BAT Projects - SimGoober

[ILL Tonkso 1,237]

Dude, im a fan of your work but this latest offering is appaling. I know you have kept it as un-vulger as possible but the concept is still there. Please dont encourage the younger members of the site to explore these things. Im sorry to say but this is maybe a little to contraversial for Simtropolis. please dont upload the others as it could damage both your own and the sites reputation.

[garfiedude 2]

Oh, and no, I'm not a regular at this sort of place. I just drive by a lot of them in my travels... lol

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I don't know, the attention to detail there is remarkable

Very different thats for sure, i think idealy there be a way to link it to an ordinance or something, so it would sort of be like gambling or something. I guess thats not really possible though.

[kassarc16 4]

Well, everything's bound to offend or upset someone. But look at the Sims. This is TAME compared to mods and skins and objects for both of those games, I know, I've looked!

 

It's up to you SG, if you want to continue releasing things like this, and up to dirk if he wants things like this on his website. But in my opinion, you just keep putting out quality.

[sharkbait16 0]

I like tying it to gambling, that'll make it the mayor's decision whether they grow or not, is that possible?

I hope you do continue to release these sort of places, it certainly adds some realism and diversity to the game.  We already have miletary installations and you could argue they promote the wrong ideas as well, but I don't think it should come to being PC. 

[jarlaxledarogue 0]

Why it maybe on the bad side, the concept of the establisments whether of good or bad taste quality, is what makes the world go around. I live in Sin City, Las Vegas. I see XXX video on every other corner, one a block away from an elementary school. Its not whether its good or bad, its realism, but whether you post it or not your work is always top quality Simgoober. Keep it up

[+Guest]

OMG the real world is slipping into Simcity.

  If Goobers lots offend ya well don't download.I hope more of the real world will slip it's way into Simcity.Thanx for all the outstanding lots.

[dev 47]

Well, just because it is real does not mean you have to have it in SimCity...I am usually a good fan of your work and used to admire it. Now this is tasteless...SG, I am personally hoping you remove these. There are young children on this site! They don't need to be given access to these kind of things. Pass them around on MSN or whatever, just keep it out of the young people's faces please.

[vadvaro 2]

dev you don't even have the game installed.  besides, this is a downloaded lot, i.e. you don't want it, you don't get it.  this is a public website for everyone, not just the lowest common denominatior.  here in seattle, on a normal comercial avenue, lined with residential streets and a high school lie two strip clubs on either end. a deja-vu and a local favorite, ricks.  these places exist, they are located outside of industrial zones and if you are underage you can't go in.  but anyone of any age can look at the outside on their way to church or fred meyers (west cost chain simgoober might like to try) or the ballgame.  i understand some may not like this lot or others like it, but it is tame, the premise is not.  its about choice, unlike real life, if you don't want this in your game, don't download it. 

[BarbyW 40]

Well said, vadvaro. This is just a building; nothing more , nothing less. If you don't like the lot, don't download it. No one forces you to use it. If you do, you will find your mayor rating may go down so to a certain extent there is a  built in censorship. I find it far more offensive to see a Sims2 diary with pictures of lesbians, making out and having affairs than a building with a sign. Some of you need to take a more mature attitude instead of being prudes and sticking your head in the sand. The real world exists whether you like it or not.

Barby

[kassarc16 4]

Ricks.. I remember that name being thrown around on the news during whatever scandal I wasn't paying attention to. Up in Everett, they've got an Adult Book(Video?) store, across from a Daycare, and next to some houses. Granted it won't happen again, but the city didn't force them to move or shut down.

 

Really, the ONLY thing in these lots (readmes and all) that is even suggestive to the actual nature, is Showgirls.. nowhere else is it mentioned what these places really are. And there are Showgilrs in Vegas... ones that you don't need an ID to really see. It's not obviously apparent what they are, unless you've run across things in real life... god forbid. But.. we are all entitled to our opinions, and of course entitled not to listen to anyone elses (GW proves it.)

[jglei701 8]

This is a community, and, as such, people are allowed to voice their opinions and choose to support or not support whatever they like.  However, there is a level of discretion that can be observed in regards to certain topics that can be deemed as crossing the line (whether they are presented in a PG manner or not).  Some choose to take the high road, and some do not.  For me, it isn't a big deal.  I won't download the lots because I don't agree with them.  But this isn't just a case of being something that a few members don't like (heck, I remember some issues happening around Easter... it seems like it always happens).  To me, this is an issue of more than just reality.  Sure, they exist.  But brothels exist, are we going to create those?  Crackhouses exist, is that next in line?  At what point do we stop?  And, especially if it DOES continue, at what point does presenting reality become promoting and action?

 

People jump on Christians and accuse them of forcing their beliefs on people and or being closeminded, but in supporting a lot with an implied action like these recently released, doesn't the community do the same?

