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It's been a while Since I took this test. While I consider myself a centrist, this is the first time I have not (fully) been in the green area.

 

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Take the test yourself: http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

 

 

Compare to my results back in 2009:

 

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It's been said people veer further right as they get older. Seems to be happening to me  :no:

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I could have sworn that I posted in this topic but the last time I took the test I was at -2,-3 (more Libertarian than Progressive). However, seeing how some "progressive" policies have been implemented, I might get a -1,-4 if I took the test again.

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When in college, I strongly identified myself as a conservative, and then as a libertarian.  But after many years of following the news, I realized that nothing gets solved, there is no right or wrong, and the True Believers on either side will NEVER concede a point, cooperate, stop, collaborate and listen.  So, I dropped out completely.  I try to live as apolitically as I can.  Let more interested people worry about that stuff for me.  I still have my views, but I don't often share them with people, and I do what I can to avoid politics as a topic of conversation.  I've drifted towards the center since I graduated college, apparently drifted so far I'm on the left side of the scale, according to that compass thing.

 

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my political views are different on state and federal levels: Though I have voted for the green list in both, the direct vote went to Conservative on state level and social democrat on federal level(I can't say that I don't like Merkel, but I don't like her views on same-sex marriages. That said, the CSU(state-level conservatives) claim to be against full equality, too, but they've shifted their mind so often, I don't believe them.)

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I got negative six point three and negative zero point four. On a chart with the twenty twelve usa presidential candidates i was the furthest left pf them. The winner and Mr Romney were farthest right. Then again the issues raised in the questions were purely socioeconomic. I daresay that my idea of state run transport health etc would add authority and socialism to the result. Note the difference in my plotted pos from the aussie chart. I did the first chart linked to the thread this time. Shows how innacurate these tests are.


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Well, here I am. Purple is a nice color :thumb:

 

I would rather have seen more policy related questions but I'm guessing this test was geared more towards basic values.

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I would like to see this type of test that uses subjects values toward money to estimate his/her political views. That could be an eyeopener, because I still meet a lot of (European) adults thinking that taxes are literally used to cover government expences. Peoples cant make a difference between circulating money and central bank money either. That explains why political discussion in Finland might get heated, when it touches large public loans or investments, but maybe it's like that in other countires as well,

 

That test put me near the southwest corner of the compass, but that is way too far left for me. I am a social democrat (central left) and member of the party. There are many further left parties in Finland for values like this test set for me. It tested more of a basic life values than political views. :yes:

 

Edit: 4 years in Simtropolis and this was only post number 60.

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I didn't really know where to place myself in the poll and the two tests produced two different results. In Simcity, the best tool to evaluate my 'policies' and 'attitudes', I tend to have functioning profitable cities, but obviously all that says is that I know what to do. The issues raised in these tests tend no to overly concern me or tend to be rather far from practical situations. For instance questions like 'how much control should government have over business' I could answer in several ways, leading to several conclusions about my 'political compass coords'. 

 

I could, for instance, argue that government intervention in business limits productivity and creates unecessary red tape. Then again I could argue that the ultimate solution to inefficiency is government assuming absolute control of all business. Two answers, two very far-apart positions! And that is just one question. 

 

In reality I tend to vote for whoever I know most as a candidate. Where I used to live the local MP shook my hand once, so I kept voting for her. I don't know the local MP here nor will I ever met them in all probability, but as there aren't many local issues that directly affect me I tend to vote conservative or whoever is in power.

 

On national and international issues I am once again a tad philosophically divided, as I am not personally affected by the EU or by taxes (being unemployed) but I would vote for whoever seemed most sensible. Ironically national-level representatives I am more aware of, because obviously the news is more concerned with them.

 

In Australia I voted for Tony Abbott *gets savagely beaten by every other Australian Simtropolitan* for national level and for my local Labour candidate, the one who shook my hand once. The main reason for my national decision in 2010 was that I had the impression (ad it may well have just been an impression from the media) that Labour had mismanaged funds and were somewhat Keynesian. I favour austerity over debt raising any day. However had the economic situation not been a factor I would most likely have voted Labour for national level, due to my local preference.

 

Note that in Simcity I never took out loans, even if it meant saying sayonara to my city. However this rarely happened, even with experimental cities. I either used cheats to create ideal cities or was economically practical and realistic. The idea of national debts, foreign aid and world trade is naturally all rather foreign to simcity.


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I'm a moderate neo-republican.
I am liberal on social views (Minus abortion in non-medical emergency situations)
and I am moderate/Conservative on economic and world policy views.

Basically my ideology goes like this.

Economic:
Trade: I think we should move away from China and start looking towards other developing nations and our own nation for manufacturing. America needs to open up its opportunities around the world. If we do this we will have better domestic job growth.

