Camaron

Good review on Los Coastas ilikehotdogsalot, very fairly written.

Good to see this reviewing is going well, the use of pictures does add to it.

I would like to wish the critics team the best of luck with there reviews, I have read the ones posted so far and they were good. I do not as of yet have a city journal to comment on, but when I do, I might submit it for review.

Originally posted by: Hahayoudied Where can I get CAM ?quote> You can only get it at https://www.sc4devotion.com/ I believe. This forum: https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=0244edb256aab92e35572b5b0e361208&board=185.0 contains a lot of information on it. Be warned, it is not the easiest of SimCity 4 custom content to install.

Originally posted by: LivingInThePast I fixed the link. Is it "fair use" if we get explicit permission by Dirk to use the main page picture?quote> Yes and no. Dirk owns the website so I think he can release pictures of the home page so they are free (not fair use). Simple permission will not be enough; he will need to in a written format release the picture - he can release it under the GNU Free Documentation License or another license, or simply into the public domain. More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GFDL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain If the image becomes free it will need to be correctly re-tagged and free images should generally be moved to Wikimedia Commons - so they can be used on all projects. For the time being; all SimCity 4 images and going to stay fair use unfortunately.

Unfortunately, fair use images can only be used on Wikipedia if they are used in at least one article; and they should not be used at all on the user-space (where the Simtropolis article now is). That is why those images are tagged for deletion. This is stated at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:User_page#Images_on_user_pages

I have taken a good look at it - although I am not very active around here now I could not resist. I heard Real Chat had upgraded and I expected this site to join in eventually; Real Chat don't seem to be low on their prices though! I managed to get in first time. I like the avatars and the general improved integration into the forum. Only a few messages could be shown on the screen at once though - so the chat moved very fast for me.

Originally posted by: Tommy7777 Well... You should at least know that our site is the first one on the fansite directory page for sim city 4! see for yourselfquote> I noticed that, it is short and it is not clear who wrote it - so it is a debatable secondary source.

Originally posted by: Bandero Ok, here's a thought, If the Simtropolis entry on Wikipedia was deleted (and already has been deleted) because of lack of reliable sources, then why is listed as a reference on the SimCity: Societies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SimCity_Societies) wiki page? If this site (Simtropolis) is a reliable source, shouldn't that qualify for an article on Wikipedia? If not, then the article of SCS should be deleted as well because it is based on a Non-reliable source.quote> This issue was not lack of sources - it was lack of secondary sources. Sources from Simtropolis used for a Simtropolis article are easy to get but would be primary sources - Wikipedia articles to be considered notable should most of the time have a variety of secondary sources used or available to use - there are some around for Simtropolis but not many, and how well they could verify the text is debatable. The source of a Simtropolis interview for a SimCity Societies is an appropriate independent, published and reliable source. The comments from Rod Humble himself is a primary source - though the interview overall is a secondary source. The SimCity Societies article has a variety of sources used (most secondary) which clearly verify the text - meaning it establishes notability. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Types of source material Got a question! How many Fansites even have a wikipage? quote> Non in the SimCity arena now I believe. This will give you an overview: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Internet_forums I get the impression many on that list will be deleted in the long-run though. Then again, there's several more important things then that. How many people have popped in and said "I'm sure glad I found that article on Wikipedia! This site is so fantastic!"? Well, this site is fantastic, but in any case... quote> True, a short summary in the SimCity 4 article would cover that. Though at the end of the day, it is written into policy that is not a function of Wikipedia to advertise. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOT#SOAPBOX

I might as well announce it now - the result of the recent AFD for Simtropolis was to delete the article. I know that there are likely to be attempts at re-creating the article. This is good, I welcome any attempt to re-create the article and there are no specific rules prohibiting re-creating deleted articles. However, be-aware that articles deleted via AFD discussion which are re-created can be speedy deleted without discussion if they are similar or identical to the originally deleted article - and/or do not address the concerns raised in the AFD. So my advice is - if you re-create the Simtropolis article make sure it address the main concerns raised in this now closed AFD. On the side note, I am also involved in plans to include some fan-base information in the SimCity 4 article as part of a drive to make it a Wikipedia "Good article".

Originally posted by: JCarter Originally posted by: Camaron Originally posted by: JCarter We did it!!! The article has been saved!!! quote>As they say, "it aint over til the admin says its over". This needs to be gone for good if we are to successfully save this article. quote>When an admin has come to a decision, then it can be removed. quote> Indeed, once an AFD (articles for deletion) nomination has started it generally continues for five days, then an admin closes the nomination and makes a decision on if the article should be kept or deleted based on consensus established in the discussion. Sometimes, a discussion can be cut short if it is "obvious" that an article should be kept or deleted - or extended if more discussion on the nomination is needed. Looking at the current comments on the Simtropolis nomination - it will probably stay open for the full five days.quote> Right, thats exactly what I meant to say but you said it soooo much better quote> Lol, if you're wondering why I bothered to wright that - it was for the benefit of those not familiar with Wikipedia's deletion processes.

Originally posted by: JCarter We did it!!! The article has been saved!!! quote>As they say, "it aint over til the admin says its over". This needs to be gone for good if we are to successfully save this article. quote>When an admin has come to a decision, then it can be removed. quote> Indeed, once an AFD (articles for deletion) nomination has started it generally continues for five days, then an admin closes the nomination and makes a decision on if the article should be kept or deleted based on consensus established in the discussion. Sometimes, a discussion can be cut short if it is "obvious" that an article should be kept or deleted - or extended if more discussion on the nomination is needed. Looking at the current comments on the Simtropolis nomination - it will probably stay open for the full five days.

No, it is not a late April fools joke, it is actually my birthday today, my sweet 16 to be exact. Thank you very much for the birthday PM Jacqulina! I am still around, though a little busy. To celebrate my birthday me and certain members of my family went up to a aviation and motor car museum called "Brooklands", located near Guildford/London, England. It was fun, it even included a tour of the third Concorde produced called "Delta Golf", which was interesting.

Originally posted by: The_Family_Guy It's true that it's here, it's just how it will effect the world is the real contraversy.quote> That is true, I personally think global warming is happening, and also that there is now enough evidence to justify this argument. How global warming would effect the UK itself though has caused a lot of controversy and confusion. Some scientists think it will cause a general rise of temperatures in the UK and give the country a climate like that of the current Mediterranean. However some others are saying it could cause the Gulf Stream to stop or slow down, which would give the UK a much colder climate.