 

The tough thing with controversy is that there are always two (or more) sides and each side has valid points.  Inevitably, only from one context or the other is there a right and a wrong.  However, despite what your personal beliefs are, expressing them has a chance to offend or otherwise ostricize others, and so a level of discretion of expression can be observed where ya just don't bring up the topic (for it to be agued over).  Some might say we've got free speech, we can do what we want! and this would be true.  However, recognize that the opposing veiwpoints (and others that might offend you) can just as easily be voiced.  It's a two way street, and this community will be a more fun, sane, and safe place if we all take a second and think not just of ourselves and how we would have it, but of others as well.

 

I apologize to SG for typing this all in his thread...  The backlash against the disagreement a few have had with his lots came not from him but others in the community, but ultimately, he posted the lots and, whether it is right or not, he bears some of the responsibility to the discussion at hand.

[helomoto 28]

Wasnt the showgirls BAT just released...i am thinking of downloading it...there is nothing wrong with it i think...what ST rules does it break.

[Lord_Bertrum 3]

Date: 5/11/2005 9:00:15 PM Author: ILL Tonkso Dude, im a fan of your work but this latest offering is appaling. I know you have kept it as un-vulger as possible but the concept is still there. Please dont encourage the younger members of the site to explore these things. Im sorry to say but this is maybe a little to contraversial for Simtropolis. please dont upload the others as it could damage both your own and the sites reputation.

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Come on now it's only a bit of fun, nothing to get hung about. And it's certainly not going to damage his reputation.

[jarlaxledarogue 0]

Well said Barby. One other thing for those complaining that kids will see it and download it, as a parent myself (twin 5 yr old boys and a 12 year old girl) I monitor whatever my daughter downloads and she always checks with my wife or I before she goes to a website or downloads anything. I can understand not liking it, as I posted earlier I live in Sin City (Las Vegas) and I hate all the stripclubs and xxx video stores, but they exist whether I like it or not.  As for brothels and crackhouses on the game or the STEX, it is freewill to create and freedom of expressionJust download at your own discretion. Sorry for this stranger taking up the post. Keep up the great work Simgoober.

[pitch 0]

I saw some crime scenes, bombed houses, tanks and so on, but nobody complaint. SG this lots are great.

btw the boy in my avatar is my son, I don't think it will do him any harm to see these bads

[T Wrecks 10,209]

Remember there has also been a slum kit (including the sound of gun shots) that was quite well received. Strangely enough, nobody suggested that making or even downloading that kit would be a gesture of promoting poverty, violence, gang war, crime, drug abuse and prostitution, which is often the daily reality in slums.

No liberal person wants to keep a conservative from living his conservative life the way he deems right. (In this case: Nobody forces anybody to like or download this). Why do the more conservative people always have to try and keep more open-minded people from living as they please? (In this case: By trying to prevent the upload of these lots to the STEX)? Where does this attitude come from?

I suggest you allow your children one stroll through a record store, looking at the CD covers, and 30 minutes of TV. Afterwards, they will have seen a hundred times more erotic or pornographic material than by looking at a sign that says show dancers.

Umm... yes. I guess both sides have voiced their opinions - can we now please set the Holy Crusade aside? This is about virtual 3D models in a computer game, for crying out loud. Downloading or not downloading these lots will not change anything.
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Now back to topic: SimGoober, the buildings are simple and authentic. I don't know the orignals (if there are any, I'm not really an expert when it comes to these kinds of facilities ), but I think the night lights could have been a tad flashier. Well, maybe you just tried to make them look as harmless as possible, and given the eruption that their release caused nonetheless, this may have been a good move. Adding the NIMBY effect is a great idea, too!

Nonetheless, I think by now I have enough low-density CS$$ lots. Some good dense CS$$$ buildings are also available - now if there were some bigger CS$ buildings to help satisfy the demand, which is usually constantly high... or have you ever tried modelling a big residential building? I found that R$$, which is needed in masses in bigger cities with lots of CO buildings, is really lacking any interesting BATs. I already modded 5 or 6 buildings to higher capacity or from something totally different (landmarks, commercial buildings) to residentials in order to have at least some variation.

[sepsis 17]

I'll never understand the moralists' total fixation on anything sexual, while they say nothing about the possibility in Sim City to roam around in tanks or helicopters killing civilians...

Keep up the great work, SG, and I'm of course hoping for more 'reality' lots..

 

 

 

[SimGoober 2,351]

wow... post these, go to bed, and the next morning, lots of chatter.  Glad to see all the debate; everyone is entitled to their opinions.  It's funny though, as sometimes I suppose realisim gets people carried away.  There are animated props that Maxis shipped with the game, that depict more graphic crimes and activities than most realise.  Their are prostitutes, drug deals, muggings, even a murder.  Just wanted to say that, as I included new versions of some of these props, and I didn't make them up; Maxis did.

