nybt-forum-threads Aaron Graham's NYBT Residential Thread

[Darknono35 3,138]

this was not a bad critic, far away, like have say Parisian, my cities are full of your BAT, because they are among the best to make an American city. But I did not know it was a way to hide the water tanks on some of the buildings are visible and others are not. It is true that New York is lovely for its mix of architecture, old building adjacent to both modern skyscrapers

And we are not tired of your building from 1950 & 1960, however we need more

[Sgt Pepper 864]

An enclosed water tower appeared on most nyc apartment building designs from 1920's well into the 1960's - and it was often designed to literally top off the composition of the building it belonged to.

By observing both contemporary drawings and surviving examples, it could be easily noticed that the aestethic threatment applied to those surfaces, while being often rather simple (especially in more recent designs) - sometimes exceeds, even if just with subtle and hardly noticeable details or features, what's to be expected from what basically is just a wall to enclose a tank (this, even if our opinion of the result is less than flattering).

For this specific building, the "aestethic threatment" is just a grillwork - however, the building itself seems to still follow the philosophy i detailed in the first statement.

Asking the BATer to remove this for the sake of a personal value judgement is not going to do any good.

I'd say to keep the water tower as it is, not because of it's "beauty" (subjective, and therefore irrelevant) - but because of the role it plays on the composition of this specific kind of building.

"A dirtier texture for a R$" - why, exactly? from where does it come from??

Wealth is NOT associated with dirt.

Soot affects both low and high wealth buildings walls equally over the time...,

The prejudice that says that high wealth buildings should be cleaner might come from the assumption that the owner of a high wealth building might have more money and more motivation to keep it's facades clean.This is often not true - 240 Central park west (an high wealth apartment building building during all of it's life) got it's facade renovated only once in fifty years...and because the facade itself needed much more than just a cleaning.

Another good example might be the rockfeller center...built in 1933, it's facade was cleaned from the unbelievable amount of soot that deposited on it only fifty years later, in the early 80's...and i guess that the rockfeller center was owned by people who could put some money into it...

on the other hand, even low wealth buildings might be reclad, or painted over during the time, giving them a "clean" look...

Hmph, Francis I think you completely misread what I was asking.

I was asking this as an idea for a variation, not to completely replace the BAT. I wasn't saying it had to be done, it was just an idea.

By the way, most buildings, where I'm from, associated with wealth, have a run down or dirty appearance to them. I guess things could be somewhat different up there in New York compared to down here in Louisiana but I still stand by believing that a really grime-filled appearance can be associated with lower wealth.

These little perfectionism whims and arguments are part of why I don't want to BAT with NYBT anymore, just saying. It takes the fun out of this for me.

Carry on Aaron, my idea was just a suggestion for an optional variant to your BAT.

[Francis90b 748]

Hmph, Francis I think you completely misread what I was asking.

I was asking this as an idea for a variation, not to completely replace the BAT. I wasn't saying it had to be done, it was just an idea.

I didn't miss that.But any idea should be questioned or criticized, even if it's only an idea - shouldn't it? that's what i did.

By the way, most buildings, where I'm from, associated with wealth, have a run down or dirty appearance to them. I guess things could be somewhat different up there in New York compared to down here in Louisiana but I still stand by believing that a really grime-filled appearance can be associated with lower wealth.

You talk about one way things could be, and i talk about another - point is to never get too stuck in any of them, cause things can always be different .

These little perfectionism whims and arguments are part of why I don't want to BAT with NYBT anymore, just saying. It takes the fun out of this for me.

Why should an argument ruin your fun?

[Sgt Pepper 864]

Things can always be different Francis, as my suggestions are different from your suggestions and I criticize yours, as you criticize mine. Seems your stuck in your own idea of the ways things could be, don't you see? By the way, I see a lot of ideas and ways to anything.

I don't see what's so wrong with my suggestion. I thought it was a grand idea, and it would give a variation of Aaron's BAT a more different appearance besides solely the color, which would be great for of course more varied blocks.

