ANOTHER shooting...

[maddogmark25 58]

At least two people are dead and several people are wounded after gunshots were fired inside a Wendy's restaurant in West Palm Beach, Fla., today.

The Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office tells ABC News that at least two people including the shooter are dead and that three people are in critical condition.

The gunman reportedly entered the fast food restaurant around 12:30 p.m. and opened fire before shooting himself.

Eyewintess Ashley Milton, 28, told The Associated Press said she had just opened the door to get lunch when she heard the "pop pop" of gunfire and saw people running. "I really didn't think that's what it was. I thought this can't be happening," she said. "You see your life flash before your eyes," she told the AP.

Sandra Jackson, 43, of Palm Springs, told AP she was across the street from the restaurant getting gas when the shooting started. "I just saw a lady with a little boy in her arms come running out screaming 'somebody's shooting,"' Jackson said.

A total of five people were shot, Palm Beach County Fire Rescue spokesman Steve Delai confirmed to ABC TV affiliate WPBF.

Several people were seen being carried away on stretchers and taken to hospitals.

A motive for the shooting is not known.

The Associated Press contributed to this story

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Sigh....cant get through a week with another one of these things happening...this is getting rediculous, that we cant go anywhere without the threat of being shot at because of idiot gunmen like this one...

Guns arent the issue, taking away guns wont help, its the abundance of ANTIDEPRESSANTS that cause people to do these things...why? Because when you take SSRI's (Prozac, Paxil, etc.), you become anxious, nervous, or sometimes just plain lose emotion. The UK already banned depressants for people under 18, why cant we do the same thing for people, say, under 21? I can take these pills that completely wreck lives, yet I cant go to the local pub for a drink? Sorry if I turned this into a political forum, but enough is enough...

[coolotter88 2]

he was upset because he found a finger in his chili.

[screamingman12 30]

  Hehehe

But really, what is it with people now?

[GingerBlokey 30]

Yeah.

Does this not tell you something about the need to ban guns.

[Duke87 1,070]

Originally posted by: maddogmark25 Guns arent the issue, taking away guns wont help, its the abundance of ANTIDEPRESSANTS that cause people to do these things...why? Because when you take SSRI's (Prozac, Paxil, etc.), you become anxious, nervous, or sometimes just plain lose emotion.quote>

Er... no. You've got it backwards SSRIs are known to treat anxiety and nervousness. That's why people say "go take some Prozac" when someone seems to be worrying too much. I can confirm this firsthand, ans I was for many years on Prozac and then Zoloft in order to treat my CD- and they were quite helpful. I didn't have as much trouble with rituals and compulsions since the anxiety associated with violating them was dampened.

Still, I can see how if misused the same drugs could cause you to, say, not get so nervous about the idea of committing murder. But that's why you need a prescription for them.

The UK already banned depressants for people under 18, why cant we do the same thing for people, say, under 21?quote>

Okay, wait a minute. Are we talking about depressants or antidepressants? You're contradicting yourself here.

I can take these pills that completely wreck lives, yet I cant go to the local pub for a drink? quote>

Prozac completely wrecking lives? Just what Prozac are you talking about? Because Prozac is a prescription drug used to help improve lives. There's no legislation regarding the age you need to be for it because it's a prescription drug, not an over the counter drug- so it's already controlled in that you can't get any without the approval of a doctor. There's no need for an age restriction since the doctor is, as a professional, trusted to use his proper judgment as to when it's safe and when it's warranted.

And believe me, I owe a lot to those SSRIs that I took from about ages 7-13. If I wasn't allowed to take them, I likely wouldn't be where I am today.

Besides, it's not like I just decided to grab the pills and start popping them- I needed a doctor's authorization and the proper dose and frequency were specified.

I daresay that someone with mental issues who's not taking any medication would be far more likely to do something like this than someone who is. Those drugs are helpful, not harmful. Where on earth are you getting the idea that they drive people to kill from? Because that's simply not true.

I do agree with you that guns aren't the issue, though. The issue is people with issues that aren't getting treated for them.

Originally posted by: GingerBlokey Yeah.

