Avenues and One Ways have On Ramps!

[frazell 0]

If this is old news im sorry for posting...

I have just learned while playing Rush Hour (seems many people neglected to read the tooltip) that Avenues and One ways have on ramps for both ground level and elevated highways (maybe one way only does elevated cant rem.)

I will post some screenshots in about an hour since im in game now playing and having fun...

But unlike previous reports roads and avenues have on ramps for Elevated and Ground highways! and one ways have on ramps as well!.

Screenshots in an hour!.

[RoddyC 0]

Yah we know, just press Tab to cycle through the different types of onramps.

[Vlad788 13]

WHAT!!!?!! I din't even know that! This is truly amazing! I gotta try this tomorrow. This game is soo amazing.

[Screwballl 196]

yes this has been shown already but thank you for the direct informative approach

[beatle 24]

LOL ... whoops I didnt know that either!! Too bad I destroyed half of my highway trying to make avenue onramps... DOOHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[Dippit 0]

Yeah, I only found that out today, but still, there is still no left turn on the onramps from Avenue to Highway.

[toroca 162]

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On 9/27/2003 3:08:40 AM Dippit wrote:

Yeah, I only found that out today, but still, there is still no left turn on the onramps from Avenue to Highway.----------------

I expect that's just a visual thing unless Maxis has fixed it from the original game. In SC4 itself, sims could get on and off highways whether or not onramps were there. If a road or street went under the highway, the sims could get on it.

I assume it's still the same in Rush Hour, since a significant portion of the pathfinding engine is essentially unchanged. If that's the case, then the inability to make a left turn applies to the visual automata (cars) only, it doesn't actually have any effect on traffic, as the game will treat it as an intersection instead of an overpass. So, even though it looks like the cars can't turn left, traffic may actually be able to do so.

[Guybrush 0]

Where's the screenshot?

I've been trying to create an avenue/ground-level freeway onramp, and can't do it! Even though the highway was previously an elevated highway, and has onramps there, meaning there's room for them.

[dano_man 0]

It seems that for ground highways it's MUCH MUCH easier to place the onramp BEFORE the road... I've actually never gotten it to work after the intersection was in place. Just pick the over/underpass that you want, press the TAB key to cycle through the different types of roads you want (ie. avenue, road, street) and plop it down right on top of the highway. That should do the trick most of the time.

On another note, it's actually true that cars can't turn left on avenue overpasses. This is tested out by me making a test site where there's one small industrial zone and one small residential zone where the residential zone cannot reach the industrial zone unless it left turns off an avenue into a highway. Here are some screenshots to help you understand what I'm talking about:

From the screenshot, what is not seen is that the southbound avenue is connected to the next city, which means that cars cannot simply u-turn and get to the industrial zones that way. So, since the workers cannot get to the workplace, they go out of jobs. This proves that cars cannot turn on avenues left and neither can freight trucks, as the cyan line shows freight truck routes, and it needs to u-turn at the end of the road before going back onto the avenue.

This is a bug that should be fixed by Maxis, as it is annoying the crap out of me. I've found a temporary fix to this, however, and I'll show you in the next screenshot in my next post cause I am dumb and do not know how to place 2 screenshots in one post. So, ya, look for it in the next few minutes. Um.. also, the screenshot is the attachment, trying to figure out how make the shots appear in the message...

[dano_man 0]

Lets try this again,

Note that when in the second screen shot, you can't put the roads in the adjacent tile of the onramp cause it won't work. This is the only workaround i have come up with for this problem.

[Minotaur420 2]

Could someone be so gracious as to post a picture of a one way street onramp to a ground highway? That is one thing that I have not seen.....

[Waterz 0]

There ya go.

[Digital Slash 0]

Thanks for tellin us, I had NO idea. Ugh I spent all that money on elevated highways cauze I thought that ground level highways wouldn't allow avenus to have on ramps with them.

Oh well, at least I didnt spend all my money buildin the highway system, Ill just make the rest of it ground level.

Thanks again for the direct info

[JYThree4 0]

Theres just one problem with that. Why are the arrows going in opposite directions?

[+Guest]

Question: how do you build these on ground level highways? I've been trying and all it does is build an overpass but it doesn't ask you whether or not you want to build onramps.

[frazell 0]

For ground levels you have to place them manually...

[jimbo 0]

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On 9/28/2003 11:15:39 PM JYThree4 wrote:

Theres just one problem with that. Why are the arrows going in opposite directions?

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I hope it isnt a bug, even though its quite apparent it is...
I wonder how fast the modd squad will respond to that.

[Waterz 0]

Actually, that is just a trick you can play on you sims, it doesn't really go like that.

[Marc Collins 36]

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On 9/29/2003 9:10:51 PM Waterz wrote:

Actually, that is just a trick you can play on you sims, it doesn't really go like that.----------------

What is that supposed to mean?

[+Guest]

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On 9/29/2003 12:12:11 AM frazellthomas wrote:For ground levels you have to place them manually...

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I still can't figure out how to build onramps to avenues from ground level highways... I've tried so many different ways... the only thing i can place down manually is the road to highway onramp.  If I build the avenue overpass first and then place try to place the onramp on top of it, it says "Cannot place on top of reserved tiles", as shown in the following screenshot:

I've tried building the avenue first, the highway first, and the onramp first, but no matter what ordering I try, I can't seem to get the onramps for the ground highway to avenue.  How did you guys do it?