Oh, why would an argument ruin the fun? Well, arguments can get heated, and some if not most are pointless anyway.

[darn42 1,268]

Why avoid arguments just because they might get heated, if neither party wants that, it probably won't happen. Arguments are the number one way to progress because they force you to analyze why you think the way you do, explain it to someone else, and then they explain why they think their way. I love arguments; I always learn from them, especially if I'm wrong.

As for the dirt variation, I think it's a good idea. It doesn't have to be based on wealth, but it would make sense in my mind if it did. It's true that some wealthy buildings are dirty and poor are clean, but for the vast majority, the lower wealth buildings will either be less well kept after, or located in dirtier areas. If aaron is considering this, it has my vote.

[Fargo 566]

If you wanted to BAT something grittier, you could consider some W2W office towers like the ones in the top right of this picture.

[PBGV103 729]

Aaron, I love you style! I would love to have your talent for making these types of buildings. If you're looking for a slightly different building but one that isn't out of your comfort zone I think I may have found one. Check out the Postum Building on Park Avenue. It's one of the last of it's kind in the area. You could also check out 570 Lexington Avenue. It's slightly larger than most of what you've done, but a remake is needed since my old embarrassing attempt at it. I'm sure a 3ds max version would really bring out it's art deco flare.

Also, I think everyone needs to calm down with the arguing. It's gotten out of control.

[Francis90b 748]

Back when I was a little girl-boy in France, I used to pick pretty daisies.

The boys from the village would whisper my name, "Brandon, oh Brandon! Why don't you show us that fine violin you play?"

So then I traveled to Saint Ives and met a man with 9 wives. I also met a cat with 9 lives there.

I played the violin for the 9 wives, and they argued I should play a different tune.

So I went to pick more daisies for inspiration.

It got me emotional, which is what I needed for inspiration for my emotional violin.

But instead I went home and did not play the violin.

I sat down, and stopped caring.

"Sgt, i strongly suspect you raise the banner of freedom of speech just to shield yourself from any criticism, either self criticism, throrough analysis or objectivity (which you don't often seem to really care about), or criticism from any other people, which you seem to take quite badly."

Wrong assumption.

"You can call it "being struck in your own ways" only if you downrate all this into the filtering of information by some kind of mind that's utterly uncapable of seeing, analyzing or considering anything but what she feels - a description i would honestly consider far more appropriate for you than for me, sir."

Ha, right. Because you can make that insinuation over a personal taste for a BAT in a game.

Sorry to have wasted your time with your long post, Francis, but surely you enjoy typing/writing as much as I?

(...)

I think I'm done with this conversation because it's going to get silly if I continue.

-Corporal Salt

Hmm...i don't make assumption based on personal taste, but on how someone thinks or reason on a given issue that would force him-her to bring his-her thinking out - any creative or a critical process, including BATing or critiquing it, would require someone to think, especially when it goes to consider possibilities - that's simply how it goes - oh, and you'd need to think (in any possible way) just to have an opinion on something, or decide what to do

And, i think you aren't one who didn't make his stance clear, either in your thread or in any other part of this forum - so, i make assumptions based on your thinking, not on your presonal taste - if, then, you associate the two, i'm afraid to say that the possibility of someone "just considering just what he-she feels" might gain more ground than before.

As for the part about criticism and self criticism, i'd leave you to take a look on your posts, and then i'd be interested to see your own version...

I sometimes make assumption on people if, and when, some relevant feauture of their thinking becomes evident - since they're about such a loaded topic, i prefer to keep them for myself, unless there's a very good reason to bring them out...and then, i'd always be ready to hear my counterpart on it, to correct me if i wasn't accurate enough, or too accurate.

I think this argument should end there, least it begins taking a life on it's own - that's my end.

[Sgt Pepper 864]

I can't wait to see more progress on your work Aaron, keep it up! I take it though you won't consider my idea? I thought it would be interesting. But it's purely up to you and either way would be awesome, as always.

[Parisian 556]

Kiddies, you should stop arguing on Aaron's thread : it's disrespectful for people who are here to follow BATing work and for this thread's owner. At least you should open a private thread where you can continue to argue. But not here.

