PS3, Xbox 360 or Revolution?

[Dolfan348488 0]

Date: 5/30/2005 2:26:38 AM
Author: The boy formerly known as Evil Muzz

Date: 5/29/2005 11:11:12 PM Author: King_SMO

@Muzz    First, how can a low income family expect to pay 300 houndred dollars for the system up front, then 40+ per game? is your idea of wide range of people young children or immature adults still clinging to old Nintendo characters to reflect on thier youth? And the PS3 will not be that much if any more expensive than the XBOX 360 or the Revolution, so not just rich people can afford them ( middle class people like me can also ).

@mayor of tempest lake    Yes Sony is very unreliable, but have you boughten ANYTHING by Microsoft lately? Microsoft has actually overtaken Sony as the most money hungry tech company. Just becuase of the succes of halo (which isn't even an Xbox exclusive ) they are suddenly forgetting the hard-core gamers and are going to try to get more rich kids who play halo just to be called 'gamers' as thier majority, major letdown.

@ Brownie    While IGN is a reliable source, it is the ONLY source ive found that says 360 is even remotly more powerful than the PS3.

    It really doesn't matter to me which system is more powerful (even though PS3 is the most ) it is all about the games, not just liscences ( which the Nintendo company is based on ). I personally might get both the PS3 and the XBOX 360 if i get enough money working over the summer, or i even might stoop so low to get the Revoultion only time will tell. As of now i cant decide (though i hate Nintendo ).

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The big N's consoles will get more expensive understandably, but in the past, Gamecubes have been only just over

[+Guest]

i voted ps3, and this is how i feel: sony will always be the best for consoles, nintendo will always be the best for hand held gaming, and microsoft should forget about everything

[Brownie 0]

Date: 5/31/2005 9:21:09 AM
Author: tc13
i voted ps3, and this is how i feel: sony will always be the best for consoles, nintendo will always be the best for hand held gaming, and microsoft should forget about everything

quote>Forget about Everything, except for how powerful it is as a corporation??

[The boy formerly known as Evil Muzz 27]

Date: 5/31/2005 8:39:59 AM Author: Dolfan348488

Date: 5/30/2005 2:26:38 AM Author: The boy formerly known as Evil Muzz

Date: 5/29/2005 11:11:12 PM Author: King_SMO

@Muzz    First, how can a low income family expect to pay 300 houndred dollars for the system up front, then 40+ per game? is your idea of wide range of people young children or immature adults still clinging to old Nintendo characters to reflect on thier youth? And the PS3 will not be that much if any more expensive than the XBOX 360 or the Revolution, so not just rich people can afford them ( middle class people like me can also ).

@mayor of tempest lake    Yes Sony is very unreliable, but have you boughten ANYTHING by Microsoft lately? Microsoft has actually overtaken Sony as the most money hungry tech company. Just becuase of the succes of halo (which isn't even an Xbox exclusive ) they are suddenly forgetting the hard-core gamers and are going to try to get more rich kids who play halo just to be called 'gamers' as thier majority, major letdown.

@ Brownie    While IGN is a reliable source, it is the ONLY source ive found that says 360 is even remotly more powerful than the PS3.

    It really doesn't matter to me which system is more powerful (even though PS3 is the most ) it is all about the games, not just liscences ( which the Nintendo company is based on ). I personally might get both the PS3 and the XBOX 360 if i get enough money working over the summer, or i even might stoop so low to get the Revoultion only time will tell. As of now i cant decide (though i hate Nintendo ).

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The big N's consoles will get more expensive understandably, but in the past, Gamecubes have been only just over

[your_adress_here 11]

I heard rumors that the 360 wiill have 2 types of Live's:

1. Free to play, but only on week-ends.

2. Pay and play whenever.

[King_SMO 4]

what question?

In the poll so far the PS3 is winning at 17, then XBOX at 12, with Nintendo in last with 11. I counted these by how many people will buy this system all together, not just individualy. Individualy, it is how it should be, PS3, then Revoultion, then XBOX

 

I think the numbers are a good estimate of future sales...

[EAGCE 2]

Until everyone finds out the Revolution and its real specs.....

[King_SMO 4]

just have to wait now dont we...

we also have to quit ending all our post with ....

