it get's my attention, of course someone else may also be able to assist in the meantime.

[CorinaMarie 29,578]

8 hours ago, Vanz1 said:

i don't have sc4fix so now i download it, when downloaded what i have to do with the tool precisely?

Just toss it in your plugins folder. It can go in the one in your Documents folder, but most peeps (myself included) like to put it in the plugins of the game's installation folder.

You can tell it's in effect when running the game and the title on the task bar changes like this:

[rsc204 21,806]

On 09/02/2021 at 10:13 PM, rsc204 said:

With that out of the way, we'll need to take a peek at the Exemplars and specifically the timing properties used, to see if there is some clue there. In theory such Props should be in a yearly cycle and repeat every year, but it's possible they hit some limit and stopped. They could also be Flora not Props, but let's check before we get into that.

At first glance, it certainly doesn't look like any Prop Conversions were made whatsoever, literally everything used in that regard comes from the original packs. CPs Seasonal Trees are pretty tried and tested, with many thousands of users, they are pretty much the #1 set of seasonal trees in use. Therefore it's highly unlikely there is any sort of problem with the Exemplars that handle this Prop Timing, i.e. switching the seasons.

On 09/02/2021 at 12:54 PM, Vanz1 said:

i have another strange problem always with the trees (trees hate me XD)  but this time in the backyards and gardens of buidings, i have the maxis replacement seasonal lot trees mod)this mod have no dependencies)

So I only just noticed the part in bold, tracking back through the problem. It certainly does have dependencies, if you don't have CP's Vol.1 and Vol.2 installed, you won't be seeing many trees, which may well explain your problems. You'll need Girafe's Spruces too (dependencies listed on Download page). It's certainly possible something is overriding them too, altering their behaviour. But before looking into that, double-check the required files are indeed correctly installed.

On 09/02/2021 at 12:54 PM, Vanz1 said:

the trees in the new buildings appears for1 second and than disappears

However, if you didn't have these dependencies, the timing mechanism wouldn't exist, it's part of the Exemplars (Props) within those packs. So if that turns out to be the issue, it doesn't really explain whatever is briefly appearing.

It may also help to know how many game-years have elapsed in an affected city. Also open a new city you have not used before, do the trees come back if you grow some suitable buildings? We need to know if this is a local (just on city) or global (all cities, regardless) problem.

[Vanz1 11]

Thank you all for the answers, now i go to see if i have the dependencies you said, maybe is some missing tree, and i have yet downloaded sc4fix, anyway the problem is in all my region, every city