Reddonquixote's BAT thread

[Gn_leugim 853]

oh, my bad then ^^

[ROFLyoshi 1,760]

Just pulled this off a friend's Facebook. 
Maybe this can inspire nightlights, when it's ready for such?

[Reddonquixote 4,338]

Great! I especially love the way the lights shine through the arched glass above the entrance... this picture makes me want to do the Art Centre now too LOL.. I love how they have it lit in blue atm. I can see it from my window

[T Wrecks 10,209]

I just felt for my lower jaw

 

 

aaaaaand it's gone.

[Reddonquixote 4,338]

 

Only a small update for tonight. 

 

1) I've smoothed out the textures on the dome so they aren't so blotchy. I'm interested to hear which version everyone likes best? The domes are also de-glossed.

2) I've lightened the sandstone considerably. I have seen quite a few images where it looks like this, so I'm not dissatisfied with it this way.

3) I've tweaked some of the metal materials on and around the roof.

4) Not that you can really tell, but I've started to add some grime to the sandstone, mainly around the dome support.

5) I've redone the roofing textures, both on the roof and on the awnings.

 

That's about it...

 

Oh.. and below is a super-size close-up of the entrance clocks Unfortunately we won't see any of this detail in the game but the platform signs are kind of cute

 

 

[Toothless Stitch 2,901]

1: The dome looks definitely better now. However, I think the lower texture looks a bit out of place. I would use something else because right now it looks somewhat sandy

 

 

 

2: Woud you like to show us some of the pics you used as reference. I like it pretty much. In the second render, however, you can see the sandstone texture is tiling sometimes (Those parts looking like squares). Have you checked have often your texture is repeated?

 

3: I guess it won't be too visible in game but I'm glad to reaf you're paying attention to small details makinf every single building a masterpiece!

 

4: Same as in 3

 

5: This is very amazing. I like how they become real 

 

About the second render. I took a close look at it and...

 

 

Red: Modelling Bugs. You can see several overlapping polygons and some glitches which were created during modeling process.

 

Yellow: Texture Bugs. Most of them are stretched, some are tiling. I also circled the part i was talking about in 2.

 

Blue: The railing can be seen through the foundation (maybe due to transparency)

 

I also have a question about the windows. Are they supposed to be transparent or not. Because it looks like there are grey planes behind them. 

 

Hope this helped

[Darknono35 3,137]

WOW man, I can't believe my eyes :o ! Just and small update  .

I like your copper texture for the roof, it's very fine. And the details of the facade, just beautiful keep it up friend, you done and exellent work here

[Reddonquixote 4,338]

Thanks Darknono

 

@ Skyscraper.. Um... Lol... I guess that's what I get for posting a super close-up HD render! I'm not sure, I'll check but I'd say 90% of the things you pointed out aren't/weren't visible until it was blown up super-size. (Lesson for me, don't do that unless its perfect). Having said that, some of the things you pointed out, now they are visible when I peer at the small image so I better fix them now.

 

- Some of the modelling glitches I will fix.

- I can't tell what your circling in the top left corner, I don't think there's glitches there, that just the shape of the stonework... The dark patch on the stairs I think is just a dark patch in the texture but I will check it.

- The stretching textures I was always gong to fix

- The tiling sandstone texture isn't visible at normal size render (I don't believe anyway) so I don't think this needs fixing.

- The railing going into the foundation, in my head the metal rails have been cut to conform to the shape of the building, maybe I will put little feet on the ones touching the building so it looks more purposeful.

- The glass I hadn't actually done yet, as in spent anytime on it, and not sure how much time to spend on it to be honest. Glass isn't a strong feature of this building, in most cases its barely visible. That's a problem for later

 

Thanks for taking the time to point those things out

[Jack_wilds 550]

a tea time observation    ... lost the tea all over my pants    wow!    it surprised me and all that... particularly how you handled the dome and the entry.. the color texture and aging of the material is making for a '? type project' versus a simple model... :bunny:

[dubaidude303 1,119]

Wow oh wow!!! Its wonderful 

[T Wrecks 10,209]

I definitely prefer the domes in their new non-blotchiness.

[Reddonquixote 4,338]

I agree.. non-blotchy it is

[giorgos69 52]

Absolutely AMAZING! I cannot wait to replace my primative Flinders Street Station BAT with this one!! 

I have used a mixture of your bats and my own to recreate Melbourne BTW, see it here  https://community.simtropolis.com/journal/4327-melbourne-victoria-australias-city-of-dreams/

[Reddonquixote 4,338]

That's great Giorgios I 'm glad you're making great use out of the BATs I make

 

I can't tell which are the one's you've made but the crown casino looks pretty good! You should consider releasing some of these... it can be a bit daunting at first but I've found everyone is really helpful and its a great way to improve your skills

[giorgos69 52]

So far I made the Crown, Flinders St Station (which I will gladly replace with yours) and Federation Sq. I will definitely consider releasing them but honestly they are of poor quality compared to most of what is released on STEX. 

[Delecto 941]

Just great...

[Reddonquixote 4,338]

I'd love to see your Fed square I don't think it appears in your CJ. I'm tossing up whether to do Fed square next to kind of finish off the Flinders Street Station 'precinct' or whether to continue on with the 'loop' theme and do Parliament Station next. (Well, Parliament House and include Parliament Station.. otherwise it would just be holes in the ground lol)... Melbourne Central and lastly Southern Cross.. not sure what to do about Flagstaff though.. more 'holes in the ground'...

