Save Simtropolis on Wikipedia!

[Simfan34 11]

Here is the article I was talking about! 

[Spartan968 0]

We did it!!! The article has been saved!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simtropolis

[LivingInThePast 364]

No, I said I was TLU. The result was my threatening of getting banned over at Wikipedia and here. I added back the AFD as leaving it like that might make things worse.

[Fredrick Day 0]

Originally posted by: LivingInThePast Thanks to me putting my name, I might get suspended from Wikipedia! Arrgh!quote>

You will not be suspended - see here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#ILIKEIT_votes.2C_Simtropolis

[Haljackey 17,385]

Originally posted by: Mikeaut1 Posts that have been inflammatory have been removed by me.

This is just a general warning to everyone participating.

Thanks!quote>

No, Thank you!  This discussion needs to be progressive if we are to succeed with keeping the article on Wikipedia.  Lets keep this thread constructive, not destructive

Excellent point! We may give Wikipedia the wrong idea about this website and how friendly our people are, and that would work against us.

Mike

[Salbador 0]

As they comming up to the 7th furlong ,it 6underground making all the running, shadow Prophet Jan hype making ground Oh ! Jan, Jan Hype fell ,fell at the last fence , Tonsko , salbador ,sinfan 34.

All safley over the last fence , its underground, Shadow prophet  , Whats this Oh ! No!  tonsko pulls up,(starts to munch butter cups) , the Links Chase Cup is certainly over for this stallion , Salbador making ground, Simfan 34 .

Its a 3 horse race as they turn into the last bend ,

Into the home straight its, Underground , Shadow prophet , Salbador making ground .

Underground , Shadow prophet starts to slow, Salbador making ground,

As they approaching the line its neck and neck , UnderGround , Salbador, Shadow prophet loosing ground. Haw  the crowd are going wild

Its neck and neck as they cross they line , this as goto be a photo finish .

Commentor :Well Fred that was one hell of a race

After a stewards enquiry and photo finish , Salbador has been given the desicion by a nose.Underground was disqualified for over use of the whip .

Well thats all we got time for and thanks for jioning us at aintree  Aug 2007 Links Chase Cup

Just a bit of fun , hope nooone takes it seriously..

[JCarter 0]

The page doesnt have any [reliable] sources, if you're that upset, then go add them...if you cant find any, then its not that notable...simple. Wikipedia is not gonna keep a page just because fans want it, they keep it because it contributes the the general goal of Wikipedia.

If you all want that page so bad, why dont you figure out what needs to be added/changed and then do it? Thats much better than flooding AFD message boards. BTW, I already posted on WP about this thread.

[Haljackey 17,385]

Originally posted by: Spartan968 We did it!!! The article has been saved!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simtropolisquote>

Um... What about this at the top of the article?

This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's eletion policy" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipediaeletion_policy">deletion policy.

Please share your thoughts on the matter at this article's entry on the Articles for deletion page.

Feel free to edit the article, but the article must not be blanked, and this notice must not be removed, until the discussion is closed. For more information, particularly on merging or moving the article during the discussion, read the guide to deletion.

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Steps to list an article for deletion: {{subst:afd}} • {{subst:afd2|pg=Simtropolis|cat=|text=}} ~~~~ (categories) • {{subst:afd3|pg=Simtropolis (3rd nomination)}} log (add to top of list)

This needs to be gone for good if we are to successfully save this article.  As long as it is being considered for deletion, the threat still remains.  Lets get rid of this for good by giving this page a makeover!  Quotes, references, verifiable information, and links are an excellent place to start.

So far, we only have one source, lets get some more to save it, as well as making the rest of the content more accurate!

[jeronij 13]

This site is listed as one of the best Download sites for SC4 in other third party sites like  here:
https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/index.php?topic=678.0   (english)
and here:
http://foro.capitalsim.net/viewtopic.php?t=7721    (spanish)

and probably in many other SC4 related sites. I hope this can be considered as a reliable third party source .

[ILL Tonkso 1,239]

Originally posted by: ILL Tonkso I would also like to take the time to appologise for any flaming you may have recieved on this forum. Most of us here wish to sort this matter out in a civil manner and i can assure you any rude members you may have encountered are not representitive of this community.quote>

As i said earlier

[Simfan34 11]

Thanks for the info, jeronji!