[EAGCE 2]

Date: 6/1/2005 11:54:31 AM
Author: King_SMO

just have to wait now dont we...

we also have to quit ending all our post with '...'.

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I didn't even notice that...

[your_adress_here 11]

Me neither...

[hello_SC4 1]

Brownie, that article you posted from IGN, read carefully, that is MICROSOFT's comparison. There is no way Xbox would have lost! Talk about unbiased, eh?! I'm believing that as much as I'll believe Sony's comparison if they post it..

[udriveitmissionsrock 2]

I voted for the Xbox 360 (shoulda been called X²) because Sony is going to get out of the console business and then it will be a fight between Microsoft and Nintendo (like we don't know who will win that battle).

Muzz said that everything that we love about the playstation was first used by Nintendo.  I am not trying to sound mad or anything, but everything that Nintendo has made has been so radically improved upon that it would qualify for its own patent.  The thumbstick was way to sensitive, and hence, it took forever to be able to steer anything with your thumb.  I don't remember much about the force feedback except that it was pretty weak.  If anything that Nintendo system had been truly revolutionary, Nintendo wouldn't have given every system a radically different name.  There is an Electronics Boutique store where I live, and I have known every manager since the Xbox launched in 2001.  I ask them frequently about what the fastest selling games are, and they are never for the GameCube.  The GC is always the slowest selling of all the games.  If you look at the market share, then you will find that Nintendo has 15%, Xbox has 17%, and Sony has the rest.  Anyone that thinks that I am making those numbers up can find them in the May 23, 2005 edition of TIME Magazine.

 

The 360 is going to support HD-DVD, so the discs will have storage size comparable to the PS3's discs.  Besides, the lastest version of Unreal Tournament requires 5 GB of hard drive space, so the total size of the game when you load it off the discs is less than that.  An uncompressed copy of Unreal would fit on an HD-DVD disc.  The 360 also supports high-def video, like the PS3.  The Revolution, as far as we know, doesn't support any type of high-def video.  You can stack small stuff on the 360 and PS3, but you can't stack anything on the Revolution.

 

Regardless of what has been said about hardware not being important, the hardware specs are super-critical.  And yet again, the Revolution falls on its face.  I will explain why the hardware is critical.  If you have a pathetic machine, how many good games are you going to be able to run?  I hate to disappoint EAGCE, people gave up mario a long time ago.  Nintendo has made Mario Partys 1-6, Mario Kart Double Dash, Paper Mario, Mario Tennis, Super Mario 1-3, Super Smash Brothers, Lugie's Mansion, and who knows how many Wario and Walugie games.  That is a pretty long list.  Heck, Nintendo has milked Mario more than EA milked the original Sims.  There's probably been more Mario titles than James Bond movies.

 

Finally, I'll admit that the PS3 is most likely going to be a lot better than the 360 will be (reserving final judgment until the PS3 hits shelves).  But Halo 3 is slated to hit the shelves when the PS3 launches, and that could steal some of the PS3's opening thunder.  If I had the money, I would buy a 360 and a PS3, but the Revolution is a waste of money.  Nintendo is being tight-lipped just like Apple and for the same reason.  We all know that Apple is not considered to be a real contender for Microsoft (no offense Apple fans, that's just the way it is).  Nintendo is running scared of Microsoft because Microsoft is big, rich, powerful, and the official backing of the majority of the world's population.  Microsoft loses scads of money on every Xbox sold, but they can afford to do that.  Sony has officially said that the reason that they are getting out of the console business is because they are making less than 1% profit on every PS2 sold.  The competition (read Microsoft) has forced them to cut prices to the point where it is more profitable to make games for the Xbox than to make the Playstation line.  (That's right PS fans, some of Sony's top programmers, like the ones that worked on EverQuest, have talked about leaving the company and programming for the Xbox line).  We all know that Sony and Microsoft have some of the best programmers in the world at their disposal.  That leaves Nintendo out in the cold when it comes to the programming talent.  Factor in that Microsoft has better programmers than Nintendo, a better console, they can force Nintendo to lose money on the Revolution, Sony is getting out of the business, and some of Sony's top talent may start working for Microsoft; and Nintendo is doomed.

