Copyright Infringement?

[TheLeftist 1]

 Has anyone noticed that Discovery Channel's "Man Vs. Wild" has been using a snippet from one of the music tracks you hear sometimes in the 'region view' mode of SimCity 4? 

They air it when the host, Bear Grylls gets into a dangerous situation.  -Sounds like copyright infringement to me.

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Thank you.

[masochist 111]

Yeah, it's "Terrain" that they use. I've noticed that, as well.

By the way, it's never a good idea to put your e-mail account in a post.

[ILL Tonkso 1,236]

They probably have it under licence.

And why do you want us to send you money?

[TEG24601 32]

Kind of like how in most TV shows you hear the same fire engine siren that we got in SC3K.

TEG

[TheLeftist 1]

Originally posted by: ILL Tonkso They probably have it under licence.

And why do you want us to send you money?quote>

"Probably"?  Hey, whatever...

I thought you guys'd have someone look into whether they did have the licensing...then if they didn't, you could sue them for copyright infringement, and pay me 1/3, since I was the whistle blower.  : D

[s_olah 87]

I do not believe that Discovery Channel would make such a "mistake"...

[panthersimcity4 162]

Originally posted by: TheLeftist

Originally posted by: ILL Tonkso They probably have it under licence.

And why do you want us to send you money?quote>

"Probably"?  Hey, whatever...

I thought you guys'd have someone look into whether they did have the licensing...then if they didn't, you could sue them for copyright infringement, and pay me 1/3, since I was the whistle blower.  : Dquote>

You're starting to give people ideas.

[AdmiralCrunch 11]

Could somebody link a YouTube video or something that shows this?

[TheLeftist 1]

Found some.  http://youtube.com/watch?v=4bwfi0OTnO8&feature=related

They really blended this into the background, and as such it's not as blatant as it has been in other episodes.  You can hear it between 3:38 and 4:00.  (I stopped watching at this point, as I was a good hour into watching footage--but there might be another occurrence later in the episode.)

[masochist 111]

I thought you guys'd have someone look into whether they did have the licensing...then if they didn't, you could sue them for copyright infringement, and pay me 1/3, since I was the whistle blower.  : Dquote>

Actually, it wouldn't be up to us to sue them, since we're just a fan site.  Jerry Martin composed the music for SimCity 4, so I would think that it'd be his decision whether to let other people use it (unless EA owns the rights to it, in which case it'd be EA's decision).  He's done work for commercials and stuff though, so I wouldn't be surprised if he let his work be used for the show.

[Rymac91 15]

(sarcasm)OMG! You pointed something out no one else has noticed before! I'm going to send all my money to you!(/sarcasm)

This topic has actually popped up a few times before, again with discovery and again with that sound, however it was the Docudrama "Supervolcano" that was the subject, not man vs. wild like this time. I'm assuming that the sound itself isn't copyrighted since it's not cut directly from the music of SC4. And it's being mixed in a different way in a different song. That's like suing a band because they have a 3 second segment in one of their sounds that sounds remarkably like it if you strip down just about everything else.

[Hanson784 165]

I've heard that music in the YouTube clip before Tomb Raider the movie which came out in before SC4 in 2001. I thought that music sounded familiar when I first heard it in the game. I'm sure The Discovery Channel licensed it for use.

Many times music is licensed for a number of different films and TV shows since its cheaper to buy music than to produce their own.

[david1314 44]

Well, the EA would have a difficult time showing damages, so copyright law almost certainly does not apply.

Also, you have no right to verify the licensing of proprietary material. Only the proprietor has the rights to examine the licensing and bring suit under the law.

So nope, it's not a copyright issue at all.

[hamsterTK 93]

what Hanson784 said is probably right

its like the muzak on the weather channel, somewhere some person makes a living composing instrumental music and then sells it to be used as background music

[krbe 193]

It is probably not even EA's music clip. Like most of the photos you see in papers are licensed by photo agencies supplying both stock and current events photos.

As TEG24601 said, the fire engine noise from SC3K can be heard everywhere on television. Also the snow sounds from Railroad Tycoon are frequently heard in programmes dealing with the Arctic/Antarctic or high mountains.

[TheLeftist 1]

Originally posted by: Rymac91 I'm assuming that the sound itself isn't copyrighted since it's not cut directly from the music of SC4.quote>

Way to "ass"ume.  You're like the fourth person to come to a conclusion based completely on your assumptions. 

