Russian youths encouraged to 'procreate' at camp.

[ilikehotdogsalot 307]

"They became extinct because they did not have enough sex. That must not happen to Russia".

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[topcliff 1]

*****? At least it's better than asking them to mine uranium. Leonardo

[hamsterTK 93]

get laid for mother russia. I wonder when they will start making propaganda style porno? Red, black and white images with big cyrillic lettering that says dirty things

Anyways, jokes aside, this is pretty strange and disturbing

I mean contraceptive sex is okay, but going  for pregnancy when your still so young doesn't sound very fun at all. The government telling you to have kids and a family at a certain time seems really creepy.

[sEAhAwk fAn121 0]

kinda wierd... i guess they need more people to populate that huge space that they have

[Meg 368]

Yet the truth is that Britain, like most Western countries, flagellates itself for the crimes of the past. Indeed, British schoolchildren rarely learn anything positive about their country's empire. . . . quote>

How accurate is this statement?    Is that what British schools are like?

And, if Mr Putin has his way, Russian pupils will learn nothing bad about the Soviet empire, which was far bloodier, more brutal - and more recent. quote>

Okay, that's more than a bit scary.

Terrifyingly, the revived Soviet view of history is now widely held in Russia. A poll this week of Russian teenagers showed that a majority believe that Stalin did more good things than bad. quote>

If tens of thousands of uniformed German youngsters were marching across Germany in support of an authoritarian Fuhrer, baiting foreigners and praising Hitler, alarm bells would be jangling all across Europe. So why aren't they ringing about Nashi? quote>

I think that is an excellent question.  

[crazyyaya 4]

Just what the world needs, more poeple. So what is it now unpatriotic to be abstenent?

[Dark_Jedi06 13]

Russia will never change; first the Czar, then the Bolsheviks and now Putin. The people have always suffered under one iron fist or another and the introduction of "democracy" after the collapse of the Soviet Union was for nothing more then aesthetics.

It won't be long before there's a revival of the Soviet Union, albeit under a different name, with good ol' Vlad at the helm. This is only one of the many signs we've seen over the past years, yet the United States and the European Union continue to placate and ignore this growing threat. Appeasement exacerbated World War II and will have dire consequences in the near future if the nations of the world don't step up and face their problems.

Just my two cents.

[Kotztopf 1]

I shouldn't show my opinion about russians...

[Muff 0]

Russia has relatively small population compared to their land area, "only" 142 million when Bangladesh's population is over 147 million and land area is only twice big as Ireland's.

Russia / Soviet Union has never been a democracy and only totalirism keeps that giant together. Jeltsin tried, failed and then Putin made "free markets" combined with Soviet-era reign. And EU or USA can't say anything about Nashi being new Hitler Jugend, because then "no support, no gas".

[The boy formerly known as Evil Muzz 27]

Originally posted by: SkiGeek

Yet the truth is that Britain, like most Western countries, flagellates itself for the crimes of the past. Indeed, British schoolchildren rarely learn anything positive about their country's empire. . . . quote>

How accurate is this statement?    Is that what British schools are like?

quote>

 

It isn't entirely accurate, but it isn't far from the truth. In Geography last year I was too busy being taught about farming techniques in the Amazon Rainforest and the edge of the Sahara Desert to learn about how agriculture works here. When we had Religious Education, we were taught about the basics of Islam and Buddihism, but I couldn't tell you one line from the Lord's Prayer. 

We aren't taught about things relevant to our country. I didn't take History, but I did take Modern Studies and Geography, and in all of last year, the only mention of the British Empire was about how the fall of it also impacted industrial decline in the UK. I would like to think of myself as an intelligent person, but the only positive thing I have been taught about the British Empire was that it ended, because we were evil, horrible people who ruthlessly invaded lands and gave nothing in return (which may not be untrue, but it is bad that is all I have learned about our once great empire).

I sometimes joke with my friends about how backwards Britain is going, and that we should take it upon ourselves to bring back the British Empire and restore Vicky's once grand leadership. We will start with you Americans...

[Boggy1 45]

The boy formerly known as Evil Muzz: Maybe it's different in Scotland, but here in Wales we have quite a balanced education system. For instance, my Geography teacher taught us a ton of stuff that weren't at all relative to the exam, as the exam covers a miniscule area knowledge wise.

In RE we are taught about three main religions; Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, but we also covered Buddhism, Hinduism, Aethism, et all (I guess you can thank my mother for that; before the 70's, the entire RE course consisted of Christianity, she spear-headed a whole set of reforms that made the course far wider)

Probably the only Humanities subject that doesn't much cover the British Empire is, ironically, History, where our main subject areas were the Middle Areas, and the two World Wars.

However, most out-of-curriculum lessons we do that do involve the Empire do, I agree, present it as an awful thing that is a dark stain on our past, and should never have happened.

As for the article, I actually read it on Digg a couple of hours ago. Very. Weird. I think that is about my only comment.