 

Microsoft also has Bungie Studios, and the one thing that Bugnie is known for outside of Halo is their incredible awesome story lines.  They have literally had dozens of game companies come to them to design the story line for whatever game that company was working on.

 

Many years ago, everyone wanted an Atari.  The opinion of the day was that Atari had the market all sowed up and that they would be the king forever.  Anybody heard anything other than rumors from them lately?  For over 6,000 years, the world has watched empires rise and fall.  The console business is an empire also and this is how it has played out: Atari was the king for a while; Sega usurped the throne from them; Nintendo warred with Sega, conquered the realm, and sat on the throne.  All looked good for Nintendo until Sony stirred up a revolt that forced Nintendo to abdicate the throne.  Sony intercepted intel that told them that Microsoft was planning to assassinate them, and hence they decided to flee the realm, leaving Microsoft to fill the power vacuum.  I feel that the Xbox is going to be like the Roman Empire--last forever and then come to an inglorious end.  Time will tell, but I am going to dust off my bugle and prepare to play Taps at Nintendo's upcoming funeral.

 

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[Dolfan348488 0]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Xbox discs dont hold anywhere near the amount that the Sony Blu-Ray discs do.

[Captain_Heath 18]

I would just like to note in reference to earlier posts about the PS3 that people are essentially saying The PS3 is better because it is more powerful

Ok, let's go back a couple years, hell, last month. Was it not PS3 users saying It is the quality of a game that makes it good, not the graphics when the Xbox was more powerful than the PS2? Funny how poeple change their views as soon as the tables turn in their favor.

That aside, here is the way I see things (from my point of view) The X360 has my vote b/c I like it's controller best, I like the titles lined up, and it comes out sooner and is likely to be cheaper. I loved what I saw from the PS3 at E3, only problem was that most of it was prerendered. Killzone 2? A great concept, but I doubt it'll be fully executed. I also didnt much care for the controller, I like to have analog sticks as primary control, not a d-pad. If I want to try it [the ps3] in the future, I am sure one of my friends will get it and I can just let them borrow my 360 while I borrow their PS3. Revolution. I like the idea of full backwards compatibility, but they didnt show much else.

[udriveitmissionsrock 2]

Date: 6/1/2005 6:53:28 PM Author: Dolfan348488 Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Xbox discs dont hold anywhere near the amount that the Sony Blu-Ray discs do.

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The capacity may not be the same, but it will be similar when they start to use HD-DVD discs and quit using the DVD-9 discs that you are thinking of.

 

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[EAGCE 2]

Where did you get anything about Sony getting out of the console business????? That's a total lie. Why would they make the PS3 if they were getting out of the console business?

And only you have given up on Mario. Mario is awesome! I can't wait for Revolution just so I can play the original Mario games!

[LightWarriorK 4]

This is all getting very silly...  I'm all for Revolution, but even I have realized that NO ONE knows enough about ANY of these systems to be too high and mighty about them.  All we can do is showcase what we know.  Once the systems are out, and we can acutally compare them, then we can debate with all truth.  Chill kids, we'll all know soon enough.

 

*LightWarriorK enters Zen state, sets alarm for Late 2006*

 

Date: 6/1/2005 9:35:15 PM Author: EAGCE Where did you get anything about Sony getting out of the console business?????  That's a total lie.  Why would they make the PS3 if they were getting out of the console business? And only you have given up on Mario.  Mario is awesome!  I can't wait for Revolution just so I can play the original Mario games!

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It's not the same, but check out www.vimm.net , and get all you want.  For the NES, I recommend the FCEUltra, and the SNES I recommend the ZNES. PM if ya got questions.... it helps pass the time until Revolution.

[The_Dalai_Llama 15]

Throw another Nintendo junkie on the pile.

While I did give up on consoles completely after the N64, although my brother has his PS2 and I did test drive it for a while, the backwards compatibility is enough for me to buy the Rev.  Plus, I lived with Nintendos' exclusive titles like Mario, Zelda, and Metroid for most of my life.  A fun gaming experience triumphs over graphics anyday and that's why I'm planning on buying the Revolution.  Besides, the Revolution's graphics are going to be pretty great.