END OF SUBJECT -----> Back to Aaron's Bating. Thanks people

[Francis90b 748]

Aaron, i think i'd have something for you to take a look at - i found this website to be rahter interesting, as it lists lots of fine prewar apartment buildings - i knew about some, and learnt ther about a lot more of them there:

http://www.cityrealt...top-100-pre-war

And, one real estate salesperson had developed his own blog about prewar architecture, as it fascinated him - it's a very interesting site, has history and facts about specific apartment buildings, and informations about who, and how, built them - perhaps you might find some interesting design there, or you might read it just for your own interest - anyway:

http://prewarpassion.com/

This said, I'm not tired of postwar apartment buildings, nor i think you necessarily have to BAT prewar ones (even if you'd do an amazing job with them).

You should choose the path that you think to be the most efficient and rewarding - and should it mean BATing mostly postwar and mid century apartments, let it be it .

I'd try looking for anything similar concerning mid-century apartments, if i find something you will know

[Aaron Graham 4,417]

Wow!!! this thread was getting hot!!!.

Sgt Pepper do not get mad, I have to say I can make some buildings that will show water towers, but it has to be the right style, like the Worthington Apartments.

PBGV103 and In Soviet Russia you guys really want me to make a commercial building. PBGV103, I had my eye on the Postum Building just never decided to make it. This thread is called Aaron Graham's NYBT Residential Thread, unti the day I make a new thread called Aaron Graham's NYBT Commerical Thread, I have thought of doing civil buildings like police, fire station, and schools, but I think a good thrad for that will be called Aaron Graham's NYBT Civil System Thread.

One thing I forgot to say, no NYBT memeber made and completed a NYC project, yes public housing buildings, maybe if I can find one I can make some.

[Sgt Pepper 864]

Nice try Francis.

Speaking of apartments, Aaron have you considered some from the Bronx area?

ST really screwed up my post a few minutes ago, I wonder if it had to do with the original size of the photo.

[Aaron Graham 4,417]

Speaking of apartments, Aaron have you considered some from the Bronx area?

Yeah, still do. The Walesbridge is from the Bronx, do want to makw some building from Queens and Brooklyn.

Edit: Yes, I can look around to make some. Do you have a link of the area?

[Mack The Finger 34]

I have no right jumping in here and making a request, but I wanted to suggest I'd love to see you do some more pre war residentials, too. Your Eyrene and Worthington apartments are a case in point of how good pre war buildings are in your hands!

So I suggest this one just for fun

[blunder 1,080]

Speaking of apartments, Aaron have you considered some from the Bronx area?

Don't mind the guy from a small town who's largest building is 3 floors waltzing in here to ask questions, but why on earth are the fire escapes on those buildings on the front? Do they really not have enough space in the back? Because that looks a little ridiculous

[Aaron Graham 4,417]

Most Bronx apartments do not have water towers, because of the sides of the building, New York City buildings have to be a certain number of floors for water towers. Most of the building in Bronx that has water towers are the public housing building because there are tall, but there are cover like the buildings i'm making now.

Mack The Finger, that building look great and hard to bat, I wonder if I can pull that one off, I have seen it before and my mouth drop.

[Aaron Graham 4,417]

Walesbridge Update to Version 1.1

Sorry for the double post, I want to say that bother T Wrecks has found some flaws in NYBT Walesbridge and I have my own little Hotfix to solve that problem.

The flaws that has been fixed:

Dark Nite Version:

• A fix to all the models from showing Maxis Nite, all the maxis nite fsh files have been remove.
  
• The Dark Nite model is is reduce down by 40%.
  
• Renaming of the lots
  
• Adding a drive in fence for lot 01 R$ Corner Lot
  

Maxis Nite Version:

• Renaming of the lots
  
• Adding a drive in fence for lot 01 R$ Corner Lot
  

The flaw T Wrecks have found.

NYBT Walesbridge is updated on STEX too, the is below.

