Deadly Riots Rock London

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

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Well, well! A simple protest turns into a full scale riot, apparently by interloping thugs. Good luck to the Met taking apart all the surveillance tapes. It is a little late for a "French" revolution.

[Jamesrules90 133]

They're just rioting so they can loot. You have people who have looted 1000s of pounds worth of stuff. The "riots" are because the police shot and killed somebody who shot them. These will continue on for a little longer but will die out, as long as you stay out of the "rough" areas of London you will be fine.

[TekindusT 3,809]

If I remember well, Paris "banlieues" suffered a quite similar situation a year or a couple years ago. There were two difficult weeks, but rioters finally calmed down. I guess this will happen sooner or later with London.

[x493x 446]

In a way it kinda is like Vancouver (like you say in your sub-title) people trying to find any excuse to cause damage. Though the excuse in this case was a "police killing" instead of a "we lost the game." Still though, it isn't good. The only difference is these people will probably get punished while the ones in Vancouver will get off free, that's just what happens here (in North America), once the attention is away from the situation nothing happens because everybody's forgotten, or atleast that's how it seems to work.

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

There is getting to be a rash of these. I am beginning to think there is an organization behind all this. Maybe that's paranoid, but let's review the appearance of these hoodlums that are in recent memory:

1. Toronto : G20

2. Vancouver

3. London.

(Paris? Maybe).

We need to go back to the old rule that looters are shot on sight.

[x493x 446]

There is getting to be a rash of these. I am beginning to think there is an organization behind all this. Maybe that's paranoid, but let's review the appearance of these hoodlums that are in recent memory:

1. Toronto : G20

2. Vancouver

3. London.

(Paris? Maybe).

We need to go back to the old rule that looters are shot on sight.

ya, that's just worry, they can't be related. Here's the cause of each:

1. Protests against government actions

2. Lost the Hockey finals

3. The police killed a man

These are all seperate events that have caught the attention of seperate trouble-makers. I don't think that people would create a mass-organization, that spans the world, just to smash coffee shop windows and torch cars. Highly unlikely but there is a trend and this trend has been around forever, just more recently lately.

[TekindusT 3,809]

We can differ between two kinds of riots here:

1. Poverty/Discrimination-motivated riots: like the ones now in London or the Paris ones a couple of years ago.

2. Directed riots: like the ones in Toronto (G20), Vancouver (lost the game), Barcelona (won the game), etc.

I don't think there's an international management of riotings, but it has been demonstrated by police that; in the second kind of riotings, people come from different parts of Europe just to take part in the riots and lootings wherever they happen.

  Edited August 8, 2011 by TekindusT  

[jim 546 43]

The riots have spread across London and have started in Birmingham city centre. There's also rumours of rioting in Leeds and someone being shot there. It's not about Duggan any more, it's just groups doing smash-and-grabs on stores and arsonists having a good time. Looks like this will keep going for a while.

[Cleaner475 150]

Scary times. Whole Sony Centre Distribtion centre is alight is Enfield tonight. 750 people work there. Grim days. Anyone in major UK cities stay safe.

Regards,

Richard

[Merlin of Flyote 8]

Just mindless thugery, violence, looting and arson. Not in the name of Mark Duggan a young father of two who was shot in a Mini-cab (type of Taxi) in an arrest that went wrong. To put it in order:-

Thursday Shooting of Mark Duggan

Saturday Afternoon:- Peaceful Protest March by friends and family to Tottenham (north London) police station.

Saturday Evening:- Riots, Looting and Arson take place on Tottenham High Road.

Sunday Evening:- Copycat Riots in Enfield (north London).

Monday Evening:- Copycat Riots in 8 or 9 different parts of London including Croydon(south London) in which a man was found in a car with gun-shot wounds and a family business was destroyed. It had been in the same family since 1867.

These events are being organized on Blackberry and are streching the resources of the Emergency Services. Policemen have been injured including one case of attemped murder. Over 450 arrests so far. Last night (Monday) it spread to Birmingham, Bristol, Leeds, Nottingham and other places. The Politicans still won't let the Police use Water Cannon, Arms or call in the Army.

[Meg 368]

This reminds me of the 1968 riots in Washington, DC. After a few days, they called out the National Guard and had an armed guy in uniform on many street corners.

Has anyone died yet? At the rate it's going, someone is going to.

[hyped_up_boy 15]

I'm surprised they haven't authorized the use of stronger force against these people. Obviously just standing there with riot shields is doing nothing, especially when the rioters start throwing road signs and fireworks. Apparently they're not even allowed to use water cannons.

[chicah 20]

These riots are not about skin colour, but about poverty and alienation. The British society should've seen this coming.

[Timmystwin 201]

True, but its very hard to get people with money to part with it. Trickle down is the best thing weve got other than taxes paying for services. Which are being cut. (Not that im a socialist or anything...)