About this whole Sony vs. Microsoft vs. Nintendo deal, Sony and Microsoft have other products to fall back on.  Sony is a leading electronics manufacturer, from TVs and DVD players to camcorders and PCs.  I almost exclusively buy Sony products for their quality.  Yes, the PS3 is supposed to be an all-in-one machine, but it's not going to replace your PC or DVD player anytime soon, if ever.  Microsoft is the largest PC software company in the world and don't really need the XBox.  Nintendo is exclusively a gaming company.  Nintendo dies if they keep losing the console wars, just like Sega post-Dreamcast, however Nintendo's fanbase is very loyal, almost reaching cult status.  Predicting Nintendo's death is too premature at this point.  Judging from the group here, there are lots of die-hard Nintendo fans that would never switch consoles because one has better graphics or one has Bluetooth technology.

You could have the most powerful machine in the world, but if the games are awful, you've got nothing.  Like I said, the Rev's backwards compatibility is enough for me.  Personally, I enjoy playing all the classic NES and SNES games more than the newest games out there now.  I'll pay big bucks to relive that.

[hello_SC4 1]

Date: 6/1/2005 8:34:34 PM Author: Captain_Heath I would just like to note in reference to earlier posts about the PS3 that people are essentially saying 'The PS3 is better because it is more powerful' Ok, let's go back a couple years, hell, last month. Was it not PS3 users saying 'It is the quality of a game that makes it good, not the graphics' when the Xbox was more powerful than the PS2? Funny how poeple change their views as soon as the tables turn in their favor.

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I noted the exact same thing about Xbox fans, just vice-versa! Heh, the ultimate proof that we're the same species no matter how divided we may be.

[villarule 2]

i'd be most likely to get the PS3, but i doubt i'll be getting a console

[King_SMO 4]

I have never heard of SONY going out of the game business, and why would they? if they are making less than 1 percent on the consoles bought, why not just send the manufactoring jobs to china. IF they were going out of business i would switch to Microsoft for my console fix, but i highly dioght the they go out anytime soon just after the anouncment of the powerful console to date.

[Dolfan348488 0]

Sony getting out of the console business is the most absurd thing ive ever heard....

[Zelgadis 638]

It all boils down to two things for me.

1) As long as SquareEnix maintains a near-exclusive agreement with Sony, I will have a PS3. There is no point in having a console that won't play Star Ocean, Final Fantasy, and their other wonderful games.

2) This home is a no-Microsoft zone and will stay that way. I just don't understand the point of Xbox anyway. Are there any decent games that are exclusive to Xbox besides Halo?

Sony (and Nintendo to an extent) gets it right. Processor power and specs are important, but game quality trumps all. And Sony is the leader. It certainly doesn't hurt that Sony has the most intuitive controller by far either.

Anyway, if power was most important, I wouldn't be playing my Atari 2600, Atari 800, NES, or SNES games anymore. That said, anyone for a game of River Raid?

ISF

[udriveitmissionsrock 2]

Date: 6/3/2005 12:17:05 AM Author: Dolfan348488 Sony getting out of the console business is the most absurd thing ive ever heard....

I found the article that I heard that Sony was getting out of the console business.  The only problem is that like everyone else, they make you pay to read the whole article and the portion that they included did was not the part of the interview where Sony's COO of the online entertainment department said that the PS3 was the end.  If I ever find out where I saved the paper version of the article, then I will scan it and give you a link to where I uploaded it.  That said, here's the link .

 

Dolfan--I have an article written by GameSpy that I will upload to my yahoo briefcase in a couple of days that says that all the games that the Xbox 360 will run have to support the HD-DVD codec.  Although the 360 will not have HD-DVD discs when it launches, not even Microsoft is stupid enough to require game developers to support something that it will never use.  That would be like giving a car wings even though cars couldn't generate enough thrust to fly.

 

Sony is getting out of the console business for the same reason that Microsoft makes OSs--the money isn't in the hardware, it's in the software.  Moving all of the manufacturing jobs to China would save enough money.  Flextronics, the company that makes the Xboxs has all of their manufacturing in China and Microsoft still loses money.