Salbador, your post is inaccurate! I do not get enough recongniton!

I ditto Hijackey

[JCarter 0]

We did it!!! The article has been saved!!! quote>

As they say, "it aint over til the admin says its over".

This needs to be gone for good if we are to successfully save this article. quote>

When an admin has come to a decision, then it can be removed.

[Flann 1,709]

I linked to the fansite listing and also the alexa data for the top four sites. I hope this is substantial proof.

[Insane Child of Bodom 1]

Wiki is a sad place...they list Death Metal bands that barely have one album and never been on tour...

but when Simtropolis is mentioned ...with its 250k membership base...they act like we don't exist...without simtropolis Wikipedia wouldn';t even have any articles on SC4......

so i just wish wiki would swallow their pride/or ignorance and just leave us alone....

[Mikeaut1 261]

Originally posted by: Insane Child of Bodom Wiki is a sad place...they list Death Metal bands that barely have one album and never been on tour...

but when Simtropolis is mentioned ...with its 250k membership base...they act like we don't exist...without simtropolis Wikipedia wouldn';t even have any articles on SC4......

so i just wish wiki would swallow their pride/or ignorance and just leave us alone....quote>

 

Wikipedia is a great site, the best online encyclopedia there is IMO. But I understand where they are coming from with this. 

Simtropolis Wiki had little to no sources whatsoever. Almost everything was unverifiable. If we are that fixed on having a wiki page, then we need to find the sources, no matter how abstract they are. Wiki strives to be as accurate as possible. Even though I don't agree in the deletion of the ST Wiki, I do understand fully where Wiki is coming from.

[Barbarossa 51]

~~ Edited. Please read the posts above by JanYpe and myself. ~Mike

Now, that aside, I don't see the big deal.  Wikipedia has rules, and those rules need to be adhered to (whether they apply it to all articles is beside the point).  I recall plenty of exposes for ST in major publications.  All we need to do is have someone with a WP profile to go through the trouble to post some of these citations and show that this article is not full of garbage.  I see everyone complaining and saying "let's post something", but has anyone done it?  It seems so simple to do.  A few posters in this forum have even indicated they are WP posters...  Did I misread (I'm good at that...)?

BTW, I do not have a profile and have never posted to WP, plus I do not have the time to find the articles.  I'm sure someone else can! 

Barbarossa

EDIT RE: DELETION... yeah, I figured it would be deleted, or at least my hand spanked.  No problem, my apologies.  I did not appreciate that... um... poster's comments.  My statement was true, though, LOL...  take care & best regards...

[Flann 1,709]

Originally posted by: Barbarossa~~ Edited. Please read the posts above by JanYpe and myself. ~Mike

Now, that aside, I don't see the big deal.  Wikipedia has rules, and those rules need to be adhered to (whether they apply it to all articles is beside the point).  I recall plenty of exposes for ST in major publications.  All we need to do is have someone with a WP profile to go through the trouble to post some of these citations and show that this article is not full of garbage.  I see everyone complaining and saying "let's post something", but has anyone done it?  It seems so simple to do.  A few posters in this forum have even indicated they are WP posters...  Did I misread (I'm good at that...)?

BTW, I do not have a profile and have never posted to WP, plus I do not have the time to find the articles.  I'm sure someone else can! 

Barbarossaquote>

I can edit and add sources, but i need someone else to find them for me.

[JCarter 0]

I can edit and add sources, but i need someone else to find them for me. quote>

This is the problem, nobody is doing that, yet they complain when its nominated for deletion...Im not picking on you Flann, I just wanted to point that out

[Camaron 1]

Originally posted by: JCarter

We did it!!! The article has been saved!!! quote>

As they say, "it aint over til the admin says its over".

This needs to be gone for good if we are to successfully save this article. quote>

When an admin has come to a decision, then it can be removed. quote>

Indeed, once an AFD (articles for deletion) nomination has started it generally continues for five days, then an admin closes the nomination and makes a decision on if the article should be kept or deleted based on consensus established in the discussion. Sometimes, a discussion can be cut short if it is "obvious" that an article should be kept or deleted - or extended if more discussion on the nomination is needed.

Looking at the current comments on the Simtropolis nomination - it will probably stay open for the full five days.