Does this not tell you something about the need to ban guns.

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How's this for a proposal: people from Europe stop telling America what they ought to do, and people from America will stop telling Europe what they ought to do. You do it your way, we'll do it our way. Deal?

[GingerBlokey 30]

Originally posted by: Duke87

I can take these pills that completely wreck lives, yet I cant go to the local pub for a drink? quote>

Prozac completely wrecking lives? Just what Prozac are you talking about?quote>

Indeed, I agree with your points on anti-depressants Duke.

Also you might be interested in the media storm brewing over here in the UK about prozac as a placebo. It made the front page of The Guardian a few days ago.

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On the Europe thing. I ain't telling you what to do but if marshamallows were being used to kill people you would want them banned. Don't you see the logic?

[patriots_1228 51]

Originally posted by: Duke87

Originally posted by: GingerBlokey Yeah.

Does this not tell you something about the need to ban guns.

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How's this for a proposal: people from Europe stop telling America what they ought to do, and people from America will stop telling Europe what they ought to do. You do it your way, we'll do it our way. Deal?quote>

 

Agreed.

Taking away guns would only make the situation worse. If a gun is a crime, then thats another crime these shooters are commiting.

And to them, the only thing that matters is more crimes=more media attention.

[ilikehotdogsalot 311]

Taking away guns would just make it worse. People would kill police guards so they would have access to guns. Banning them is not a solution.

[GingerBlokey 30]

Originally posted by: patriots_1228

Originally posted by: Duke87

Originally posted by: GingerBlokey Yeah.

Does this not tell you something about the need to ban guns.

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How's this for a proposal: people from Europe stop telling America what they ought to do, and people from America will stop telling Europe what they ought to do. You do it your way, we'll do it our way. Deal?quote>

 

Agreed.

Taking away guns would only make the situation worse. If a gun is a crime, then thats another crime these shooters are commiting.

And to them, the only thing that matters is more crimes=more media attention.quote>

Erm that's some twisted logic there.

How is taking away a gun going to make a shooting worse? And you may say that people will buy guns illegally and yes they will but not to such an extent. And if it is more crimes then surely posession of a firearm and murder would be rolled into one so why dont they go and steal something for more media attention.

No offence but I think your argument if flawed. Im sure you think mine is too.

[krbe 193]

Originally posted by: maddogmark25 Guns arent the issue, taking away guns wont help, its the abundance of ANTIDEPRESSANTS that cause people to do these things...why? Because when you take SSRI's (Prozac, Paxil, etc.), you become anxious, nervous, or sometimes just plain lose emotion. The UK already banned depressants for people under 18, why cant we do the same thing for people, say, under 21? I can take these pills that completely wreck lives, yet I cant go to the local pub for a drink? Sorry if I turned this into a political forum, but enough is enough...quote>

Antidepressants do the opposite. That's why they are prescribed. Just like ibuprofen and paracetamol stops headaches. But if you go over the dose, like some idiots do with Prozac, ibuprofen and paracetamol will give you headaches instead (both in the concret and abstract sense).

[screamingman12 30]

How about we just interpret the second ammendment as it was written, allowing the military to dispense weponry to soliders, and reducing the sale of firearms to the public.

[LarksTonguesInAspic 28]

Banning guns because of this makes as much sense as banning fast food restaurants because that's where the shooting happened. 

Jeez Louise! 

Ban Ban Ban Ban....

Why? Well, because...it works so well on the drug problem. And Prohibition was such a smashing success, too!

Killing infants is banned, has it stopped one infant murder?

 

More knee-jerk reactionary blather without any understanding of US law or human nature. 

Banning guns is not a Federal option. The gov't has no Constitutional right to do it. Period. The states could try, but it would inevitably fail.

And you have many, MANY, people who absolutely will not give them up. Like me. 

How far do the anti-gun Europeans here think it should go? Nazi and Bolshevik-style house to house searches? Informants on every corner? Oh, that's right, you already have that. It's called 'video surveillance'.

It seems some here are just intoxicated with the idea that Gov't power cures all ills. It's BS.