 

Sony is making the PS3 even though they are getting out of the market because

• they were alreadly planning the PS3 long before they started to lose all the profits in the PS2
• they know that they will scads of the PS3s because it is going to be the last one and all of the PS diehards will want one
• they want to go out with a bang

Think of it this way.  You are an all-star quarterback in his last season.  What could possibly be better than to go to the Super Bowl and win the game by dropping a 40 yard bomb into double coverage in the end zone to win the game  in OT.  Now, if you ask me, that would be one hell of a way to go.  Why else would they build a console that is so radically more powerful than what Microsoft is making?  The industry analysts are expecting the PS3 to cost more to build and buy than the 360, and I can see why.  From the specs that I have heard, the PS3 will cost several hundred dollars for the parts, not including labor costs and any profit.

Another thing that would seem to say that Sony is leaving the console market is the PSP.  We all know that Nintendo is the reigning king of portable gaming and the GBA is the only thing that would prevent them from going the way of Sega.  Sony didn't even think of moving into the portable market until after the Xbox hit the shelves.  When Sony started to lose money on the PS2, they went looking for more profitable gaming avenues.  The search told them that the best ways to make more money in games is to ditch the PS line and focus on games and the portable market.  Ya see, Sony was born to make hardware.  Its their roots and they can't stand the idea of leaving it behind.  So when they looked for the greener pastures in the hardware market, they found the GBA and the fat wad of cash that it was making Nintendo.  With the PSP taking all of the GBA's market share away, and Microsoft having a monetary war chest big enough to force Nintendo to lose money on the Revolution; Nintendo is a goner.  Hence, the reason why I said in my first post that I was going to dust off my bugle and start playing Taps for Nintendo.

Note for muzz, EAGCE, and Dalai

I used to love Nintendo.  I wanted an N64 as badly as anyone else.  However, when the PS hit the market, I switched sides.  When the PS2 hit the market, I was a diehard Sony fan.  I remember standing in a SamGoody store playing ATV Off-Road Fury and seeing a sign that said Xbox--Coming in November.  I thought to myself What the heck is the Xbox?  But when the Xbox hit the stores, I became an Xbox fan.  Why all the side switching.  I followed the most powerful console on the market.  I said that in my first post I voted for the 360.  The only reason why I would get a 360 is because Halo is an Xbox exclusive title.  If Halo ran on the PS3, I would get one and not even bother with the 360.  If I had the money, I would get a 360 and then a PS3 because the PS3 is hands-down more powerful than the 360 is.  A couple years ago, I wanted to get a GBA; but now that the PSP is out, I would get a PSP.  Nintendo's primary problem is that the diehard fan club doesn't make them enough money, and the number of people like me who would change party affliations in a heart beat is too large.  IF Nintendo ever got its act together and quit marketing to little kids AND made the best console out there, I would switch back to Nintendo.  But I don't ever see that happening.

Zelgadis--I agree that the story line is important for a game, but without good graphics, the game is one step away from going to hell in a handbasket.  That is where the power of the cosole factors into its success.  Pathetic guts means pathetic graphics.  IMO, Sony currently has more games with good story lines than the Xbox, and I expect them to retain that title for quite a while.  But not everyone is into games with story lines.  People who play mostly sports games or racing games are in it for the graphics and whatever else, but not a story line.  In all of the NEW games that Nintendo has made (not the games like Zelda that trace back to who knows when) you can count all the ones with good story lines on one hand, that doesn't seem like the recipe for success to me.

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[The Evil Octopus Man 25]

Date: 6/1/2005 5:41:24 PM
Author: udriveitmissionsrock
You can stack small stuff on the 360 and PS3, but you can't stack anything on the Revolution.

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Not really. The 360 curves inward, and the ps3 curves at the top. And I sure hope stacking doesn't influence someone's decision of which console they're going to buy.

[EAGCE 2]

Why would anyone stack stuff on top anyway????

The only thing I would even think about putting on it would be game cases/memory cards.

[udriveitmissionsrock 2]

I wouldn't stack anything on top of my console either, but the primary reason why the Xbox flunked in Japan is because the space-conscious Japanese wanted the thing to stand on its side.  And to the Japanese who like to stack everything on top of everything else, that would be a plus.  I won't argue the point about being able to stack anything on top of the 360, since all I am basing that statement on is pictures I have seen.  It looked pretty flat-topped to me, but I could be wrong on that point.