Budget: A balanced budget is the best budget possible. We need to cut spending from things we don't need and move away from so much military and welfare spending. America shells out almost half of its money to social welfare programs like medicare and Medicaid and it is hurting our nation in the long run.
What we need to develop is our infrastructure and education systems. These will help America move closer to the rest of the worlds standards.

Taxes: Saying that one social class should be taxed more over the other is a stupid idea. We should set a flat % tax rate. Everyone pays the same % of their income as the other one does. This is the only fair way of taxing. It will also ultimately bring in more money to the government.

General: We need to get rid of the huge government safety net that we have now. It takes away from the purpose of motivation and self determination. People will not work as hard if they know that no matter what the government will always be there for them to give them money. Sure some people have it bad off and they can't get of social welfare in a year, but think of all the people who would not even attempt to change their situation if there was always a safety net there for them.
We need to embrace success and not degrade it, we don't need to continue handing money out to people but we should encourage people to go out and make it for themselves.
We don't have to have a nation built around the aspect of "what if I fail" but rather build a nation off "how do I succeed".

Social rights: I don't have an issue with LGBT individuals, and its my personal opinion that the government should not get in the way of marriage. I personally think common law should be the law of the land rather than governmental law defining marriage.
That being said, I would not pass or put forward any law on marriage for any sex or orientation. I would allow for the states to decide that by popular vote. 

I'll post more on this topic later. I find politics enjoyable and plan on running for office some day.
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I have always believed in flat tax rates, possibly originating from my lengthy time playing Simcity. 

 

On social welfare I sympathise with your sentiments regarding encouraging hard work over complacency... However being myself unemployed long term I can't say that with the present setup the chance of finding employment is realistic fr most people. Most people will reman unemployed or only partly employed/in a badly paying job.

 

So while I sympathise with that Thatcherite sentiment of success and of working to earn... In practice our society isn't very well built to handle that kind of system. There are simply too many people and too few jobs. Creating new jobs can only work if the jobs are profitable.

 

I agree generally social issues are best dealt with by popular consensus votes.

 

Back to my own country, I am all for HS2. I am for the EU. I am indifferent to Scotland leaving us. I believe in creating jobs and here in Littlehampton thre aren't any jobs. I get rejection letters for supermarket jobs and I've studied business...


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I can't upload it, but my views were in the green zone, five down five left.

 

I found most questions easy, but I was troubled by:

 

"People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce."

 

My instincts of fair and equal rights instantly kicked in and led me to click "Strongly Disagree", before my other side kicked in. What about the babies? If they inherit it, haven't they just had their lives ruined before they started? So I clicked "Agree" but then I thought: "Hitler has been down this road, it didn't end well" and I settled on "Disagree". But I'm still troubled. If there was a "skip" button, I would have used it.

 

The graph was in alignment with my political views.


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I ticked 'strongly agree' on not allowing them to reproduce. I tend to be logical. And really in considerations of fairness it is the children who should be considered not the parents.


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I sit on the fence.  If the federal government is Conservative I vote any other party in provincial elections.  You might call me the imp of the perverse.  All the parties are alike, offering sweetness and light but delivering confusion and darkness.

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Give this a try and see where you fit in:

http://www.cbc.ca/elections/ontariovotes2014/votecompass

 

It's a vote compass for the Ontario provincial election to be held in a few days.

 

 

I am trying to make up my mind, but I still have no idea what to do. My results: http://www.cbc.ca/elections/ontariovotes2014/votecompass?hash=9990d262d0317c46a94ecd9e47f71aaadc9e95893f81402249852

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Haljackey:  I  ran that when it first came out.  Like you, I am a middle of the road voter, but more towards the gLiberals.  We both live in Conservative ridings, but this time I am hoping for a change because Tim Hudak is nutz.


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Actually my riding is NDP... was actually Liberal before that due to a by-election last year.

 

 

It's strange but the elections agency is actually advertising how to decline your ballot, a real way to be counted that you don't like anyone. Not voting or spoiling your ballot makes the election officials unsure what your reasoning was. The party that's closest to me politically is the one I disagree with the most ethically. :boggle:

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Well, you've always been able to refuse the ballot.  I am not sure it is worth all the paper work.

 

There sure isn't much choice among the party leaders nor the platforms this time.  I am inclined to send the Cons to third place, the NDP to second and give the Liberals a majority to counterbalance the mess in Ottawa.  Stephen Harper needs a damned good scare.


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Some of my viewpoints seem a bit contradictory to some but if I were to show my reasoning it is because I am not a hypocrite in those aspects.