(also, note; the Daily Mail is quite renowned for its right wing bias, and general anti-Government bias, so most things should be taken with a slight pinch of salt)

[Simfan34 11]

Seriously, if it wasn't for the British Empire, I doubt I would exist. And I'm such an Anglophile, I'd love for the UK to take over.

As for the subject matter.... uhhhh....errr.....okaayyy....

[belfastuniguy 18]

The British Empire was mentioned at school for me (Northern Ireland), though it focused more on the Irish aspect. I do think many get a balanced view, I have to say it does depend on where you live and what is on the GCSE/AS/A Level History paper. I've never been given a bad image of Britain in history, of course you are told about some of the bad things but you also learn about how we developed many poor nations, brought rail, canals, ports and industry and of course living in Belfast you learn how the Empire made this city and very very very rich city indeed. (Not be slavery before anyone starts that, but through manufacturing and industry, Belfast did not have a slave trade as the city elders voted against it)

In respect to Russia, can't say I'm that surprised. It's a god awful nation that currently believes because it supplies Europe with oil and gas is can do what it wants, which has been a very bad move. Playing superpower is also far above it's abilities. The country is dying after decades of harsh controlled rule and that's that. The people live in poverty, have unimaginable alcohol illnesses, low birth/high death rates and to be honest can understand why they don't want to have children. Encouraging children to have them is just another disgusting policy by the Putin dictatorship that currently rules Russia in a quasi-soviet style.

Such a shame to see a country such as Russia in such a state, but what else does anyone expect!

[Duke87 1,070]

Eeen Russia, sex haas yoo!

</fake accent>

All kidding aside, though, the trouble here is that this is simply their culture. Fact of the matter is, when they were a communist state, they were a world power that rivaled the US, but when that fell apart and they switched to democracy, they completely lost that status. So it's understandable that a lot of Russians would support communism after that. After all, they'd rather be part of a world power than just some huge country with a ton of land. The trouble is that they, as radicals often do, look entirely at the pros and ignore the cons.

Given that, it's also no wonder why everyone in America hates communism. I've heard a lot of Europeans say that we Americans have this irrational hatred of communism, looking at all the cons and none of the pros. Well, Europe wasn't constantly playing rivals with the Soviet Union for 40+ years. That kind of thing really changes your perspective. After all, the cold war was all about Communism versus Democracy/Capitalism. It's thus also no wonder that Socialism has never taken a hold in the US anywhere near as much as it has in Europe. After all, it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. For a lot of Americans, Socialism seems to be only one step removed from Communism, or even just as bad as it. When your rival goes to the extremes with Communism, you naturally are going to want to rush to the opposite end of the spectrum. That was the point behind McCarthyism. And it's simply something we haven't been able to completely come back from. Our history has quite a sore spot for those kinds of things.

[belfastuniguy 18]

Originally posted by: Duke87 Eeen Russia, sex haas yoo!

</fake accent>

Given that, it's also no wonder why everyone in America hates communism. I've heard a lot of Europeans say that we Americans have this irrational hatred of communism, looking at all the cons and none of the pros. Well, Europe wasn't constantly playing rivals with the Soviet Union for 40+ years. That kind of thing really changes your perspective. After all, the cold war was all about Communism versus Democracy/Capitalism. It's thus also no wonder that Socialism has never taken a hold in the US anywhere near as much as it has in Europe. After all, it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. For a lot of Americans, Socialism seems to be only one step removed from Communism, or even just as bad as it. When your rival goes to the extremes with Communism, you naturally are going to want to rush to the opposite end of the spectrum. That was the point behind McCarthyism. And it's simply something we haven't been able to completely come back from. Our history has quite a sore spot for those kinds of things.quote>

 

Ok so how exactly was Europe not a rival to the Soviet Union???? You seem to have forgotten that Soviet Russia divided Europe, and placed military and missile sites within sight of Western Europe as well as pointed those missiles at pretty much every European city. I do find it somewhat humourous that you think it was US vs USSR only, did you think that Europe was just some socialist non-existance that would have been in the middle of any US/USSR conflict and would have been destroyed if things ever came to war.

I do understand what you mean but please done assume that the USA was the only rival to Soviet Russia. They left a bloddy great mess when they collapsed that 'we' the Europeans are now cleaning up. It's not the money from US Taxpayers paying for Eastern Europen development funds and projects, but those in Western Europe.

Also America is not the only capitalist democracy you also seemed to have forgotten than every European nation west of the 'Iron Curtain' was democratic and not ever one of them was socialist either. Yes if that means free health and education for everyone but I doubt that is something to be disregarded.

[The Terminator 0]

It's not just Russia that is facing a Communist revival. Yes, The right is a threat, and the neo-fascist revival under the elephant has demoralized America, the Left is just as bad.

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.