And it's being mixed in a different way in a different song. That's like suing a band because they have a 3 second segment in one of their sounds that sounds remarkably like it if you strip down just about everything else.quote>

No...it isn't.   It's the integral intro, and outroduction to a five-and-a-half minute music piece.  And the snippet they use is like a full five seconds--It's a very specific sound.

(sarcasm)OMG! You pointed something out no one else has noticed before! I'm going to send all my money to you!(/sarcasm)quote>

 

Okay, Rymac...................okay...

[hamsterTK 93]

wow who cares it's either another mp3 from the same composer or maybe they probably own the license to it so they can do what they want.

[TheLeftist 1]

Originally posted by: hamsterTK wow who cares it's either another mp3 from the same composer or maybe they probably own the license to it so they can do what they want. quote>

Right.  Or- it is EA's [composer's] original score, and unauthorized parties are using snippets of it.

This discussion is never going to come to an end if people keep assuming shtuff.

[SockoJr53 51]

I've heard SimCity music in several places before, documentaries, movie trailers, ambient music in a few TV shows, this isn't the first time it has showed up. I really don't think theres some big copyright infringement conspiracy here. Considering the music has been used a few times, I'm sure the legalities of it are taken care of.

[nihonkaranws 88]

And what's the point of suing them? I mean, why can't we just mind our own business, and be nice for a change. That's all I ask. Think about it...

[masochist 111]

This discussion is never going to come to an end if people keep assuming shtuff.quote>

This discussion is never going to come to an end if you keep trying to exaggerate such a small issue.

If it bothers you this much that Man Vs. Wild uses a bit of region music from SimCity 4, take it up with EA as I suggested earlier, because they are the ones who might actually be able to do something about this...and most of us here don't really care.

[hawkpride147 1]

Originally posted by: TheLeftist

Originally posted by: hamsterTK wow who cares it's either another mp3 from the same composer or maybe they probably own the license to it so they can do what they want. quote>

Right.  Or- it is EA's [composer's] original score, and unauthorized parties are using snippets of it.

This discussion is never going to come to an end if people keep assuming shtuff.quote>

do you honestly believe an entity as large as discovery is stupid enough to put themselves in a place where they could be sued? they have plenty of excellent lawyers just like EA and other television stations and major corporations...their lawyers wouldn't allow them to be that stupid...

Originally posted by: TheLeftist

Originally posted by: Rymac91 I'm assuming that the sound itself isn't copyrighted since it's not cut directly from the music of SC4.quote>

Way to "ass"ume.  You're like the fourth person to come to a conclusion based completely on your assumptions. quote>

watch yourself dude...you're assuming just as much as rymac or anyone else is...

[Hamish 1,369]

Discovery channel is smarter than that. They would have know who wrote it and asked them to use it. That is, if it even is the exact same song.

[Glenni 1,444]

Sorry Theleftist, but this is just idiotic... surely you must have something better to waste your time on?

[paulvmontfort 616]

I heard some familiar simcity music in this show as well, but is was a different song as the one mentioned. I heard a song from Simcity 3000 unlimited. Can't remember its name though.

[JanYpe 17]

Oh my god, you mean a non-profit puppy petting organization like EA might have sold their old songs to a stock sounds company? Say it ain't so!

This topic is stupid.

[krbe 193]

Originally posted by: TheLeftist

Originally posted by: hamsterTK wow who cares it's either another mp3 from the same composer or maybe they probably own the license to it so they can do what they want. quote>

Right.  Or- it is EA's [composer's] original score, and unauthorized parties are using snippets of it.

This discussion is never going to come to an end if people keep assuming shtuff.quote>

And don't you assume that this bit is EA's? How can you know, unless you're affiliated with EA in some way? And if you were, wouldn't the Legal Department be the right place for you?

Originally posted by: JanYpe

This topic is stupid.quote>

Agreed.

[Ultimate_Waffle 0]

Welcome to the U.S.A! Where you can sue somebody just because they looked at you funny!

[krbe 193]

It is "stupider".

[david1314 44]

Originally posted by: Ultimate_Waffle

Why is it more stupid?quote>

Um it isn't... I misread your post, typed that post, and closed the window after rereading before it posted (or so I thought)...  I refreshed the page a few times and didn't see the post show up, so I assumed it was gone.  The time stamp shows about 15 mins after I went to bed last night....  *sigh*