For instance, Life vs Death:

I am opposed to abortion after the point where the fetus can feel pain, can potentially be viable premature, and the mother's life is not in danger from giving birth by some means (even if natural birth would be dangerous but C-Section would be viable). I am in favor of adoption and proper support for those in the foster care system. I am opposed to fertility treatment. I am opposed to Capital Punishment except in the case of multiple counts of Murder 1 with credible evidence and a confession or when a murderer is proven incapable of reform. I am opposed to war unless all other methods of maintaining peace have failed but I am always opposed to any sort of draft. I believe that destroying an area economically and culturally (such as through sanctions or other "quarantine" methods) are more effective though some would think they would be no less cruel.

In all those life versus death situations, I am in favor of life but sometimes the best way to preserve more life (in very rare situations) is to end one life. Some people are completely anti-abortion yet pro-death penalty and pro-war, this makes as much sense to me as the direct opposite (having abortions as common as in China while giving murderers cushy quarters to try to rehabilitate those that cannot be rehabilitated). Quality of life is important but I don't think that unemployable people in the so-called civilized world should be given more comforts than those that work hard in less developed nations that make those comforts.

--Ocram


Ocram's Razor: Though "more things shouldn't be used than are necessary," they're just too fun to pass up! Expect many verbose arguments from me. I will try to write abstracts before or short summaries after from now on.

Words to live by:
"Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit... But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually..." 1 Corinthians 4-11

"Do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Matthew 6:34
"Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you." Matthew 7:1-3

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Well this is intresting.... I tried that test but I don't really seem to fit in with anyone...

 

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^ sure you do, Larks.  You just haven't got your bundle of fascines.


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Well this is intresting.... I tried that test but I don't really seem to fit in with anyone...

That appears to be (10,~-7 to ~-10)

From what I know of this test, that seems about where Ayn Rand would be, though she might be slightly less conservative and less authoritarian (she was pretty much an anarchist but a very conservative one, except that she was in favor of powerful women). She was certainly a compelling author even if I disagree with her philosophy. I read Atlas Shrugged and I want to read the Fontainhead sometime but it is not very high on my reading list priorities. Of course, I am quite a bit more progressive and slightly more authoritarian than that (though my range in authoritarian to libertarian range overlaps with yours).

--Ocram


Ocram's Razor: Though "more things shouldn't be used than are necessary," they're just too fun to pass up! Expect many verbose arguments from me. I will try to write abstracts before or short summaries after from now on.

Words to live by:
"Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit... But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually..." 1 Corinthians 4-11

"Do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Matthew 6:34
"Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you." Matthew 7:1-3

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I did the tet and was plotted nearest the liberal party on the chart slightly norwest of origin.


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I'm pretty much in the GRN-NDP-LIB rectangle.

 

Can I move over there? I don't like where our parties are going here. :P


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I'm pretty much in the GRN-NDP-LIB rectangle.

 

Can I move over there? I don't like where our parties are going here. :P

 

We'd be happy to have a highly educated physicist such as yourself.  Bundle up. It's a wee bit chilly here in February.

 

I scored in the upper left corner. No surprise there. I'm still voting Liberal though. The NDP is... frankly, I don't know what the NDP is anymore. Their leader has no direction.


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I'm pretty much in the GRN-NDP-LIB rectangle.

 

Can I move over there? I don't like where our parties are going here. :P

 

We'd be happy to have a highly educated physicist such as yourself.  Bundle up. It's a wee bit chilly here in February.

 

I scored in the upper left corner. No surprise there. I'm still voting Liberal though. The NDP is... frankly, I don't know what the NDP is anymore. Their leader has no direction.

 

By all means, come join our gang.  I think the electorate still has a modicum of control.

 

Poor Ms. Horwath.  She is beset from within and without.  The NDP has too much baggage from the Bob Rae fiasco to ever be considered a party to lead anything.

 

I'll take the devil I know.

 

Non-Canadians, beware.  This vote compass is tuned for the Ontario general election which is this Thursday.  Doesn't really apply anywhere else.  Remember that the winner (if any) gets to be the boss until the next time out.  If we get a minority, it will be the leader of the party with the most seats and deal making starts.


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Non-Canadians, beware.  This vote compass is tuned for the Ontario general election which is this Thursday.

 

So I noticed! I ended up having to answer "neutral" to a bunch of questions of the variety "should the government do more or less of this" since I don't really know how much of those things the government of Ontario is currently doing. So, unsurprisingly, I ended up near the middle:

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But that's probably not far from the truth regardless.


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Typical, everyday Liberal...oops, wait...make that on this test a Canadian Liberal.  Here in Texas, that could get me pegged in some communities as the worst type of Pinko Commie Alien from the Planet of Leftist Socialism Run Amok:  They look like us, but they are not us...

 

Thankfully, San Antonio is not entirely that far off the deep end, and we can acknowledge Rick Perry as our governor and Ted Cruz as our U.S. senator with both shame and amusement.

 

The "weighted" results would shift me equidistant between Economic Left and Right.  Of course, like Duke87, I didn't really know enough about Ontario to give meaningful answers to most of the questions.

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