The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

Misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance

We call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels

We call in government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

We call it the Federal Reserve which is a credit/debt system nationally organized by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC). This private bank has an exclusive monopoly in money creation which in reality has ended the need for revenue from taxes. So why do they tax? To FOOL YOU into thinking they need them.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State

We call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) madated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations. There is also the postal monopoly, AMTRACK and CONRAIL

7. Extention of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

We call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

8. Equal liablity of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. And I almost forgot...The Equal Rights Amendment means that women should do all work that men do including the military and since passage it would make women subject to the draft.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

We call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .

[Gridlock 9]

Propaganda machine at work . I have some good friends in the UK that are russian , my opinion of russia is that although its run through an iron fist approach it is over all quite a peaceful nation compared to the rest of us .

The british empire , well my opionion of this is , its not that we are ashamed of our crimes , we didnt do anything the Romans , Vikings did to us. Also during that period of the Brit Empire, it was either going to be the French , Spanish, portugeses or british, it was the age of discovery . But Britian has changed , we have become a very mixed race nation , so it may be inappropriate to teach of British conquest to a mixed race class of students .

[DOXXP29 5]

Excellent points, Terminator! It's been getting pretty scary here as the elephant tramples on the Constitution and Bill of Rights. And you're right, the left isn't doing us many favours either.

Regarding the comment by Duke, there are a LOT of Americans who hear the word socialism and immediately make the leap to communism. It seems pretty senseless, but for whatever reason, that seems to be a prevailing way of thinking for many U.S. citizens. Maybe it's ignorance, maybe some weird "patriotic" thinking, maybe it's what they picked up from school...who knows? That school of thought is pretty rampant, though.

As far as procreating for Mother Russia in procreation camps, I guess it's one of Putin's great ideas where he figures he can create a captive audience of little Russians to fill up the country and swallow his ideology and maybe one day have enough people in the country to become a superpower once again and be able to take on the mean, nasty democracy-loving Americans and Europeans. My guess, though, is that the kids will grow up in poverty and a pretty lousy environment and they'll wind up rebelling against the very thing that he's trying to shove down their throats. Seems like with a lot of the things I've been reading about lately that Putin has come up with, the image of Wile E. Coyote comes to mind...

[Goldfish4209 9]

...ok... Well, exactly how old for they? If they're that desperate for population... This is kind of overkill.

On a side note, maybe they're mildly enjoying it. Or not. Depends.

[Micah 16]

Well, I guess if you want to have an overpopulation problem, this would be the way to do it.

[IDS2 3,344]

You! Go with her! Be back in 7 minutes and then go with someone else!

Holy crap, what will Russia think of next?

Besides, what about HIV/AIDS and Herpes? Apparently they aren't concerned...

[SpecialEddie 3]

Originally posted by: Micah Well, I guess if you want to have an overpopulation problem, this would be the way to do it.quote>

 

Russia's population is actually declining. Do more research before words start spilling from your keyboard.

[paperboy15 4]

Originally posted by: Micah Well, I guess if you want to have an overpopulation problem, this would be the way to do it.quote>

 

Overpopulation? Russia has one of the lowest pop densities in the world.

Besides, you gotta catch up to India and China somehow!

[Dark_Jedi06 13]

Originally posted by: Micah Well, I guess if you want to have an overpopulation problem, this would be the way to do it.quote>

Russia is far from overpopulation. It's estimated that 700 thousand to 1.2 million Russians die each year, with the entire population decreasing by 9 million in the past decade.

[Almighty Nienaber 3]

ok why did i just wast 17 minits of my life...

[Micah 16]

LOL! Thanks guys for clearifying that 3 times.

Actually, if you were to create a camp for procreation, then eventually down the line you will run into overpopulation (no matter how many decades it could take). Besides this camp, Russia is making tougher laws against foreigners (especially Americans) adopting within their borders.

[Goldfish4209 9]

Originally posted by: Micah LOL! Thanks guys for clearifying that 3 times.

Actually, if you were to create a camp for procreation, then eventually down the line you will run into overpopulation (no matter how many decades it could take). Besides this camp, Russia is making tougher laws against foreigners (especially Americans) adopting within their borders.quote>

Well, providing that russia manages their farmland well and builds cities where the land is useless, I don't really think they'll have a population problem for a long time, at least until they run out of food.

You! Go with her! Be back in 7 minutes and then go with someone else!quote>

lol!

[josue 0]

May be this is the reason politicians in Russia are so homophobic...but i think they should care much more about the economic conditions of the people and then people would have children. But the problem is that the power in Russia never worried about people, nor Czars, nor communists, nor "???" (how could i call it?)

[Zelgadis 638]

Well, I'm sure the kids like it.

But it occurs to me that the best way to address their population problem is to focus on health, social services, and the economy rather than sex. Happy people will likely make more babies.

ISF

[crazyyaya 4]

Isn't it ironic, for once Russia economy is exploding, it's becoming a economic power of the world again, and its population is becoming to small to power the economy.