Global Warming

[GMT 389]

acctually you're wrong, in the Bronze age, a period of 1000 years the temperatures substained an average temperature 2 degrees warmer than nowquote>

No, I'm not. While working my way through the facts and figures I had access to (what was in fact quite a lot) I stumbled over the same figures about bronze-age temperatures, but the time it took to reach these temperatures, compared to the temperature development in recent times, was incomparable longer, or in other words: it will take only about 8% of the time it took "back then" to reach the same temperature.

also leaves decaying cause more co2 emmisions, 5.5% of all co2emmisions on the planet are caused by human activityquote>

Leaves decaying is a result of the human emmisions of toxic gases, which, in long term, of course increases the CO2 amount, so, in fact, it's again human made.

as I said before we are sufferibg the effects of a solar storm at the momenet which messes up the climate of the earth making it warmer on average but making some parts coolquote>

it's not the solar storms, at least not on their own. With the atmosphere getting less permeable for reflected heat (solar radiation comes through the atmosphere and get's reflected as heat) we have the greenhouse effect, and only more gases make the atmosphere thicker and less permeable, and the one gas with the highest growth rate is, believe it or not, CO2.

Or in other words: theories on how much the sun is involved in global warming as we have it right now vary between 16% lowest and 36% highest part of the sun in global warming.

The reason we had devastating hurricanes in 2005 is because it happened in the year of El nino which causes the global sea surface temperature to rise, causing worse hurricanes.quote>

any idea why el nino, a million year old weather phenomenon, grew such an importance as it has right now? here's one: climate change (I'm to lazy to write down again what needs to be factored in to tell what causes the current climate change, read my above post)

2006 was acctually one of the most quiet years on record because it happened in the period of El nina which has the reverse affect on sea temperaturesquote>

climate change again. If bad things get worse, good things get better (at least looking at weather phenomenons)

Does that answer any of your questions?quote>

not at all, to be honest.

The reason the governments of the Super power has not said anything about the possibility of global warming been caused by the sun is maybe because they are worried they lose the Multi- Billion pound companies and taxes that they have introducedquote>

actually, the only super power left is the US (although russia still claims to be one, but that's off topic here).

Every other nation, even the nation with 2nd highest CO2 emmission, china, already realized that global warming is not a theory but a fact.

This week, the European Union as a whole was officially sworn in to pull the emergency break on CO2 emmissions.

The kyoto-protocol was signed by every major industrial nation, apart from the US, because the white house fears to tear the us industry apart... and a major financier of bush's election campaign is the petrochemical industry.

They don't tell about solar whatever to cause global warming is because they know noone's gonna believe it is that it's simly not the major reason causing it.

The major reason is and will ever be the size of the atmosphere.

Our atmosphere, to bring it on an easy-to-understand-level, is a gas-mixture. The permeability of a gas for radiation (or solar radiation in this case) depends on the size and the composition of the gas. More gas, less permeable.  And the only way to grow a gas is to put more gas into it, and the one gas with the biggest growth rate is, as said before, CO2. Today, we have the highest concentration of CO2 in the last 650.000 years.

Let's pretent this solar-storm theory is true.

this would mean that even more solar radiation comes to our little planet earth.

It goes comes to the atmosphere and between 30% and 40% percent are refelcted right away, luckily cuz this is what would kill us. now, the remaining 60%-70% make their way to the ground and are reflected again, but not as radiance, but as heatwaves. These heatwaves get to the atmopshere again, and again some of it get's reflected back and heat's us up again.

At a certain point you can say  "no, CO2 doesn't cause global warming, but global cooling". This is when we all die from freezing because there's that much CO2 in the atmosphere that no solar radiation ever reaches the ground, or at least not enough to make live possible.

But until this point is reached, what would take a couple of thousand years with the current CO2 emmissions, CO2 (and of course all the other gases) are creating the same effect it has to put a cap onto a pot with food sitting on the cooker: the food get's cooked faster cuz the heat stays inside the pot.

Consider the food inside the pot as our earth and the atmosphere growing with the amount of CO2 as the cap.

[jammy 0]

I beg you r pardon patriots_1228 I am currently in year 10 of one of the best Private schools in the whole of England, the question is have you clicked and watched the hyperlinks on the first page of his forum?

[patriots_1228 51]

jammy- did you ever go to school? even a second grader knows more C02 in the atmosphere means higher temperatures. Global Warming is for real.

