small international airport

[Nomis 0]

i finally updated my large municipal airports to small international airports. however, after their capacity quickly got saturated, there were no notification to upgrade it to a larger airport. does it mean that's it? there wont be a larger airport?

thanks,

Nomis

[ewd76 2]

I don't know. Maybe you have enough demand to fill that one to capacity, but not enough demand for another airport. I just realized yesterday that my regional airport was filled(after a previous upgrade) and added an International. Amazing that a city of 100,000 needs an International Airport. the only way I noticed it is because it had turned black. As soon as I opened up the new airport it became shiny again.

[Strategist01 0]

Originally posted by: ewd76 I don't know. Maybe you have enough demand to fill that one to capacity, but not enough demand for another airport. I just realized yesterday that my regional airport was filled(after a previous upgrade) and added an International. Amazing that a city of 100,000 needs an International Airport. the only way I noticed it is because it had turned black. As soon as I opened up the new airport it became shiny again.quote>

 

Hmmm, this is odd, as i have a city of 130 000 sims, and they only used about 20 000 capacity of the small municipal airport...maybe it just because they're mostly dirt poor and can't afford to travel ...is your city made up mainly of medium to high-wealth sims?

[io_bg 249]

The airport usage depends not on the number of the population and on the number of the commercial jobs (and if you have 50 000 commercial jobs the usage of your airport will be 50 000)

[ewd76 2]

Originally posted by: Strategist01

Originally posted by: ewd76 I don't know. Maybe you have enough demand to fill that one to capacity, but not enough demand for another airport. I just realized yesterday that my regional airport was filled(after a previous upgrade) and added an International. Amazing that a city of 100,000 needs an International Airport. the only way I noticed it is because it had turned black. As soon as I opened up the new airport it became shiny again.quote>

is your city made up mainly of medium to high-wealth sims?quote>

Yes, and apparently very happy. A lot of cheats including starting out the city with the tall office plops in the very center and buying the mayor rating for $10,000. I am currently working off of my second $900,000,000 after having eaten away the first. Money well spent

[tungston 19]

The game airports, unlike real life, don't carry passengers, just frieght. How much depends on the size of the city's commerial population, and how well they are doing.

[ewd76 2]

Originally posted by: tungston The game airports, unlike real life, don't carry passengers, just frieght.quote>

Just out of curiosity, where do you come up with that? According to page 43 of the manual: "Make sure your airport has good transportation access to your commercial zones, otherwise those white collar Sims(passengers) won't be able to make their flights."

[tungston 19]

If you open an airport in iLives Reader, or SC4Tools, you will see a freight factor, but no passenger capacity.

airports are to commercial 

as

seaports are to industrial

[Kahara 0]

I have to agree with tungston on this one. My airports get dilapidated even though they are used often and have plenty of funding. Most of my cities are commercial so this wouldn't explain it. Airport are a weird bunch.

[hawkpride147 1]

well this issue should now be fixed. the AC team has released a new set of prefabricated airports that are self upgrading...at a couple of points, you have to add in the runway. but it takes care of the problem very well. there are 9 stages from grass airfield to major international hub airport. it can be found at sc4devotion and features RL airlines.

[ewd76 2]

Originally posted by: hawkpride147 well this issue should now be fixed. the AC team has released a new set of prefabricated airports that are self upgrading...at a couple of points, you have to add in the runway. but it takes care of the problem very well. there are 9 stages from grass airfield to major international hub airport. it can be found at sc4devotion and features RL airlines.quote>

Any chance you have a link? I logged in to SC4Devotion and can't find it.

[Nomis 0]

Originally posted by: ewd76 I don't know. Maybe you have enough demand to fill that one to capacity, but not enough demand for another airport. I just realized yesterday that my regional airport was filled(after a previous upgrade) and added an International. Amazing that a city of 100,000 needs an International Airport. the only way I noticed it is because it had turned black. As soon as I opened up the new airport it became shiny again.quote>

i have like 300k middle to high wealth job.

so i guess the small international airport with 120k capacity would be too small?

[ewd76 2]

Originally posted by: Nomis

Originally posted by: ewd76 I don't know. Maybe you have enough demand to fill that one to capacity, but not enough demand for another airport. I just realized yesterday that my regional airport was filled(after a previous upgrade) and added an International. Amazing that a city of 100,000 needs an International Airport. the only way I noticed it is because it had turned black. As soon as I opened up the new airport it became shiny again.quote>

i have like 300k middle to high wealth job.

so i guess the small international airport with 120k capacity would be too small?quote>

Beats me, I gave up trying to associate this game with anything that made sense.

[tungston 19]

Originally posted by: Nomis i finally updated my large municipal airports to small international airports. however, after their capacity quickly got saturated, there were no notification to upgrade it to a larger airport. does it mean that's it? there wont be a larger airport?

thanks,

Nomisquote>

 

Each of the 3 game default airports have 3 levels.  As the airport nears capacity it will start to dilapidate [turn dingy].  When it gets really close to, or at capacity the game should offer an upgrade until the third level is reached.