[The Boy 0]

Hello, this is my first post, I've been around the forum quite a bit, I'd like to tell you all something. I live close to where this has happened. A Palm Beach Fire Dept LT was killed due to a rampid gunman's problem. I am completely sick that this has happened. It does not say we need more gun control, it means we need more protection. I am at awe of how ignorant these remarks from you people have been. ilikehotdogs is completely right, there is also a ton of ways to get illegal guns, if you wanna ban guns from the people who would prevent these kind of things from happening then you go ahead and do so.. if a gunman walks in willingly trying to kill people, but someone in there, could be a guy with his family or what have you, is just sitting there having lunch, or in line getting lunch, not killing anyone, not causing harm, just getting food for himself and whoever is with him. If say someone is in there a person like I just described, and has a license didn't buy his gun ILLEGALLY  or whatever  and he shoots the gunman before the gunman kills anyone, which in this case, a very honorable member of society was killed. A FD LT. in general, a FIREFIGHTER. I've got expirence with ANTI-Depressants and I've got no clue why the heck you people are talking about them... in this situation at least. People from the UK, I've got nothing against the UK I think its a fine country, along with most other countries that have people on this forum. I my self am an American. I think the UK is a great place, as I've said like the other countries that have people on this forum, but you all have to realize (including the Americans on this forum) the UK society and other's work a lot different than you think think compared to ours. If you know, the UK has a significant violent crimes rate. They took away guns and most people don't have them, now they've got people brutally stabbing others to death with a screwdriver or something like that. Please, take my whole post into consideration next time you go around and should gun control and if you've got questions about ANTI-Depressants, I have taken them too.

[krbe 193]

Originally posted by: manticorefan How far do the anti-gun Europeans here think it should go? Nazi and Bolshevik-style house to house searches? Informants on every corner? Oh, that's right, you already have that. It's called 'video surveillance'.

It seems some here are just intoxicated with the idea that Gov't power cures all ills. It's BS.

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Well, house searches Nazi style was over in 1945 (though maybe not in Germany, as that was when the occupation started there); and informants are quite uncommon (not like in the US). And remember, there are lot of European countries where guns are prevalent (Norway, Finland, Switzerland) and in many countries the only requirement to own a gun is membership in a shooting club, or to be a part of a well regulated militia. Also note that we're quite fond of the type of weapon that you can't take with you to a university campus or fast food restaurant without being noticed.

[Palpatine001 57]

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And here is another one for you

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10495971

So then, I'll leave the Americans to it

[LarksTonguesInAspic 28]

Oh, c'mon Palpatine. One story does not an argument make! I'm sure our Aussie friends would be pissed off if I used that anti-Muslim violence a few years back as 'proof' that Aussies are intolerant.

[Meg 368]

Originally posted by: Palpatine001

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The repetition is getting to be a bit much.  So I have created The Official Second Amendment / Gun Ban Thread.

[Dodge44 2]

Originally posted by: GingerBlokey Yeah.

Does this not tell you something about the need to ban guns.

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If we were to ban guns tomorrow there would be illegal sales of more powerful firearms in every lace w:st="on">U.S.lace> city the very next day. Ban our guns? NEVER! >>

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We as Americans can walk down the street without a care in the world. If we are hiding something in our pocket the government cannot search us with out probable cause or reasonable suspicion. The same goes for a gun dealer with a trunk full of automatic weapons driving down the street. If somebody really wants a weapon that bad trust me they will get one.>>

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Take Prohibition in the 20’s for example. Remember the crime wave of that era? And do you  remember who got rich from it?

[Jasoncw 11,941]

I thought this was another school shooting.

There must be a 100 murder victims a day in the US. It's a sad story, but this isn't uncommon enough for "ANOTHER" in all caps.

[edmonton_stinks 5]

The fact that we're talking about "another" mass murder is pretty appalling. These seem to get more and more frequent.

