An ordinance

[PIPICécé 49]

Hello, is there an ordinance who can raise the cost by the number of sims, commercial job and industrial job together ? Normaly it's only by the number of sims.

Thank in advance for the answer.

[Null 45 3,018]

By cost do you mean the ordinance expense? I am not aware of any existing ordinances that do that, but it is something that could be implemented by a DLL ordinance.

Out of curiosity, what type of ordinance are you thinking of? I can't think of any reason for one to need the cost derived from the RCI group totals.

[PIPICécé 49]

Hello Null 45, you have create an ordinance "human society", In fact I want to make an ordinance who regrouping almost all of the benefit for a cost of a factor of R C and I.

Normaly "Montly income factor" is for all residential and for modify that a dll must be made.

[PIPICécé 49]

For exemple all of that set initialy to 0 in a INI file

[PIPICécé 49]

For all the effect the default is 1.0, for the bonus it must be 0.0.

[PIPICécé 49]

Another problem is that I can't get the "Human Society" ordinance to live in the game, here's what the log file gives me:

 

SC4HumaneSocietyOrdinance v1.0.0
[15:7:48.217] bad locale name

[TheMurderousCricket 5,042]

16 hours ago, Null 45 said:

Out of curiosity, what type of ordinance are you thinking of? I can't think of any reason for one to need the cost derived from the RCI group totals.

Oh, trust me that I would see a lot of possibilities for numerous ordinances calculated from the most exotic sets of numbers if only there was no limit as to how many are available. This is something that SC3000 excelled in and SC4 largely ignored.

[Null 45 3,018]

26 minutes ago, TheMurderousCricket said:

Oh, trust me that I would see a lot of possibilities for numerous ordinances calculated from the most exotic sets of numbers if only there was no limit as to how many are available.

DLLs can add new ordinances with whatever custom algorithms they want to use, the challenge is that I have never found an easy way to make that accessible to people who don't know C++.

26 minutes ago, TheMurderousCricket said:

This is something that SC3000 excelled in and SC4 largely ignored.

I would not be surprised if additional ordinances were one of the features that Maxis had to cut to make EA's target release date.

16 hours ago, PIPICécé said:

SC4HumaneSocietyOrdinance v1.0.0
[15:7:48.217] bad locale name

Fixed in version 1.1.

[PIPICécé 49]

" DLLs can add new ordinances with whatever custom algorithms they want to use, the challenge is that I have never found an easy way to make that accessible to people who don't know C++. "

I'am a real nulity with C++ at this time, It where good if I know more how to do with the SC4's Dlls at least.

Well nulity only on C++, otherwise I perfectly understand the variables and the triggers, I play sometime to Warcraft 3 in the world editor so I have a minimum, but for C++...

 

" Fixed in version 1.1. "

Ah the 1.1 version, thanks.

[PIPICécé 49]

Otherwise, can we do triggers on ini files ?

[PIPICécé 49]

For exemple those triggers:

    if (monthlyIncome < std::numeric_limits<int64_t>::min())
    {
        monthlyIncomeInteger = std::numeric_limits<int64_t>::min();
    }
    else if (monthlyIncome > std::numeric_limits<int64_t>::max())
    {
        monthlyIncomeInteger = std::numeric_limits<int64_t>::max();
    }
    else
    {
        monthlyIncomeInteger = static_cast<int64_t>(monthlyIncome);
    }

[Null 45 3,018]

43 minutes ago, PIPICécé said:

Otherwise, can we do triggers on ini files ?

No.

43 minutes ago, PIPICécé said:

For exemple those triggers:

Those are not triggers, they are simply checks to ensure the monthly income is within the range of a signed 64-bit integer.

[PIPICécé 49]

Your Humane Society is not based on an ordinance file, apparently it can be done by doing this on HumaneSocietyOrdinance.cpp  file:

BuiltInOrdinanaceExemplarInfo(0xXXXXXXXX, 0xXXXXXXXX)

[PIPICécé 49]

low wealth population is:

GetCityPopulation(0x1011)

mediumwealthpopulation is:

GetCityPopulation(0x1021)

Highwealtpopulation is:

GetCityPopulation(0x1031)

But for industrial and commercial job it must be something like GetCityPopulation(0xXXXX)

[PIPICécé 49]

23 files was nececary to creat the gambling upgrad dll file in c++, it is the trick that a begin to understand.

 

[Null 45 3,018]

39 minutes ago, PIPICécé said:

Your Humane Society is not based on an ordinance file, apparently it can be done by doing this on HumaneSocietyOrdinance.cpp  file:

No, it is more complex than that.

BuiltInOrdinanaceExemplarInfo is only used in the Legalize Gambling upgrade plugin because Maxis stored the TGI in the save game data, and that plugin needs to use the same save game format as the Maxis plugin it replaces. I am not actually reading any of the exemplar data.
The legalized gambling ordinance upgrade plugin is more complex than the humane society ordinance because it is replacing the code for a built-in ordinance in order to change its behavior. The humane society and city lottery ordinances just add new ordinances into the game using the relevant API.

There is no built-in way to get the total commercial or industrial populations, you have to query the individual sub group populations and add up the total.

10 minutes ago, PIPICécé said:

23 files was nececary to creat the gambling upgrad dll file in c++, it is the trick that a begin to understand.

It is far more than that when GZCOM code in included.

[PIPICécé 49]

"There is no built-in way to get the total commercial or industrial populations, you have to query the individual sub group populations and add up the total. "

Is the "game.g_city_rci_population" of the LUA file work ?

[PIPICécé 49]

A GZCOM, this one:

https://github.com/nsgomez/gzcom-dll/blob/master/gzcom-dll/src/cGZCityHallUpgradeDllDirector.cpp

[PIPICécé 49]

I can't see "GetCityPopulation()" in all the files of GZCOM, maybe because I have not enough search.

[PIPICécé 49]

" I can't see "GetCityPopulation()" in all the files of GZCOM, maybe because I have not enough search. "

Ah, I understand, I can't see this variable because it is not intrinsic to GZCOM file.

[PIPICécé 49]

" There is no built-in way to get the total commercial or industrial populations, you have to query the individual sub group populations and add up the total. "

So, "GetCityPopulation(3111)" will be not Commercial Service$ number of job ?

[PIPICécé 49]

I have just a request, can you creat a virgin ordinance with praticaly all the "ordinance property" set to theire original number who can modified on ini file ?

With a negative income factor with all type of RCI set to 0 that we can change one by one on ini file too ?

For exemple:

R$=0.0

R$$=0.0

R$$$=0.0

CS$=0.0

CS$$=0.0

CS$$$=0.0

CO$$=0.0

CO$$=0.0

IR=0.0

ID=0.0

IM=0.0

IHT=0.0

Take all your time if you want, I'm not in too much of a hurry either

  Edited April 11, 2025 by nos.17  
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