[NumberRex 0]

You are using the wrong onramp. That one is for regular roads. When in the onramp selection menu, click on tab a few times to cycle through the onramp selections. One should be that of the ground highway to avenue onramps. If there are any incorrections in what I have said, feel free to correct me. I still don't have Rush Hour to try it out myself. I'm just going by what I have read in other threads.

[+Guest]

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On 9/30/2003 1:53:16 AM NumberRex wrote:You are using the wrong onramp. That one is for regular roads. When in the onramp selection menu, click on tab a few times to cycle through the onramp selections. One should be that of the ground highway to avenue onramps. If there are any incorrections in what I have said, feel free to correct me. I still don't have Rush Hour to try it out myself. I'm just going by what I have read in other threads.

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Yes!! That finally worked... thanks for the tip!  Is the TAB key actually documented somewhere?  I've read the entire manual and I'm pretty sure it doesn't mention anything about TAB.  It's not even listed on the keyboard shortcuts table on the back of the manual.

Anyway, thanks for the help!

[Dippit 0]

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On 9/29/2003 10:18:32 PM Marc Collins wrote:

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On 9/29/2003 9:10:51 PM Waterz wrote:

Actually, that is just a trick you can play on you sims, it doesn't really go like that.----------------

What is that supposed to mean?----------------


He means that he created it by himself, either by error, which he can easily fix, or on purpose since after all, he only made the screenshot to show us the onramps. It has nothing to do with any bugs in the game itself.

[frazell 0]

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On 9/30/2003 2:26:15 AM claw wrote:

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On 9/30/2003 1:53:16 AM NumberRex wrote:You are using the wrong onramp. That one is for regular roads. When in the onramp selection menu, click on tab a few times to cycle through the onramp selections. One should be that of the ground highway to avenue onramps. If there are any incorrections in what I have said, feel free to correct me. I still don't have Rush Hour to try it out myself. I'm just going by what I have read in other threads.

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Yes!! That finally worked... thanks for the tip! Is the TAB key actually documented somewhere? I've read the entire manual and I'm pretty sure it doesn't mention anything about TAB. It's not even listed on the keyboard shortcuts table on the back of the manual.

Anyway, thanks for the help!

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Its not in the manual but its on the tooltip that comes up telling ya the onramp menu option is all about. I overlooked it till i was bored a bit redoing a highways network...

Mainly overlooked it because many people who got RH before we did were posting screenies and saying these type of on ramps werent possible so i kinda took that as law i guess.

But to end the crap and give ya your answer its on the tooltip hover ur mouse over the onramp item and it will come up saying it ...

[NumberRex 0]

The fact that ground to avenue onramps are not showing up on the icon without using tab is a bug (I think) that was overlooked by Maxis. Now, didn't stop people from finding those onramps, but, has until recently, been easily overlooked since most people don't about the tab thing.

Still, hope this is fixed in a future bug. True, doesn't really effect gameplay or is overtly annoying like more serious bugs people are finding, just that, it would be nice to have everything avialble without doing some special command that we didn't have to do with the other options.

[frazell 0]

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On 9/30/2003 3:41:14 AM NumberRex wrote:

The fact that ground to avenue onramps are not showing up on the icon without using tab is a bug (I think) that was overlooked by Maxis. Now, didn't stop people from finding those onramps, but, has until recently, been easily overlooked since most people don't about the tab thing.

Still, hope this is fixed in a future bug. True, doesn't really effect gameplay or is overtly annoying like more serious bugs people are finding, just that, it would be nice to have everything avialble without doing some special command that we didn't have to do with the other options.----------------

Heres a pic of the way Maxis made it known. I think this was the best way else we would have to select one option in the menu for all of them. That would be a long menu and a b***h to use effeciently.

[skyscraper_man 1]

some kid with six posts posts a screen shot i dont get it im a full blown idiot.. but besides that thanks for the help...i wish i had a screeny

[+Guest]

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On 10/1/2003 12:29:52 AM skyscraper_man wrote:some kid with six posts posts a screen shot i dont get it im a full blown idiot.. but besides that thanks for the help...i wish i had a screeny

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Dude, lay off... just because I only have 6 posts doesn't mean I'm an idiot.  I've been playing SC4 since it first came out and mostly lurk, but haven't posted, on the boards because I have a full-time job (if you check, I've been a member since January).  I only started posting because this was a feature that is non-obvious, even to veteran players.  Seriously, do you really look at the tooltip every time you click on a button?  Why do you think this feature came as a surprise to many people?

EDIT: Sorry... didn't realize he was calling himself an idiot for not being able to figure how to insert images.  I realized this after I saw his other posts unsuccessfully attempting to insert images.  My apologies... btw, I learned how to post images by reading this topic.

[Edman_123 11]

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On 9/26/2003 9:06:23 PM frazellthomas wrote:

If this is old news im sorry for posting...

I have just learned while playing Rush Hour (seems many people neglected to read the tooltip) that Avenues and One ways have on ramps for both ground level and elevated highways (maybe one way only does elevated cant rem.)

I will post some screenshots in about an hour since im in game now playing and having fun...

But unlike previous reports roads and avenues have on ramps for Elevated and Ground highways! and one ways have on ramps as well!.

Screenshots in an hour!.----------------

Is it really possible to buuild Avenue onramps for ground highways?

[ROBO1964 0]

Yes it is