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[Zelgadis 638]

Hmmm... I've no doubt that perhaps part of the reason Xbox flunked in Japan was a space problem.

However, I was a teacher in Japan at the time it was introduced there, and the primary complaint about it was that there were very few games of interest to them available on it. The Xbox was built by Americans for the American market. And the kinds of games available on it are just not the kinds of games that the Japanese are generally interested in.

That was what I heard most of all. Space is an issue in Japan, but it's not that critical.

ISF

[Stumpy123 0]

In my opinion, Nintendo still makes the best games. The major series they have used (Mario, Zelda, and my favorite, Metroid) are what I have grown up with. And to this day, I still find them to be the best thought out and most addictive.

But everyone has different opinions, and if there is one thing I have noticed recently is how hardcore and numerous the fans of the car/racing, sports, and Japanese animation genres are. Sony is #1 right now because it appeals to these 3 large groups with its heaps of titles for each.

This breeds a problem however: games become repetitive...

*Warning!!!: next paragraph is a bit of a rant...*

Anymore, its all about graphics and sound effects, so companies make the exact same games they have been. Originality dies in the shadow of let's keep feeding the people the exact same thing in a fancy new wrapper, so we don't have to think of something new.

*end rant*

That said, however, graphics are still important, to a degree. All systems should take full advantage of the technology available to them, but this should serve to supplement innovative and original games.

Again, the games more of make the console, not the machine. Nintendo fails to take good advantage of decent hardware, but makes up for it by making improvements on the series that have served them so well in the past. Sony is on the other end, going almost overkill on the hardware, but tends to stick to the same three game types mentioned above. Microsoft is somewhere in between, more on the Sony side.

Don't get me wrong, all three have their advantages, but I have my beefs with them too. Sony needs variety, and in my opinion a more ergonomic controller (it may be me, but I find the thing uncomfortable to use, especially the analog sticks...). Microsoft needs to stop relying almost entirely on Halo and Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. And Nintendo needs to get off its can and make some better hardware to back up their games.

Thanks for reading my looooooong post. As a reward, have a ducky.

[TeKKeNForever606 0]

Bungie Software is known for it's storylines, what a joke. How many games do they have under their belt, a handful of the same space shooter bullsh*t. Marathon and Halo, same crappy themes, different platforms. I really think Japanese support will be the critical issue with the next round of consoles, and until Microsoft shows us some real support at the end of the Xbox's product cycle and early on with the 360, no one is going to believe their 'Japanese support is coming' hype. Namco, Capcom, Konami, the list goes on for Sony. And you can't count out the PSP. Connectivity will emerge as a feature wanted by many players and by the PS3 launch we may be in store for a serious price drop. Sure, Xbox live is great but online gaming has yet to emerge as the focus of console gaming unless you like shooters and sports games. Sony dropping out of the console market is just speculation and honestly with control over so much market share, do you really think that is going to happen? The PS2s product cycle has been around 5 years, and expect the PS3s to be around the same. I'm sure as long as the software profits stay in place Sony will be unwilling to simply leave the market. You can talk about upcoming titles, hardware, and specs all you want but this industry is all about boardrooms, financial numbers and shareholders. Really, 4 years after the Xbox launch Microsoft will release it's replacement. If you really think developers are going to continue to support the Xbox well into 2006 you are crazy, it's a known fact that most of the releases for the PS1 after 2000 were sports games, or Japanese titles developed for Japan, translated for US releases and the Xbox is very slim in the Japanese title department. Besides, so far the 'exclusive' titles for Xbox that many fanboys (and girls) like to defend many arguments with eventually end up on PC and it looks like the Xbox 360 is just another DirectX engine, so what's going to stop the publishers from cashing in on inexpensive ports to attract the real hardcore gaming segment? Just like Xbox and PC owners patiently await the arrival of Grand Theft Auto for their platforms, non-Xbox PC Gamers wait for games like Knights of the Old Republic and Halo to eventually end up on the store shelves. Besides, Kratos could kick Master Chief's sorry ass anyday. PS3 all the way.