[Camaron 1]

Originally posted by: Mikeaut1

I find it idiotic when some people say there is nothing we can do to stop global warming, and when times worsen, let the later generations decide their fate. Although global warming isn't the central issue concerning society in the world these days, there is a level of priority on it. And it may sound exaggerated that the world may end if we don't do something about it, but its the truth. quote>

 

Indeed, I agree that it is completely irresponsible to just dismiss Global Warming as a threat and just sit and watch it get worse. 

I look at this way, the world is not black and white. Yes, the earth goes through natural warming and cooling trends. Yes, CO2 does naturally sustain life on earth by keeping the earth warm. But no, that does not necessarily mean what is happening now is purely natural and that despite humans pumping huge amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere, that humans can be in no way shape or form have some responsibility.

Scientists have just released another pretty convincing report in Paris that humans have contributed to global warming, and IMO humanity should listen to it and act. And even if Global Warming by humans is false, that does not mean it is wise to just continue pumping out pollution gases because there are other problems such as Smog and Acid Rain.

[hawkpride147 1]

@storms991. just because someone differs in opinion doesnt mean they are stupid.

@grudy. facts cannot be interpreted in different ways. that is data. facts are the consistent result of analyzing data. there are no fact to prove that global warming is happening or that it is caused by humans, at the same time there are no facts to prove that global warming isn't real or that humans aren't the cause. all we have is theories. i really don't know what to believe either way but i enjoy playing devil's advocate to make people think.

[GTASA2006 0]

It's humans & the sun -- the sun is heating up and the co2 on earth is holding it in...

[storms991 0]

hmm, my triple post was not supposed to be a triple post... more a single post... Simtrop froze and I clicked back several times, and then refresh, which somehow caused a server error, causing me to click forward coutles times, resulting in a triple post.

Anyway, we all know Global warming is very real, and that jammy is probably an uneducated bum. if so name the school you go to, we all went to private schools so what? If your stupid, and ur in a good private school, ur still stupid.

[hymewales 13]

No scientist or government has ever disputed that global warming is not happening...they dispute the causes. (such as humans)

The IPCC report fails to mention anything other than gases in the atmosphere (like the hockey puck effect). Why do a half job on the reporting and not include things like solar radiation, the earth's current orbit (Milankovitch theory), the weakening of the magnetic field, and such?

It's because they don't fit into their little created equations. Humans like to control and explain things. Some things cannot be calculated (weather and the how expansive is the universe are examples). All of these factor into the Earth's weather. Has any human actually accurately predicted the Earth's weather month's ahead of time as far as the exact temperature and the time it will rain? No...because the weather is unpredictable.

For those of you who believe it is human caused, get rid of your car (hybrids run on gas also), turn off all electricity and water sources (water in your home uses electricity to be filtered for safe drinking) in your home, shop at places that don't use the aforementioned (Good luck with that also unless you're an avid bow hunter), and work in a job that don't use any of these CO2 producing technologies (good luck finding one). You'll soon realize it cannot be done. Stop being part of what you call the problem and do something about your own carbon emissions. Then you can talk. Stop studying geology or geography and study engineering so you can design the ulitmate carbon free vehicles and power plants. Stop being part of what you see is the problem.

Soon you will realize it is hard to change course until the technologies are developed and ideas are created. Quit screaming the sky is falling. We already know the Earth is warming...but quit screaming it's because of you and me. No one has yet to prove that in my book. Until all factors are put into thier created eqautions, none of those IPCC reports mean jack...

[Duke87 1,070]

Well, if being in denial suits you, keep it up.

But we're causing global warming whether you like it or not.

Of course, it's convenient to believe we're not the cause since that then means we don't have to do anything about it. But what's convenient to believe isn't always what's actually true. That's just part of reality.

[el_grande02 0]

A side note to this debate:

Look at actual scientific journals about global warming, not documentaries or other media related material. You will find that 99% of the articles written state that global warming is happening. The reason why it is so big is because that 1% gets media coverage, making it appear into a two sided debate.

[Odainsaker 2,135]

Speaking of inane media coverage, this is what I just happened to read today in the editorial pages of the San Antonio Express-News (March 10, 2007):

For years I did not believe global warming was happening.  But I have since changed my opinion.