And water cannons arent exactly safe, you get hit in the face you may get blinded, that happened in germany a while back. Also the Met police is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, in the world so getting in more force means that there is a very big problem. Next up is the army.

[TekindusT 3,809]

And water cannons arent exactly safe, you get hit in the face you may get blinded, that happened in germany a while back. Also the Met police is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, in the world so getting in more force means that there is a very big problem. Next up is the army.

Water cannons aren't safe, rubber bullets aren't safe, tear gas isn't safe, pepper spray isn't safe... There's not a 100% safe riot control method; whatever you use, somebody will get hurt.

  Edited August 9, 2011 by TekindusT  

[Easy Bakes 253]

And water cannons arent exactly safe, you get hit in the face you may get blinded, that happened in germany a while back. Also the Met police is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, in the world so getting in more force means that there is a very big problem. Next up is the army.

Water cannons aren't safe, rubber bullets aren't safe, tear gas isn't safe, pepper spray isn't safe... There's not a 100% safe riot control method; whatever you use, somebody will get hurt.

Rioting isn't safe either.this has gone far beyond just protesting some tragic shooting, the people still out there rioting are just troublemakers/looters/arsonists.

the police are acting appropriately.Ill bet a lot of the people who are currently complaining about their methods are on camera some were looting or burning something.

  Edited August 9, 2011 by Easy Bakes  

[Ocram's Razr 964]

I hope the criminals get punished but they never are.

[Merlin of Flyote 8]

And water cannons arent exactly safe, you get hit in the face you may get blinded, that happened in germany a while back. Also the Met police is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, in the world so getting in more force means that there is a very big problem. Next up is the army.

Water cannons aren't safe, rubber bullets aren't safe, tear gas isn't safe, pepper spray isn't safe... There's not a 100% safe riot control method; whatever you use, somebody will get hurt.

The safest method is a tank with machine gun. They would deserve it. Lets face it these rioters don't care about other people, why should other people care about them.

The Met arn't allowed to use water cannons unless the politicians approve it in parliment (which they won't so far).

To call in more police the Met has to bring in policemen from other forces like Kent, Essex, Sussex, Surrey etc. and they in turn might ask for volunteers (like myself) to man the stations to release officers from the backrooms to go on the streets.

  Edited August 9, 2011 by Merlin of Flyote  

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

And water cannons arent exactly safe, you get hit in the face you may get blinded, that happened in germany a while back. Also the Met police is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, in the world so getting in more force means that there is a very big problem. Next up is the army.

Water cannons aren't safe, rubber bullets aren't safe, tear gas isn't safe, pepper spray isn't safe... There's not a 100% safe riot control method; whatever you use, somebody will get hurt.

The safest method is a tank with machine gun. They would deserve it. Lets face it these rioters don't care about other people, why should other people care about them.

The Met arn't allowed to use water cannons unless the politicians approve it in parliment (which they won't so far).

To call in more police the Met has to bring in policemen from other forces like Kent, Essex, Sussex, Surrey etc. and they in turn might ask for volunteers (like myself) to man the stations to release officers from the backrooms to go on the streets.

Napoleon knew how to settle this kind of thing. "A little grape would clear this rabble.".

These thugs are counting on a weak response from the Met. Without Parliamentary authorization the Met's hands are tied, but Parliament has been recalled. Judicial has stated that these offenders will be fast tracked. Do you still have capital punishment for looting in the U.K.?

I gather that, like in Vancouver, there will be a big response on both the social networks and a forensic examination of the surveillance videos from the various scenes.

CBC is reporting volunteer clean-up squads. If there is more trouble, there is likely to be a civil response. Pitched battles in the streets would be a pity.

[wallasey 8]

Its all kicking off in Manchester and Salford; The Selfridges building is reportedly ablaze.

I did hear the person who was shot in Croydon has passed away. They don't know if more casualties were in the flats above shops which are now completely gutted. Let's hope not.

It is starting to get worse than 1981.

[Timmystwin 201]

I wouldnt condone murder to stop them. That makes us worse. Equal non lethal methods, go for it. Im beyond caring.

Also, some of the jokes coming from this are win.

[TekindusT 3,809]

Isn't any alternate way to pass the Metropolitan Police authorization for using riot control material? Like a decree or something like this; I'm just asking because I have no idea on how these stuff work in the UK.

If you ask to me, if this cannot be done, the only solution would be arresting looters and rioters one by one and imprisoning them until things calm down, but I guess there will be some kind of legal issue that makes this impractical. And please, buy new full-body shields for the police, those current shields are ridiculous...

I just don't want to imagine what would think if looters were shot as it has been proposed above...