[JCarter 0]

Originally posted by: Camaron

Originally posted by: JCarter

We did it!!! The article has been saved!!! quote>

As they say, "it aint over til the admin says its over".

This needs to be gone for good if we are to successfully save this article. quote>

When an admin has come to a decision, then it can be removed. quote>

Indeed, once an AFD (articles for deletion) nomination has started it generally continues for five days, then an admin closes the nomination and makes a decision on if the article should be kept or deleted based on consensus established in the discussion. Sometimes, a discussion can be cut short if it is "obvious" that an article should be kept or deleted - or extended if more discussion on the nomination is needed.

Looking at the current comments on the Simtropolis nomination - it will probably stay open for the full five days.quote>

Right, thats exactly what I meant to say but you said it soooo much better

[Camaron 1]

Originally posted by: JCarter

Originally posted by: Camaron

Originally posted by: JCarter

We did it!!! The article has been saved!!! quote>

As they say, "it aint over til the admin says its over".

This needs to be gone for good if we are to successfully save this article. quote>

When an admin has come to a decision, then it can be removed. quote>

Indeed, once an AFD (articles for deletion) nomination has started it generally continues for five days, then an admin closes the nomination and makes a decision on if the article should be kept or deleted based on consensus established in the discussion. Sometimes, a discussion can be cut short if it is "obvious" that an article should be kept or deleted - or extended if more discussion on the nomination is needed.

Looking at the current comments on the Simtropolis nomination - it will probably stay open for the full five days.quote>

Right, thats exactly what I meant to say but you said it soooo much better quote>

Lol, if you're wondering why I bothered to wright that - it was for the benefit of those not familiar with Wikipedia's deletion processes.

[JCarter 0]

Originally posted by: Camaron

Originally posted by: JCarter

Originally posted by: Camaron

Originally posted by: JCarter

We did it!!! The article has been saved!!! quote>

As they say, "it aint over til the admin says its over".

This needs to be gone for good if we are to successfully save this article. quote>

When an admin has come to a decision, then it can be removed. quote>

Indeed, once an AFD (articles for deletion) nomination has started it generally continues for five days, then an admin closes the nomination and makes a decision on if the article should be kept or deleted based on consensus established in the discussion. Sometimes, a discussion can be cut short if it is "obvious" that an article should be kept or deleted - or extended if more discussion on the nomination is needed.

Looking at the current comments on the Simtropolis nomination - it will probably stay open for the full five days.quote>

Right, thats exactly what I meant to say but you said it soooo much better quote>

Lol, if you're wondering why I bothered to wright that - it was for the benefit of those not familiar with Wikipedia's deletion processes. quote>

smart guy

[Explodingsims 3]

It Looks like the article has been restored to a larger status, adding the information about the NAM and Awards back. Yay!

BTW I am also a member at Wikipedia, ExplodingSims, so I'll try to save it.

[jplumbley 5]

Ummm? What is the reason for having a Wiki on ST?

I just dont see what the big deal here is. The people that care about SimCity 4 are here, there are links from other SimCity 4 site to here and people can find it quite easily if they follow the links. Not to mention the link from the Offical SimCity website from EA.

Wiki is an encyclepedia. A place where useful information should be posted. Seriously, what useful information can be given to an encyclepedia from ST or any other fansite for that matter? The only websites I can really see as useful and deserving of a Wiki are sites that have changed the face of the internet and revolutionized the internet. This is just another fansite and forum out of millions.

Im not trying to start a flaming war... Im just confused as to what the big fuss is over.

[LivingInThePast 364]

Here is the original article backed on my userpage. This copy will be here, so you can edit on this one, so it can grow and mature before reaching Wikipedia again. Furthermore, when I started this thread, it was a "give a good reason to keep a good article" not "grab your pitchforks and kill Wikipedian admins". Furthermore, I liked what Haljackey said:

Lets get rid of [the AfD] for good by giving [the Simtropolis] page a makeover! Quotes, references, verifiable information, and links are an excellent place to start. quote>

For now, the sun on the original Simtropolis page may set.

But it will rise again.

[Insane Child of Bodom 1]

Originally posted by: jplumbley Ummm? What is the reason for having a Wiki on ST?