While I disagree to some extent with some scientists as to the cause of global warming, I admit there is some cause for concern.  I have one theory and one biblical explanation for what we call global warming.

First, I think the loss of oil is causing as much harm to our planet as emissions.  I theorize that oil acts as a cooling agent for the Earth, much the way a car coolant system works.  When your car is out of coolant, it overheats.  The Earth is being depleted of a valuable cooling system in oil, which is underground and cools the Earth's crust.

Second, I am a firm believer that the Bible can answer many questions.  I was reading Revelations 16:8-9a, and it says, "The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun and the sun was given power to scorch people with fire.  They were seared by the intense heat."

I was amazed, yet now understand that global warming is a problem of biblical proportion.  I hope the world will recognize that we need to move away from dependency on oil.  We are creating a world in which our grandchildren will not be able to live.quote>

Aaaarrgggghhhh , how our nation's science education has utterly failed!  Those silly scientists with their mere theories and data don't pass scientific muster, but my personal homespun explanation must be right.

While this armchair theorizing gets published, you will be hard pressed to similarly find in a public newspaper any mention of the Vostok or EPICA ice core records, the word "paleoclimatology," or any of their graphs.  They won't even mention current atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations, let alone show the scary hockey stick graph.  The Global Warming Hockey Stick of Doom will smack us all!

[Easy Bakes 253]

Didnt we have these same arguments in the other thread?

People will beilve what they want to belive. If a certian explination for GW make sense to them

no matter how much you argue you not going to convice them to change thier minds.

especialy since thier are conflicting veiws both with viable research to back them up in this case.

Its like the Roswell Incident. you belive or you dont, thier is so much information and misinformation

out their that no one can realy say its 100% certian.

so untill time travel is invented and we go back and make certian

its all subjective.

[coolotter88 2]

so when we find out CO2 is the cause of all this trouble, would it be bothersome for me to ask you to stop breathing?

anyway, you guys are all referencing "an inconvenient truth"

"AHH....WATCH AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH...AHHHH....WATCH IT....AHHHH!!!!"

and you're also saying

"but did you check who is paying these scientists?"

but did you also know, an environmentalist is JUST AS BIASED as a scientist sponsored by the big oil and energy corporations?

edit: ***** was that person thinking when they wrote the editorial? oil is our planet's coolant? if oil cools the crust (and "therefore prevents global warming") ***** is going to happen to the parts of north america without large reserves of oil underneath them (namely, most everywhere in the US except Texas and some parts of the northeast) and if oil is such a coolant, can someone explain to me why arabia and all those middle eastern countries are deserts (mostly)?

someone should tell the san antonio express-news to read the editorials prior to publishing, It really looks like they just randomly pick 2 or 3 out of a giant pile and stick it in the newspaper.

[CltcDrgn 0]

Boy is this a fun one! Both sides have interesting views on Global Warming. I have not seen it mentioned here, but NASA and the European equivalent just finished reviewing data from Mars. Guess what? The ice caps on Mars are shrinking at about the same rate as here on Earth. No SUV on Mars, no massive industry or agribusiness. So what gives? Also a prominent NASA scientist was talking about the climate change and Global warming, and sayas that ALL of teh climate models used have omitted one important variable: Precipation. He says it is omitted because nobody has figured out how to model the precip patterns, and we don't computers powerful enough to do so. Is there Global Warming, yes probably. Is it caused by humans, I don't beleive so.

[wagusmaximus 0]

OK OK OK Already! You all know that this debate will go on fore ever. Its not even worth talking about because of people are too hard headed to give up there beliefs, even in the case of their opinion being disproven before their own eyes.

I have noticed one thing about the global warming "suporters" though. I used to be a hard core democrat. Then I grew up and noticed alot of the bullcrap being shoved down my throut during my education is by old hippies that sway their opinion on whom gives them a paycheck. Currently the teachers union is being controlled by the democratic party. I know because my neighbor is one and hates the fact that every election she is forced to vote democratic, and is forced to teach evolution. Now these "people' are also trying to take the word GOD out of everything in the united states, even the things that this wonderful country was formed on 230 years ago.

I will ask YOU, whom are these global warming scientists paid by? they get a paycheck somehow. What party is AL GORE a member of?

I will not hold it against most of u posters that scream global warming on Simtropolis, after all most of u are young individuels who have fragile minds and belive everything that is tought to u like I once was.