Thank you, Aaron Graham

[Darknono35 3,138]

Thanks for this update my friend

[darn42 1,268]

If you decide to do the 45 east 66th street building that mack the finger selected, I'd be more than happy to help you with the fine details. I think you have the skills and experience to do that building justice.

[Aaron Graham 4,417]

The Bromley

Here's a small update to The Bromley, I have added a few details and still have a way to go, I have to make some furniture for the roof and I don't fell like making furniture.

[Susaji 523]

WOW!

[Aaron Graham 4,417]

NYBT 915 West End Avenue Is on STEX!!!!

Credits

Aaron Graham- Building Creator/ Modder

Anton- Growth Tester/ File Tester

Vlasky- Growth Tester

Click on the picture to go to STEX.

[Parisian 556]

THANK YOU AARON for that 2013 Present. And not the last one. We have been very spoiled with you and your work. Always wonderful to add new typical big apple buildings in our cities.

I have a question : what do you think of the Ansonia Building and more globally buildings in this area? They are pre-war too.

[Darknono35 3,138]

Thanks for your "915 West end ave" upload Aaron, it's an awesome present to began the year.

The Ansonia Building is very very hard, but an fantastic building, and an challenge . The game needing some buildings like that but, I think AG should continue with is classics old bricks buildings or typicals NYC condos.

In all cases, it will always excellent BAT, you are an example to us all my friend: D

Keep it up and good luck for the next

[Francis90b 748]

It's no doubt the Ansonia's architecture is very impressive, but with the time needed to BAT a prewar like the Ansonia, one could possibly recreate many more nyc prewars - not necessarily of the "blandest" type .

Plus, it's quite a specific building in it's appearence - it's quite unlikely you could have it appear on a city more than once or twice, and even variations wouldn't help much to adress this with such a specific building.

It's diagonal would require something like a plaza in front of the building - making it even more specific.

(reworded)

Getting the model right would be an huge ordeal.The Ansonia is an extremely intricate building, an enormous maze of different elements and details somehow fitting together in a very fragile balance.

Attempting to recreate it is likely to put an enormous amount of strain to both the BATer and those giving advice - difficulties might be such that people might find themselves pressured or overwhelmed by them, and might consider ways to cut corners, simply to get "something" done and not get completely insane in the process.

Yet this complexity found in the Ansonia might make "cutting corner" solutions even more inadvisable than it would generally be - unless the desired result is a "more or less" Ansonia.Would this result be worth the effort?

(reworded)

But Aaron might recreate it as a work of love - knowing about all the drawbacks, and accepting them.

[Sgt Pepper 864]

Looks like a great BAT idea Parisian, though it's up to Aaron.

[Parisian 556]

No sorry, I can't call any building wich seems like it "the Ansonia" because it is absolutely not sufficient to me...

Concerning my post, I was not imposing anything to Aaron (far from me that idea). You are right it is a difficult Bat but I just posted something of this building to mean that this area (South Upper West Side) is interesting, we find lot of original and unique pre-war buildings (the left one would have been a possibility too). As we talked of pre-war building earlier in this thread, I simply submitted an idea, That's it. Voilà mon cher

[Francis90b 748]

No sorry, I can't call any building wich seems like it "the Ansonia" because it is absolutely not sufficient to me...

Concerning my post, I was not imposing anything to Aaron (far from me that idea). You are right it is a difficult Bat but I just posted something of this building to mean that this area (South Upper West Side) is interesting, we find lot of original and unique pre-war buildings (the left one would have been a possibility too). As we talked of pre-war building earlier in this thread, I simply submitted an idea, That's it. Voilà mon cher

I was not trying to attack your idea, just gave it some thought.

I focused on the Ansonia, as it was somehow dominant in pics - you might have meant the whole area, yet you posted pics of just the Ansonia .

[gutterclub 2,729]

I think this thread in in danger of slowly turning into a BAT request thread. Aaron has yet to disapoint anyone with his creations which he has seemed to chose himself..as with anything that can be deemed as art, the best results are always from when the artist choses his subject matter..I'm sure whatever Aaron chooses will not let us down...