[maddogmark25 58]

sorry, I kinda got it backwards, thanks for the info people, although I still feel that these SSRI's certainly arent doing anything to help the problem...is it any coincidence that all of these shootings are done by kids on some sort of medication? doctors are giving out these meds like they are candy, and it really needs to be toned down a bit...

and banning guns wont help, either

[____----____ 37]

that's the way we roll.

[Jasoncw 11,941]

This isn't a mass murder, and this isn't anything new, it's been going on multiple times a day every single day for decades.

I checked the FBI website, and there were over 15,000 murders in the US in 2006, which turns out to be about 40 murders a day.  This story is only 2 of those murders for that day.

About 13 more people have been murdered in the US from when this thread was started to when I'm making this post now.

[sakarr 1]

and they still think EVERYONE should have guns

ahaha

[paperboy15 4]

Huh? ANOTHER shooting? That's said as if this is an uncommon event!

Originally posted by: sakarr and they still think EVERYONE should have guns

ahahaquote>

You don't need a gun to murder, good man.

[sixers33 3]

This is seriously sad...

[sakarr 1]

Originally posted by: paperboy15 Huh? ANOTHER shooting? That's said as if this is an uncommon event!

Originally posted by: sakarr and they still think EVERYONE should have guns

ahahaquote>

You don't need a gun to murder, good man. quote>

 

yes yes. good point you make. though i could go around and murder people with a book or a tv remote, a gun would make it alot easier. XD

[Simfan34 11]

Originally posted by: Jasoncw This isn't a mass murder, and this isn't anything new, it's been going on multiple times a day every single day for decades.

I checked the FBI website, and there were over 15,000 murders in the US in 2006, which turns out to be about 40 murders a day.  This story is only 2 of those murders for that day.

About 13 more people have been murdered in the US from when this thread was started to when I'm making this post now.quote>

The rate's much worse in South Africa though...

[TRNSTN 0]

Originally posted by: sakarr

Originally posted by: paperboy15 Huh? ANOTHER shooting? That's said as if this is an uncommon event!

Originally posted by: sakarr and they still think EVERYONE should have guns

ahahaquote>

You don't need a gun to murder, good man. quote>

 

yes yes. good point you make. though i could go around and murder people with a book or a tv remote, a gun would make it alot easier. XDquote>

 

Obviously there's a corelation between, gun abundance, education and racial divide. Look across the border (north) and you'll see what no guns, decent education and multiculturalism can accomplish.

If you are going to have guns in the States at least give the shooters some lesson, so they kill who they're trying to kill. Honestly, there was a recent shooting in Toronto where an innocent bystander was killed by some gangster who can't aim. It would be great of gang warfare would actually work like it's suppose to; let the gangs kill themselves so we can be rid of them. How many cases have there been that gangs try to kill each other and end up killing everyone else around them.

Guns arent the issue, taking away guns wont help, its the abundance of ANTIDEPRESSANTS that cause people to do these things...why? Because when you take SSRI's (Prozac, Paxil, etc.), you become anxious, nervous, or sometimes just plain lose emotion. The UK already banned depressants for people under 18, why cant we do the same thing for people, say, under 21? I can take these pills that completely wreck lives, yet I cant go to the local pub for a drink? Sorry if I turned this into a political forum, but enough is enough...quote>

 

Guns are an issue, but a seperate one from drugs and other random chemical (*****isinthis) kind of drugs. It's jsut that when these two issues collied you get this kind of thing happening alot more. Western medicine depends heavily on synthetic and chemical based medications. I'm against taht kind of thing, I believe in Eastern medicine and its philosophy, heal from the source of the problem not just pathcowrk bandaid solutions attacking single symptoms. Depression stems from alot of things not just some chemical recation in the brain, that has to be realized.

The rate's much worse in South Africa though... quote>

The United States of America is not South Africa. America is the wealthiest nation on Earth yet it still has a high rate of gun crime. America is supposed to be more civilized and socially advanced. It's standing in the world is supposedly so high, where is South Africa? You can't compare the two. How about we worry about America's problems and not worry about other countries. Your problems are bad enough, you don't need to be looking across the ocean at someone else's worse problems thinking you're better off.

[your_adress_here 11]

You guys need to ban guns, eh.