And for a final thought, most of u supporters must not belive in GOD. One of the "theories" of global "warming" is that the Ice caps will melt and the waters will rise and drown us all, oh my! I seem to remember in suday school that GOD did the same thing a long time ago:

And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

Genesis 9:11

Shame on u Al fore misleading the youth of America, shame on us all for believing democratic lies.

[MrCinatit 30]

Originally posted by: CltcDrgn Boy is this a fun one! Both sides have interesting views on Global Warming. I have not seen it mentioned here, but NASA and the European equivalent just finished reviewing data from Mars. Guess what? The ice caps on Mars are shrinking at about the same rate as here on Earth. No SUV on Mars, no massive industry or agribusiness. So what gives? Also a prominent NASA scientist was talking about the climate change and Global warming, and sayas that ALL of teh climate models used have omitted one important variable: Precipation. He says it is omitted because nobody has figured out how to model the precip patterns, and we don't computers powerful enough to do so. Is there Global Warming, yes probably. Is it caused by humans, I don't beleive so.quote>

Actually, the north cap (I think) on Mars is shrinking faster presently. This is because that particular pole is pointed towards the sun.

However, the rate of observable change is consistent with all previous "summer" Martian months - in other words, the rate that the cap is shrinking this year is no different (speed and size) than in previous Martian years. The same holds true for the Martian south pole.

Such is not the case on Earth, where the polar caps are melting faster now than they have in previous years.

[david1314 44]

Just a quick common sense check:

No one doubts that the sun heats the earth.

No one doubts that carbon dioxide absorbs heat...in fact its about the best compound to use to do so, that's why they use it in fire extinguishers.

No one questions the theory that the earth radiates much of the heat it absorbs from the sun, and that this radiation must go through the atmosphere.

Common sense dictates that increased CO2 in the atmosphere will diminish the ability of the earth to radiate excess heat.

There are accurate records of CO2 atmospheric content taken in laboratory settings dating back many many years.

There is a strong correlation to the post WWII industry and more prolificly auto industry (hand-in hand with suburbanization) and the increase in CO2 atmospheric content.

Observed data of CO2 and temperatures confirm the above common wisdom correlation that CO2 in the atmosphere has increased global mean temperatures.

Frankly, I cannot invision a scientifically consistent refutation of the above (and it does not exist in academia). The only possible scientific dissent comes with an 'alternate source' theories, farting leaves, decaying cows, belching oceans, earth's time-of-the-month... But, we come back to that level-headed, rational approach of it's probably the simplest explanation.

And, look at your cars emissions, it's already in g/mile. That much CO2 simply can't come from leaves because leaves don't have that much mass.

[Jersey_17011 0]

hmm I'm not sure where i stand... both of these theory's seem very probable... ALTHOUGH saying that we (humans) play no part in global warming seems very unrealistic. i don't understand why we aren't trying to prevent global warming, scientists believe it is a major issue, but apparently America dosen't, why didn't president bush sign the Kyoto Protocol.... 169 other countries signed it..

for those who don't know, the Kyoto Protocol is an amendment to the international treaty on climate change, assigning mandatory targets for the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions to signatory nations.

//EDIT// oops haha ok USA did sign the Kyoto Protocol BUT refuses to ratify it

[Duke87 1,070]

Originally posted by: wagusmaximus I have noticed one thing about the global warming "suporters" though. I used to be a hard core democrat. Then I grew up and noticed alot of the bullcrap being shoved down my throut during my education is by old hippies that sway their opinion on whom gives them a paycheck. Currently the teachers union is being controlled by the democratic party. I know because my neighbor is one and hates the fact that every election she is forced to vote democratic, and is forced to teach evolution. Now these "people' are also trying to take the word GOD out of everything in the united states, even the things that this wonderful country was formed on 230 years ago.quote>

Well, the religion thing is a whole seperate issue. Yes, there is definitely a secular progressivist movement in this country. If a teacher is being forced to vote democratic, that's wrong and something should be done about it. But there's nothing wrong with a teacher being forced to teach evolution in a science class, since evolution is science and is backed by lots of hard evidence. Trouble is, it happens to clash with some people's religious agendas, hence we end up with this "Intelligent Design" bull**** as an opposing "theory".