[Reddonquixote 4,338]

A couple of updates. I couldn't get the export to work, 3 times in a row garbled LODs so I photoshopped into a scene instead... I think the colours fit nicely with the game pallete. As for the textures themselves, the glass tunnels and dome need work, I need to make them look a bit more transparent, or translucent at least... (Like there's something behind the glass.. at the moment they look like solid lumps of glass) and the other area thats bugging me is the long sandstone tunnel/ ramp thing on the opposite end of the platform to where the main entrance is.. it looks too pristine and rather bland. I also still want to add "stuff" around the base to populate it a bit more. Let me know what you think

 

 

[dubaidude303 1,119]

It's beautiful! 

[Ceafus 88 1,794]

Looks really good! Keeping SC4 alive, one great building at a time.

[libellibicus 396]

Fantastic. Just fantastic.

[Darknono35 3,137]

WOW, gorgeous . Great job !!

[Reddonquixote 4,338]

I feel like I've gone as far as I can with this section, I'm going to move onto the long piece now, let me know if you think anything needs fixing on this one?

 

[libellibicus 396]

Absolutely amazing.

[Francis90b 748]

The whole result is mind-blowing, but i'd say there might still something left...

 

I notice lack of details  (details that should have been there) and discrepancies in the stone-clad section facing the river....

 

For example, there is an arch between the round area and the sidewalk.

The round area itself is depicted as a flat surface punctured by window openings, yet there should be an overhanging cornice above them, as well as stylized flat columns in the gaps between them - the diagonal, covered passage beyond the rounded area should be partially clad in glass, rather than being all in stone, as it is now.

 

The stone basement of the biggest cupola above the corner section seems to have arched windows for each side of the dome that faces away from the main facade, while all one can see in your depiction is a flat wall (*).

 

(source:street view, looking north from the bridge south of the railway station.)

 

These windows, seems, upon a closer look, to be complimented by other two windows on each side of them, the appearence of the whole ensemble resembling a palladian window.

 

Roof parapet on the sides away from the corner looks shorter than roof parapet on sides facing it.

 

(source - bing maps aerial views over Flinders st. and surrounding area.)

 

Speaking about the roof parapet above the main facade (the sides facing the roads), i'm under the impression that the area that is taken up by the balaustrade, if compared to the flat wall area below it, is higher in comparison in real life than depicted in your model.In other words, given X as the total height of the roof parapet, Y as the height of the balaustrade, and Z the height of the flat wall below the balaustrade but above the lower parapet line, i'm under the impression that the ratio between Y and Z in your model is different than the ratio between them IRL so that

 

Y(rl):Z(rl) is different than Y(md):Z(md) and

Y(rl):Z(rl) > Y(md):Z(md)

 

I'm not so positive about this last one, though.

 

(source:closeups of the building's facade in street view)

 

(*) by flat wall i mean, in your model as well as in real life building, one wall area that is flat, not interrupted by either mouldings, cornice, trims, sculptures or windows)

[Reddonquixote 4,338]

omg.. I can't believe I said that was finished... modeling equivalent of domestic blindness.. I knew that needed fixing and I just.. didn't ... Im on it now

 

edit: oh.. but I only just spotted the windows at the back of the dome about 5 minutes ago while I was looking at references of the back of the long piece, then I read your comment.. They eluded me this whole time

[Aaron Graham 4,417]

OMG!!!! Great work on the modeling.

I think the gloss on the HVAC is to much, i think there need to be some aging on them.

[Francis90b 748]

omg.. I can't believe I said that was finished... modeling equivalent of domestic blindness.. I knew that needed fixing and I just.. didn't ... Im on it now

 

edit: oh.. but I only just spotted the windows at the back of the dome about 5 minutes ago while I was looking at references of the back of the long piece, then I read your comment.. They eluded me this whole time

 

You've done, by yourself,  far more than many people would ever have done...so, while you might have missed until now some things, downrating yourself for "domestic blindness" seems a bit too much....

 

I'd be happy to see what the fixes will bring...i'd also feel like asking wheter you might, in the future, considering releasing the corner section alone, so that someone might use it and the long wing, and sheds of his own liking, to build an on-grade stub end railway station (that's an uninterested suggestion, heheh..).

[Reddonquixote 4,338]

 

.i'd also feel like asking wheter you might, in the future, considering releasing the corner section alone, so that someone might use it and the long wing, and sheds of his own liking, to build an on-grade stub end railway station (that's an uninterested suggestion, heheh..).

 

 

I have been considering this.. one thing is for certain, it will be modular, to what extent the pieces will be separated I'm not sure yet. The difficulty lies in the fact that:

1) For every piece thats nots connected to another piece it needs to be "complete". i.e. At the moment, if you pull away the 'shed', the model underneath is (probably) a mess of untextured backfaces of polygons. To release on its own means I need to complete the model and texture that area.

2) For every piece that connects with another piece comes a lodding headache... I'm already dreading how to piece together the sections that I know I will be piecing together

 

Let me put it this way... its not a small request, but if I can do it without extreme effort involved, then I probably will

[Reddonquixote 4,338]

Not sure it looks much different lol...