C88 Productions | Projects by: Ceafus 88

[Francis90b 748]

Sounds great!

When you have the fire escape, would you mind showing a render of the back?

[Ceafus 88 1,863]

Yes, I was meaning to get a 360 view of all the row houses, but I am going to wait until I have the fire escape on to do that now

[Gn_leugim 858]

great idea of multiple colours for variation

[Ceafus 88 1,863]

Moved Chimney, and started on Fire Escapes

[darn42 1,268]

The fire escapes look too chunky atm. The bars look kinda like thick boxes. Make them thinner. Other than that it's turning out to be a very nice, small BAT.

[Francis90b 748]

What you have now are two fire escapes, for each of the buildings, put into one area that's not very well served by natural light.

I suggested something like situation 1 - a shared fire escape, shared means both building would have access to the same fire-escape - or, that just one fire escape would be needed for both of them.

While i've seen shared fire-escape between different buildings, i'm not sure about wheter this could be a likely outcome for this specific set of buildings . however, their layout seems to suggest it.

Then, situation 2 would allow you to have one fire escape for each building, but i placed them outside of the recessed area (one fire escape casts shadows, and would make a dark area even darker).

It's also possible that what you have now is the most likely outcome, and all of my guessings are wrong...normally i would not like to talk about anything unless i'm fairly confident that something is likely or unlikely - however, i don't have enough datas to claim that, therefore take what i'm writing now cum grano salis (i.e. don't take it too seriously).

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[AndisArt 2,068]

nice building!

not sure if you've done so already but I would suggest to minimally (0,05-0,1) chamfer the edges of the building, this way they will appear more natural. Or as an alternative you can use the Round Edges in the Special Effects rollout of the material map (only if material is Arch&Design I think)

[Francis90b 748]

With all due respect -

Actually, not even single bricks are in line, they slightly extrude, and the moretar between them is slightly recessed - rowhouse stoops would probably not be exactly flat, too, because people might have built them with a very slight slope to help rain flow away (sometimes they did) - then, the door and it's carvings might be corrected too, perhaps the door might have started leaning on one side after all those years, and perhaps the sawmasters who crafted them in first place might have made some line that's 0.002 mm wonky here or there....if someone made a nice design for a plot that's labelled to be 25 ft wide, chances are that it's actual widht might actually have been 24'10'' or 25'1'' .... why not adding all this, and then do some nice 0,05-0,1 chamfering here and there? I'm sure it would make the building appear more natural....

Why am I so critical of this?

Recently i've been working on this:

And actually a 0,05 difference matters quite a bit.

I add 0,05 more, and the windows would start looking like deep wells (beyond what can be expected to be true) - 0,05 less and they would appear flush with the wall (another unrealistic situation) - 0,05 more, and the cornices around the windows would literally jump on your eye, 0,05 less, and you would not see them at all...

I could agree on the statement that nothing IRL is perfectly flat, or straight, or even.The size of those inaccuracies, however, is usually even smaller than the size of small details (e.g. one brick would probably not stick past the mortar line for more than 0,01 mtrs, it's progressive weathering and wearing through the time might have softened it so much that there's 0,0005 of chamfering on it's edges, etc, ect) ... modelling those inaccuracies with dimensions that would belong to small details would force you to, in turn exxagerate small details even more (and far more) than what the SC4 perspective already requires you to -

If it was done in this way, you'd get a much worse lack of realism, rather than the "realistic" situation you mention.

[darn42 1,268]

Francis:

I'm not sure what post you are responding to, but you don't need to model those extremely small details to get more realism. A simple, large noise map in the bump slot with little strength will fix the sense of cg in the large flat surfaces. I do think that you should use either a bump map for the bricks (a brick bump map in composite with a layer of big noise set to overlay or something similar), or the bump map as just the large noise with a 3d displacement map, in the mentalray connection tab, under displacement. You will have to unlock the displacement in that tab before you can use it, but the map you can use for it is very nice and controllable.

Andisart:

I don't think that's the problem here. He has 2 colors of bricks at a corner, red and dark grey, and the bricks on the red side seem like the have no thickness. Make the red brick side longer (and a seperate object) and give it some thickness. Aaron did that in the example he showed.

[Francis90b 748]

Francis:

I'm not sure what post you are responding to, but you don't need to model those extremely small details to get more realism. A simple, large noise map in the bump slot with little strength will fix the sense of cg in the large flat surfaces. I do think that you should use either a bump map for the bricks (a brick bump map in composite with a layer of big noise set to overlay or something similar), or the bump map as just the large noise with a 3d displacement map, in the mentalray connection tab, under displacement. You will have to unlock the displacement in that tab before you can use it, but the map you can use for it is very nice and controllable.

I'm replying to Andisart post above mine - who actually suggested to model some of them - i asked him wheter it was the case to model each and any inaccuracy or infinitesimal detail a building would have, and moreover, doing that, at 10-20 times their size.

[darn42 1,268]

I don't think he did suggest to model the things, he just said to chamfer the edges so that it isn't a straight 90 degree because the corners looked weird.

[Francis90b 748]

Sometimes it might happen that two walls, treated in different ways, meet at the very corner of a building.

This would be one example - perhaps those were all bricks at one time...now it's painted orange bricks on the front facade, and plaster (?) on the sides.

That's a second one - and this would be a third one.

[IL. 1,043]

so farso good, but I think that the font of the BAT need some textures contrast, like add some gray or white textures for the windows edges or something

[Ceafus 88 1,863]

 

Pardon my absence, but now trixes are over, and the over-hyped SimCity is now released and failing as expected, I can get back to focusing on my works, and getting these finished up for the community, I fixed the fire escape as Francis suggested, thoughts?

[T Wrecks 10,210]

Well, the fire escapes look spot on to me!

[Pobs 24]

Those fire escapes are fantastic.

[Gn_leugim 858]

I second what has been said

[Ceafus 88 1,863]

Thanks much guys! With this complete, I believe I am ready to move on to nightlights!

[Toothless Stitch 2,901]

Reminds me of Francis's apartments!

[Francis90b 748]

Can i get a closer look at these?

 

I mean, one perspective render of them.

 

I will speak once i see it .

[Za 164]

Not sure how I missed these before today; I like these rowhouses a lot! Relocating the fire escapes did the trick.

[Darknono35 3,138]

Fire escape like all the building are beautiful

[Ceafus 88 1,863]

Here is a closer view of it (HD Render):

 

Thank you everyone for the support and encouragement.

[Francis90b 748]

I'm afraid there's a lot of redundancy there - landing where there shouldn't be, sometimes covering the stair ramps.

 

There are two ways it could work:

 

 

Landings in red, ramps in green - basic scheme, only relevant things shown.

[Bipin 3,403]

Loving the HD work!

[Ceafus 88 1,863]

I went with option A and here is the result:

[libellibicus 396]

Roof texturing is amazing.....you've just raised the Bar higher for everyone else.

[Pobs 24]

This is a fantastic piece of work.

[Toothless Stitch 2,901]

lol, I just realised that it's Frex

[Francis90b 748]

It would be better to make the landings face the windows, and the ramps face the yard.

 

While designing things like this, it's not a bad idea to imagine yourself in that situation, i mean, to imagine yourself walking on that fire-escape - i found it to be an helpful strategy with a lot of things.