I will not hold it against most of u posters that scream global warming on Simtropolis, after all most of u are young individuels who have fragile minds and belive everything that is tought to u like I once was. quote>

Well, I don't autoatically believe everything I'm told, but the evidence is there that global warming is real, and most scientists agree on that. There is definitely politics in the issue, but that' not what I base my decision to trust in it is based on. That's based on common sense and convincing evidence.

And for a final thought, most of u supporters must not belive in GOD. One of the "theories" of global "warming" is that the Ice caps will melt and the waters will rise and drown us all, oh my! I seem to remember in suday school that GOD did the same thing a long time ago:

And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

Genesis 9:11quote>

Well, religious are not, most people probably don't think the whole great flood/noah's ark thing actually happened. You refuse to believe that global warming exists, despite overwhelming evidence that it does, but you believe some great flood happened just because some ancient book says so? Where's the sense in that?

Shame on u Al fore misleading the youth of America, shame on us all for believing democratic lies.quote>

There are democratic lies out there. Global warming is not one of them. Deal with it.

[Easy Bakes 253]

Originally posted by: wagusmaximus 

ICurrently the teachers union is being controlled by the democratic party. I know because my neighbor is one and hates the fact that every election she is forced to vote democratic, and is forced to teach evolution.

.quote>

 

Since when is any one  "forced" to vote democratic, or republican for that matter, by who they work for? or what church they go to? or organization  they belong to?

Who you vote for is your own bussiness. not your employers or your preachers.

[GMT 389]

OK OK OK Already! You all know that this debate will go on fore ever. Its not even worth talking about because of people are too hard headed to give up there beliefs, even in the case of their opinion being disproven before their own eyes. quote>

yes, but on BOTH sides... supporters and denyers.

I have noticed one thing about the global warming "suporters" though. I used to be a hard core democrat. Then I grew up and noticed alot of the bullcrap being shoved down my throut during my education is by old hippies that sway their opinion on whom gives them a paycheck. Currently the teachers union is being controlled by the democratic party. I know because my neighbor is one and hates the fact that every election she is forced to vote democratic, and is forced to teach evolution. Now these "people' are also trying to take the word GOD out of everything in the united states, even the things that this wonderful country was formed on 230 years ago.quote>

what a f....

If people's education depends on who's the government, and if people's elections behavior depends on what they're told, then a darn big thing goes terribly wrong.

"forced to teach evolution"... ever thought of this pile of crap called evolution is the damn truth???

And no, they don't want to take god outa everything. It's just that god loses influence ... god is THE thing everything revolves around, people need something to live for, some backup, something to lean on when they're down... it's god, it's the people's believe.

Just cuz science discovers that what the bible says about the earth's origin, human's origin isn't the truth, it's still a several thousand years old explanation for the most important question of all: where do we come from? an explanation from people for people. nothing bad, just not scientific. that's all.

I will ask YOU, whom are these global warming scientists paid by? they get a paycheck somehow. What party is AL GORE a member of? quote>

doesn't matter. guess who pays me at the university for studying geography? for having to write a million pages bout climate change and it's causes from working through a landfill of facts and files from scientists all over the world (where no us democratic party pays them). guess what? I got the same results studying the climate change facts, see we have global warming, see we gotta change something about it cuz we add a major part to it... guess who payed me? NOONE.

I will not hold it against most of u posters that scream global warming on Simtropolis, after all most of u are young individuels who have fragile minds and belive everything that is tought to u like I once was. quote>

this fragile mind of mine does believe what it's discovered on it's own... not what it's told. That's the benefit of working out facts on your own... fragile mind.

If you want, you're one aswell, cuz somebody told anybody about global warming is a lie and you believe this. btw, the only one who has NO fragile mind is the one you fear to get lost: GOD

And for a final thought, most of u supporters must not belive in GOD. One of the "theories" of global "warming" is that the Ice caps will melt and the waters will rise and drown us all, oh my! I seem to remember in suday school that GOD did the same thing a long time ago:

And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

Genesis 9:11quote>

yes, god also destroyed earth, or at least threatens to do so (apocalypse)... nice guy, I can tell. Do you fight for what "god" says in the bible (actually, it's the one who wrote the text claiming god sais it, later on the catholic church said what's in the bible and what not, a very subjective thing, ain't it? like the editorial work on a newspaper. only that this "newspaper" is the bible

Shame on u Al fore misleading the youth of America, shame on us all for believing democratic lies.quote>

shame on those hard-headed, fragile minds that can't help but put the blame on the other political party... nice re-producing of what someone told you one day... but I don't want to get personal right now, so who's the fragile mind?