  Edited August 9, 2011 by TekindusT  

[Merlin of Flyote 8]

Isn't any alternate way to pass the Metropolitan Police authorization for using riot control material? Like a decree or something like this; I'm just asking because I have no idea on how these stuff work in the UK.

If you ask to me, if this cannot be done, the only solution would be arresting looters and rioters one by one and imprisoning them until things calm down, but I guess there will be some kind of legal issue that makes this impractical. And please, buy new full-body shields for the police, those current shields are ridiculous...

I just don't want to imagine what would think if looters were shot as it has been proposed above...

Being shot on sight was a recognised method of dealing with looting world-wide. Sadly the European Courts will not allow any form of death penalty anymore.

The Government will not allow the use of water cannon, although as I understand it the Met Police can use plastic bullets as a last resort.

In the UK decrees cannot be issued, parliment needs to debate this, but parliment has not been recalled. Only the Party Leaders have come back from their holidays.

London is quiet tonight with 16,000 police on the streets compared to 6,000 last night, mainly by using Policemen from other forces. Birmingham, Manchester and Nottingham are having problems tonight.

[RipRap 4,400]

This is getting worldwide attention... I just watched a Filipino News and the top headline? London Riots... Korean News? London Riots... NHK in Japan? London Riots.... We will always thank these hooligans for destroying another city...

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

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OK, just what is the cause of all this? The U,K. is not known to be a volatile place. This is starting to look like the Luddite riots of the 19th century. Is there such a great dichotomy between the haves and the have-nots? Or is it just a summer of typical hooliganism? What are the pressures that bring about a country wide set of disturbances?

[EyeofMobius 27]

From news reports I have been snippetting and putting in my brain the last five years since I first started visiting and occasionally living there it seems that protesting and demonstrations have been more dramatically on the rise there since at least the start of the Iraq war. Many laws legislations and taxes seem to be getting passed which the masses are progressively less pleased with. Also like seemingly most commonwealth governments scandal is on the rise as well. Many publics seem to no longer have faith in leadership and it is all breaking down.

To sum it all up the shooting may have been the straw that broke the camel's back and just the tip of the iceberg; Time will tell.

[Easy Bakes 253]

Isn't any alternate way to pass the Metropolitan Police authorization for using riot control material? Like a decree or something like this; I'm just asking because I have no idea on how these stuff work in the UK.

If you ask to me, if this cannot be done, the only solution would be arresting looters and rioters one by one and imprisoning them until things calm down, but I guess there will be some kind of legal issue that makes this impractical. And please, buy new full-body shields for the police, those current shields are ridiculous...

I just don't want to imagine what would think if looters were shot as it has been proposed above...

Being shot on sight was a recognised method of dealing with looting world-wide. Sadly the European Courts will not allow any form of death penalty anymore.

The Government will not allow the use of water cannon, although as I understand it the Met Police can use plastic bullets as a last resort.

In the UK decrees cannot be issued, parliment needs to debate this, but parliment has not been recalled. Only the Party Leaders have come back from their holidays.

London is quiet tonight with 16,000 police on the streets compared to 6,000 last night, mainly by using Policemen from other forces. Birmingham, Manchester and Nottingham are having problems tonight.

the Met being hamstrung by not being able to "Use" the necessary gear and equipment to quell an out of control riot with out parliaments approval just boggles my mind. Do they have to ask parliment if they can arrest the 3 fellows in the masks holding bank bags they just saw leave a bank?

Seriously no one has ANY common sense any more, some local police captain should have taken control

and issued the right equipment to the officers including the water cannons.this would have been over the 1st night.

[jim 546 43]

OK, just what is the cause of all this? The U,K. is not known to be a volatile place.

The riots started as protests against the police for killing a person in Tottenham, and generally seen as being offensive and discriminative in that area. The riots were pretty limited on the first night sticking to a small part of the city but now it's grown. The people saw on the first night how limited the police response was and are taking advantage of it. Now hundreds of people are ganging up and looting businesses across several cities knowing they can get away with it, though London has calmed down tonight.

The police really need to get something to confront the gangs such as beanbags or water cannons. That or hope it rains tomorrow night (though not tomorrow morning, that would ruin the cricket!).

  Edited August 10, 2011 by jim 546  

[jacksunny 741]

The City Of London wants RIM to temporarily shut down BlackBerry Messenger as it is an easy way for the rioters to contact each other in private.

I don't really agree with this, what about business men that use the service? I guess there is always regular texting.

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

The City Of London wants RIM to temporarily shut down BlackBerry Messenger as it is an easy way for the rioters to contact each other in private.

I don't really agree with this, what about business men that use the service? I guess there is always regular texting.

RIM has received threats from some hackers should they do that according to tonight's CBC National.

None of this is doing the social networks much good. It is starting to look like shutting them all down would be a useful thing.