[Nomis 0]

Originally posted by: tungston

Each of the 3 game default airports have 3 levels.  As the airport nears capacity it will start to dilapidate [turn dingy].  When it gets really close to, or at capacity the game should offer an upgrade until the third level is reached.quote>

dingy like this?

[tungston 19]

That's it, the ticker should be offering an upgrade. 

Addendum:  There are 3 versions of each of the airports, small, medium, and large.

[Kahara 0]

Nomis, I'd hate to be a pilot and have to land at your airport and avoid all those trees of yours in there. Looks a bit like its overgrown from being unused for years.

[Argon Vex 1]

Originally posted by: tungston That's it, the ticker should be offering an upgrade. 

Addendum:  There are 3 versions of each of the airports, small, medium, and large.quote>

Uhu. But you might not get the message if you installed the 'less nonsense' script from this site. It filters out the annoying non-city-relevant messages, but it also cancels out the airport/seaport upgrade requests.

[loveangel 0]

Hmm. Can you be sure it hasn't already been offered? Just like the poster above said sometimes you don't get the pop ups. I have them turned off within the plain maxis settings, you don't even need the plugin in order to stop getting the popup messages. All you do is click the news ticker at the very bottom, there should be something about pilots needing more elbow room. That is the airport upgrade dialogue.

[Argon Vex 1]

It doesn't stop pop up messages, it stops all the useless messages like 'scientists discover duct tape's nutritional value' and such

[Nomis 0]

guys,

i ran it just as it is for 30 years, nth pops

i didnt turn off anything and i get all the msgs for municiple airports. dun know y...

Kahara, i know, but everything would be different if it gets a proper upgrade.

btw, is there a manual way to upgrade my airports?

[tungston 19]

I don't see a reason for the lack of an upgrade option.

Are you using the Rush Hour/Deluxe version with the game update patch installed?

[Nomis 0]

yes i am

but im using the no cd crack as i have lost my cd when i moved last year

nomis

[Nomis 0]

i even re-plop the airport and still it wont help. is there anything i can do? is there a mod that allow me to manually upgrade the airport? thanks

Nomis

[SeeSpotSplat 0]

When you query the airport it should tell you how close to capacity it is. Maybe you can try zoning more commercial to get capacity over the top? It might just be that demand is at that point where it is about to upgrade but it doesn't have enough travelers yet.

[RippleJet 36]

Nomis, I'm sorry I'm late to this party... I was on vacation while this was discussed.

Originally posted by: tungston If you open an airport in iLives Reader, or SC4Tools, you will see a freight factor, but no passenger capacity.quote>

 

Not quite...

Airports have passenger capacities and seaports have freight capacities.

Neither of those are set in the port's building exemplar though.

They are always set in the corresponding developer exemplars (port controllers).

The passenger capacities for the in-game airports is however copied to the property Catalog Capacity in the building exemplar. Thus, if you open the Small International Airport in Reader, you can see that its passenger capacity is 287,400 (hex 0x000462A8).

The actual "usage" of the airports is exactly the same as the CO capacity in your city that has "access" (by road) to the airport. If that CO capacity is larger than your airport's capacity, then you will need a bigger airport (or an additional one) in order to provide enough airport capacity.

As you can see, the capacity and usage of your airport is only 218,280 (which is less than 287,400 and also less than your CO capacity of  ~300,000). The reason for the capacity not being as given in the airport controller, is that you are not funding your aiports 100%. Open the budget panel, and increase the airport funding with the slider to 100%. As long as your airport budget funding isn't 100%, you will NOT be offered the upgrade. With full funding, you'd be offered the upgrade as soon as the usage exceeds 95% of the airport's capacity.

The property "Freight Receiving Capacity" that you can see in the airport's building exemplar actually does nothing in the game. It has the same meaning as the "Catalog Capacity". It is there only for the purpose of providing those numbers for the item description, if needed.

Originally posted by: tungston airports are to commercial 

as

seaports are to industrialquote>

 

Yes, in the way that they provide CAP relieves.

Seaports provide CAP relief for industries, but that's based on the actual number of cargo loads (also reported as tonnes of freight) exported out of town. Cargo can be exported either by trucks or freight trains crossing the border, or by trucks entering a seaport. If you route query an industry, you can see how many cargo loads it generates, and which way they are exported out of town (to a port or to a border crossing).

Airports provide CAP relief for commerical offices, based on the actual usage of the airports (as reported by the query). That number is only the CO capacity in your city, that has road access to your airport(s). No passengers (and certainly no cargo) are going from any offices to any airports though.

Originally posted by: ewd76

Originally posted by: hawkpride147 well this issue should now be fixed. the AC team has released a new set of prefabricated airports that are self upgrading...at a couple of points, you have to add in the runway. but it takes care of the problem very well. there are 9 stages from grass airfield to major international hub airport. it can be found at sc4devotion and features RL airlines.quote>

Any chance you have a link? I logged in to SC4Devotion and can't find it.quote>

 

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