EDIT: you're always talking bout america, and mislead american youth to believe what democratics "tell" them...

so, why is global warming a worldwide matter (you know, this piece of earth that lies outside the us boundaries), where NO us politician has any influence on what people think, find out or whatever??? fragile mind...

[JanYpe 17]

Gentlemen, let's not start deifying Al Gore just yet, ok? In case you forgot the man is a politician, which means he will lie, cheat and steal to get every ounce of attention and relevance he possibly can.

where NO us politician has any influence on what people think, find out or whatever??? fragile mind...quote>

I'm not going to justify that posters political views.The constant evil liberal versus evil conservative rhetoric bores the pants off me, and I can't understand why the US public tolerates this polarising two party nonsense.

The fact is though, that this US politician IS having a worldwide influence on the way people think. Local governments and organizations in my province are organising free showings of 'An Inconvenient Truth'. European newspapers are writing about the movie and TV-stations are showing it.

Anyone who dismisses the program mentioned in the OP ('The Great Global Warming Swindle') as empty propaganda while singing the praises of 'An Inconvenient Truth' is being dishonest. The Swindle program brings up some disturbing points about the environmental movement, comparing scientists who disagree with the "CO2 causes GW"-theory with heretics who dare disagree with the church. The program is available on Google Video, by the way.

There is a strong correlation to the post WWII industry and more prolificly auto industry (hand-in hand with suburbanization) and the increase in CO2 atmospheric content.quote>

There have been more comments along these lines in this thread, so don't think that I'm singling David1234 out here, but correlation does not equal causality. The fact alone that the world started warming again around the point that industrialization started doesn't mean jack.

Personally, I'm not convinced that human CO2 production is solely responsible for global warming.  It's still a theory. Does it need to be researched? Of course. (Hell, I would be liberally screwed if sea levels rose dramatically.)  Should we limit the consumption of fossil fuels? Obviously, because they are still a finite resource with unhealthy effects on humans, nature and politics. Do I believe in the Church of Global warming, with 'An Inconvenient Truth' as its set in stone bible and Al Gore as its messiah? No.

[Gnargenox 6]

OMG! Since when did Global Warming become so divided among political lines? Oh yeah, it's all about money and finger pointing. I don't need to see any scientific data or hear some preacher's sermon. All I need to do is step outside and take a deep breath. And what ever happened to the gaping hole in our ozone layer above the south pole? Seems like that problem was forgotten about because it didn't affect anyone's pocket book.

Oh and did anyone notice when looking up in the sky nowadays there are MANY more airplane contrails than in the past? That's because the government is secretly seeding clouds (called Chemtrails) to form thereby reflecting the sun's radiation away and reversing the problem we've created. And no one would ever suspect. I wonder what the space aliens would think.......

[GMT 389]

of course human CO2 production is not solely the reason for global warming, but a big part.

But there those who refuse to believe that human influence exsists at all...

and all this church, conservatives, relatives and whatsoever talk is the pure bullpeep.

they ALL agree on that it's happening, they ALL agree on the fact that human CO2 emmission plays a role in it, but they just don't seem to agree on how much we play part in it.

Me, personally, I don't think that the human CO2 emmission is the only reason, but the major one.

What I see from my studies is that CO2 emmission and global warming are working well together. Coincident or not, that's what the figures tell everyone who's mentally fit to read a diagram.

Global warming is NO theory. Nor is it a theory that CO2 emmission is linked to it.

Global warming as we have it now happens, of course, entirely out of natural reasons, there's no denying it, BUUUUT the speed at which it is happening and the dimension it has is a matter of human activities

[DARKO 3]

Something is definitely going on. Whether it is "global warming" is another issue. To stand there and completely refute the notion though that something is happening I think is gravely ignorant. There is a short term warmth process occurring.

It could just be a perfectly natural phase of warming/cooling cycles that have been going on for millions of years.

I don't think there is much debate as to whether a phenomena with this globe is occurring(besides the few staunch pro-capitalistic right wing propagandist who say otherwise), but whether human activity on this planet is the main accelerant.