I just dont see what the big deal here is. The people that care about SimCity 4 are here, there are links from other SimCity 4 site to here and people can find it quite easily if they follow the links. Not to mention the link from the Offical SimCity website from EA.

Wiki is an encyclepedia. A place where useful information should be posted. Seriously, what useful information can be given to an encyclepedia from ST or any other fansite for that matter? The only websites I can really see as useful and deserving of a Wiki are sites that have changed the face of the internet and revolutionized the internet. This is just another fansite and forum out of millions.

Im not trying to start a flaming war... Im just confused as to what the big fuss is over.quote>

 

I have no clue what you are trying to say,,,,,

All I know is Simtropolis is the reason people still play SC4....

So i think we are more then just another stupid fansite...or whatever your trying to say...

[Vandy 110]

Hi, JPlumbley.

Originally posted by: jplumbley Ummm? What is the reason for having a Wiki on ST?

< snip! >

Im not trying to start a flaming war... Im just confused as to what the big fuss is over.quote>

 

It is my understanding after reading through this thread that the issue is NOT creating a Wiki on Simtropolis.  Rather, it is about Wikipedia deleting the article (entry, page, whatever) about Simtropolis.

With the plethora of information contained within our forums, I certainly don't see the need to create a Wiki within an already established SC4 Fan Site.

You are correct in your statement of not trying to start a flaming war -- THAT is something not needed or necessary concerning this or any other subject worth discussing.

Regards,

Vandy

[jplumbley 5]

@Insane Child

I never said it was a stupid site.  But its just one of millions of sites, by this logic every website in the world deserves a Wiki.

SC4 is an old game.  A great game.  If you think logically you will realize it has lived extremely longer than it should have in the gaming world.  ST is a good site, but it hasnt change the face of the internet.  It hasnt changed the face of the world we look at.  It has been a host for just another game with a few die hard fans left.

Be honest, this site doesnt have 180,000 members active.  And probably about half of those registered nicknames are probably dupilcate accounts.  I am not denying the fact that ST is the largest SC4 Website and that is not a good site.  I am saying it is a dime a dozen in the scope of the world.  Yes you can be passionate about it but the voice of maybe 10,000 SC4 die hard fans that still frequent this site is nothing compared to 6 billion in the world.

ST was and is a great place for SC4.  But SC4 is a very insignificant part of the world.  So, what is the big deal for having a Wiki on ST?  A new Sim City is slated to come out.  Only the die hard fans will stay with SC4, I will be one of them.  But the world moves on from the past and Wikis on fansites are just silly.  No matter what fansite it is, unless it has been the first to use new technologies (something I am sure this site has never done).

This is a fansite.               Fansite = insignificant except to the few people that use it.

[Jazzmaster 716]

Okay, okay...now I'm starting to think differently. Sure this site is important to the people who play the game but, as jpumbley points out, I don't see 180,000 people on this site everyday, just 1713 at the most (and at that time I wasn't even a member). Yes, this is a great game, yes I absolutely enjoy playing it, however the fact is it lasted way longer than most games. I can't even find the PC version of Need for Speed Most Wanted and it's only been out 2 years, and this game's been out close to 5 years now?

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 Slowly but surely I can sense this game "dying off" as the new ieteration approaches--just call it fan's intuition. Sooner or later the last NAM will come out, the last STEX upload will appear, the last post will be typed, and the last STEX CD will be made. It's very sad, I know, and I hate to sound like a pesemist, but that's the truth. So let's just enjoy what we have left, and hope for the best. Who knows; I could be very well wrong! Perhaps the next-gen SC will come out and we can try to adapt this site to that game. Just a happy thought for now...

regards,

-Yoshiisland

[Voar Tok 4]

Originally posted by: Yoshiisland

Slowly but surely I can sense this game "dying off" as the new ieteration approaches--just call it fan's intuition. Sooner or later the last NAM will come out, the last STEX upload will appear, the last post will be typed, and the last STEX CD will be made. It's very sad, I know, and I hate to sound like a pesemist, but that's the truth. So let's just enjoy what we have left, and hope for the best. Who knows; I could be very well wrong! Perhaps the next-gen SC will come out and we can try to adapt this site to that game. Just a happy thought for now...

regards,

-Yoshiislandquote>

I think there was plans for adapting to fit the change.  We were going to do that for SC5, whatever it might be.