I won't be releasing any more of this style immediately; I hadn't planned to.  I want to tweak the ones I have left first, so they don't take over your city, and maybe come up with a few more variations as well, so they are not so repeatitive.

[Tolomar 5]

well the lots are done in a tasteful manner....nothing particularly vulgar about the name or the way the lot is presented or looks

 

as for not having this lot in your game...don't download it and install it into your game...promblem solved

 

 

 

I do have 1 concern....where the heck is the chip & dales  ?

[SimGoober 2,351]

Those little chipmunks wouldn't be seen here... lol.. but a Chippendales... hmmmm. May have to build one for the Ladies!

[crazyarchitect 7]

my goodness, the moral wars have started, but anyway, like everyone says, everybody is entitled to opinions, and if you don't like or don't agree with what,s being depicted, then don't download it, but good job with the gruling reality

[garfiedude 2]

I like tying it to gambling, that'll make it the mayor's decision whether they grow or not, is that possible?

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Thats the idea i was thinking of, the Gambling ordinance would become a sort of sleaze ordinance, enable it, and not only do you get the cassino and the puny amount of extra cash, but stuff like this starts growing in your city, along with small betting shops and a few growable cassinos maybe. The lots could have higher valus (for tax income) than regular commerce (going by ingame standards with Andreas' database), but bring with them the nimbyism.

Is it possible to have certain lots triggered to grow only when a particular ordinance has been selected?

This would allow you to grow a Las Vegas for real, with both the glamour and the sleaze and the consequencies of it (crime, mayor rating, Nimbyism, etc.).

[Jeem 17]

Strip clubs are a product of the free market. You have a service that is in demand and some people willing to fill that demand, kinda like how RCI works. There's nothing good, bad, right or wrong about it. I don't see what the whole brouhaha is all about.

[+Guest]

Depending on the city,income and a bunch of other factors you can have the dark,smelly and anything goes Strip club or you can have the upscale Gentleman's club were it cost you 10 bucks for a 8oz beer and the food is nothing less then 5 stars plus they will even park your car for you.

   I suggest to those having a problem with Goobers Lots you go check your history.

[Jeem 17]

I think another idea would be a non-descript building that's actually an escort service call out center. It would fit in well with the Vegas city theme and the picture would be totally PG since it'll look like any run of the mill CS$ or even CS$$ building.

[Norwegian Neko 12]

Date: 5/11/2005 9:17:08 PM
Author: garfiedude

Oh, and no, I'm not a 'regular' at this sort of place. I just drive by a lot of them in my travels... lol

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I don't know, the attention to detail there is remarkable

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And how would you know?

Seriously, though, if we could get that sleaze ordinance thing working, I could build a couple of Vegas-style crapholes that earn mucho bucks.

I've been getting kind of bored with the whole polished simcity look, so a bunch of sleazy, slummy, and more pointedly downtrodden themes would be really cool.

[TheJerseyDevil73 13]

Dev : What is wrong with you? If something isn't in perfect order and to your high noble standards do you feel the need to attack it? If you don't like it, don't download it. Also what do you do while driving down your roads in Alabama. Cover young childrens eyes while passing these establishments and jump the curb to do a U-turn and run?

Simgoober : great job and please keep them coming. As the creator of a real city any real lots help alot. Since Edmonton isn't in the Land of Dev I will need certain lots such as these. Please don't back away from there extreme few opinions.

[pekeboo01 3]

Chippendales? lol I love it! If Laura Bush  can go there (I am sure she didn't really, but she did kid about)  so can my sims. Love your BATS SG. Keep them coming. Heading to Blackbeards Bar and Grill  for lunch.

[jglei701 8]

And so now we resort to personal attacks?  Dev did not do anything but show displeasure for the release of these lots... he never made a comment attacking anyone, like this:

 

Date: 5/12/2005 11:58:05 AM Author: TheJerseyDevil73

Dev : What is wrong with you? If something isn't in perfect order and to your high noble standards do you feel the need to attack it?

 

 

I could stoop to do the same, but instead I'll just point out who is doing the attacking and that it wasn't provoked by any other attack.

[Jeem 17]

Date: 5/12/2005 5:28:44 AM Author: T Wrecks 

No liberal person wants to keep a conservative from living his conservative life the way he deems right. (In this case: Nobody forces anybody to like or download this). Why do the more conservative people always have to try and keep more open-minded people from living as they please?

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Sure liberals do, they just do it on different issues. I think the fact that most people are equating sexual material to crime and waste is off the mark. What you really should be using as an analogy is if someone made a BAT of a KKK ranch or a Nation of Islam themed BAT. Would people dismiss the complaints as readily?