[confused04 14]

I have stayed out of the this thread due to the obscene lack of information and the proliferation of fallacies across the spectrum, but I do have a few side notes.

A) Ice cores are used not ONLY to measure CO2 levels, but oxygen isotopes too. That is how they can tell what temperatures correspond with what levels of CO2. Oxygen isotopes conveniently follow a nice trend with one isotope increasing in concentration as the average air temperature increases. So, for each level of CO2 they find, they get a corresponding oxygen isotope concentration and they can plot these across time (i.e. depth of the core).

B) Some areas will indeed benefit from Global Warming and areas might experience increased agricultural production, but that doesn't mean that an equal number or greater will LOSE agricultural production. Parts of Africa and Asia are experience desertification at alarming rates and global warming models can expect desertification to intensify in som areas.

C) The temperature decrease observed during the post WWII era is not evidence of Global Warming being a farce. In fact, in somewhat supports it. The cause of the decrease is attributed to the amount of aerosols that were being pumped into the atmosphere, including CFC's which hold an opposite effect to CO2's greenhouse effect. The amount of aerosols being sent into the upper atmosphere was high enough to offset the increase in global temperatures from CO2 production. Once international agreements decided that introducing these aerosols is not a good thing (namely the Ozone Hole), aersol production dropped and the effects of CO2 increases were finally unmasked.

D) As I've said before. The existence of natural variation does not negate the existence of UNnatural variation. Any person who supports the anthropogenic-caused view of Global Warming knows this and tirelessly have people tried to show that this is unnatural.

E)Solar activity is unlikely linked global warming as increased temperatures have been recorded for calm and stormy periods of the sunspot cycle. Milankovitch cycles could explain global warming over a scale far larger than we've exprienced (tens of thousands of years). 150 years is too little to attribute much to the changes in Earths orbital statistics.

F) Just because it is said to be "Global Warming" that doesn't mean that everyone has to ACTUALLY warm up. Changing temps alters weather patterns (particularly since water and earth heat at different rates, wind currents can easily change).

[el_grande02 0]

Its global warming. It is happening right now. 99.9% of environmental scientists agree. Even governments agree global warming is happening.

[Micah 16]

*sigh*

I got an e-mail from my aunt just a few minutes ago and I think I finally found out the program that the original author of this thread has been talking about: Click here for the 75 min video

Anyway, I don't support that video, I just wanted to post what this whole ordeal was about.  

[Jancsika 0]

I still belive that the earth is flat.

Oma Krueger

[marc 13]

Originally posted by: GMT

the only lie about global warming is that cars and planes are the reason. but, as recent studies show, cars are only at about 12% and planes at about 5% of the worldwide co2-emmission, all the other 82% are from industry, households, powerplants.

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    You bring up a very good point which is still almost  universally ignored. Although transportation and industry are contributors to global warming, the BIGGEST contributor is the housing industry. As the recent 2010 Imperative forum in NYC discussed, architects cause far more damage to the environment than the oil and automobile industries do. In a way, architects and urban planners are responsible for much of the automobile's CO2 emissions, since the sprawl-centric suburban developments (which emit tons of CO2 on their own) that most US architects design encourage even more use of CO2-spewing gas guzzlers.

    We would reduce CO2 emissions much more with "green" buildings and environmentally-sensitive urban planning, although auto efficiency and mass transit should still be supported.

Originally posted by: wagusmaximus

I will ask YOU, whom are these global warming scientists paid by? they get a paycheck somehow. What party is AL GORE a member of?

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I seem to remember in suday school that GOD did the same thing a long time ago:

And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

Genesis 9:11

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^ I can't help but laugh when a right-winger dismisses the research and objective studies conducted by scientists as completely worthless but then promotes a book of fairy tales as if it's more credible and believable:

"Those "scientists" have recorded increased CO2 emissions in ice sample data, rising ocean levels, and rising temperatures; but what do they know? Their "data" is wrong. But, LOOK, in the BIBLE here it says THAT; look that sounds IMPORTANT, it must definitely be TRUE!!"

What should we have faith in: A fairy-tale book with questionable contributions and stories written during the dark ages or reports composed by dedicated scientists who have spent entire CAREERS researching the minuti of climatology and earth sciences? I will always trust the scientists.

To all bible thumpers:

You say that man-made global warming isn't believable but the story of Jonah being eaten by a whale and surviving is absolute truth? Riiiiggght.