Calm Down Folks Read this :)

[Robstersfive 0]

please read my last post on previous page

and yeah of course its to get the simcity franchise to sell again...its been almost 5years they need to release something or otherwise we may as well forget ever getting a new game and yes there are so many clones they needed to reinvent the wheel to be honest

[baertooth 330]

Have you seen this?  I nearly fell out of my chair when I saw it.  But alas, it's not a city simulator.  This is how I was hoping Simcity 5 would be.

http://creative-patterns.com/spip.php?rubrique27〈=en&Game=1

Edit: Dropped the link.

[woodb3kmaster 342]

Hmm. Dyslexia + awkward punctuation and grammar for a native English-speaker (which I can only assume at this point) + dislike for metaphors + high-enough IQ to go to college = high-functioning autism? It's not exactly on-topic, but since I've been learning a lot about my newfound Asperger's Syndrome, this whole analysis interests me.

Now then, as to our beloved SimCity franchise: It's wholly unreasonable to claim that SC4 is a complete game. Not only is EA withholding access to its bug-ridden source code; the ever-increasing volume of custom content appearing here and at other fansites, including any number of revolutionary mods, should be enough to convince anyone with an open mind that the game is far from complete. The burger analogy is excellent aside from one key fact: we the fans aren't the ones "ordering" our burgers. We can suggest changes to the recipe, whether the chef incorporates them or not, but we're still getting some kind of burger. The restaurant is only making us burgers, not sandwiches or tacos. And, as I mentioned before, they don't have to prepare their burgers our way if it doesn't suit their ends. We as customers are not as important as so many of us believe we are.

[JanYpe 17]

This really isn't the place for amateur medical diagnoses.

...ever since WebMD told me I have Cluckitis I've been a little touchy about stuff like that.

[Robstersfive 0]

Originally posted by: woodb3kmaster Hmm. Dyslexia + awkward punctuation and grammar for a native English-speaker (which I can only assume at this point) + dislike for metaphors + high-enough IQ to go to college = high-functioning autism? It's not exactly on-topic, but since I've been learning a lot about my newfound Asperger's Syndrome, this whole analysis interests me. quote>

Thanks for that insultment! A lot of the time i just type in what i think quickly as I'm to busy to discuess a computer game, and yes i do have bad dislexia!! That doesn't mean I have a problem I have a good mind to report you for that crap!

as for the title of this thread that was just a silly typo it should have been "calm down"

we meant to be discussing why you lot are so angry we getting a different sim city! I don't blame them for starting again...its like you said simcity 4 a buggy piece of crap of software, it was terrible compared to simcity classic, 2000 and 3000 nothing near as good and the buildings looked more cartoony in 4 I think.

The franchise died back 2003 with simcity 4 get over it move on play half life 2 its better game with a company who cares about their products.

simcity 4 was no longer a fun game anyone could pick up and that my friend is the sad truth of why they doing this to simcity. if you suggested ideas how to make simcity 5 like the previous 3 games and not like SC4 with more added complexcity we probably would of got a real simcity game this time instead it was bound to follow the sims route

Also that link above that game does look amazing...however do you build the city or is it just pre built city?

[JanYpe 17]

Calm down, I'm pretty sure that wasn't meant as an insult. He apparently has Asperger's himself, as he posted, and he saw some possible symptoms of that in your posts. No need to get in a huff about it.

That 'Building World' game is about individual buildings. The city around it is just decor from what I understand.

[Robstersfive 0]

yeah going to say if that was a simcity style game then that is amazing.

Around one building could soon get boring but them screen shots with curvy roads would look great in a new simcity.

I wasn't in a huff he shouldn't just say crap like that he doesn't know me at all

Also that really true Will Wright didn't work on SC3000 and SC4? i can believe SC4 but i was under the impression that SC3000 was being made at maxis in 3D and was going wrong and EA bought them up and helped them make the SC3000 we all know and love.

Think thats where simcity gone wrong for years keeps trying to go 3D.

[Robstersfive 0]

Games designed by Wright
SimCity series: SimCity, SimCity 2000, SimCity 3000 (Will Wright was not on the SimCity 4 design team)
SimEarth
SimLife
SimCopter
SimAnt
The Sims (Wright is credited for, but did not design most of The Sims 2)
Spore 

taken from wikipedia

makes sence to me i didn't get into sims 2 or simcity 4 as much as sims1 and simcity1-3 so yeah its basically over at end of simcity 3000 need to move on folks im looking forward to spores

[gshmails 536]

You should stick to your opinion and not tell the rest of us to move on.  Most people are here because of their love of SC4 and the things we have done to make it better.  It is fine for you to not enjoy the game, but allow the rest of us to play without being told it is not a good game.  If you like Halo2 fine, go play.  Please do not contaminate out little world with negative comments about the game we love.  Thanks

Shmails

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Originally posted by: baertooth Have you seen this?  I nearly fell out of my chair when I saw it.  But alas, it's not a city simulator.  This is how I was hoping Simcity 5 would be.

http://creative-patterns.com/spip.php?rubrique27?=en&Game=1

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I saw this a few days ago, it does look great. This is how I expected graphics in SimCity 5 to be like

But what's up with the "video" section? It's just one image file with a few smaller images inside

[Robstersfive 0]

Originally posted by: gshmails You should stick to your opinion and not tell the rest of us to move on.  Most people are here because of their love of SC4 and the things we have done to make it better.  It is fine for you to not enjoy the game, but allow the rest of us to play without being told it is not a good game.  If you like Halo2 fine, go play.  Please do not contaminate out little world with negative comments about the game we love.  Thanks

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It wasn't a negative comment its a fact! I probably been playing simcity longer than you and much of a fan as you in the past. I even used to host my own website like this for simcity 2000 and 3000 buildings and mods in the day!

Simcity 4 is buggy and whats more negative than you guys slating a new form of simcity coming out saying how good simcity 4 was compared to it. Simcity 4 was good it just wasn't good enough! It no way beat simcity 3000 it was a let down. It had bugs and was to complicated compared to the previous simcity games. I remmeber it frustrated me in parts even though i was good at simcity 4. It just wasn't as fun as simcity 1-3 thats what there trying to bring back because anything do same now just be a remake and not something new!

I wasn't being negative about simcity 4 its a welcome edition. It just had its faults thats what i was trying to pointing out and trying to show you people why there taking this new direction. All you lot can do is sit there talk about big mac meals and say how crap it is from a few videos and screenies. 

My friend makes computer games and you would not believe how complex it is! what you lot want for simcity 5 was a joke for a game. A game is meant to be fun and im sure thats what simcity societys will be, fun! All this talk about making your own simcity! what a joke no one is as clever as Will Wright and proper teams to do something on that level on there own even city life couldn't beat simcity series and other city games before that.

you lot need to be greatful you have simcity4 and there making a new one.

[toxicpiano 125]

Oh man I wish I could clam down. Lol, sorry

[Robstersfive 0]

Originally posted by: toxicpiano Oh man I wish I could clam down. Lol, sorry quote>

 

haha 

sodding typo

is there anyway to correct thread titles?

[gshmails 536]

Please do not make assumptions that you know me.  You are now standing on a slippery slope.  You have lumped everyone here into your universal "you" and are painting a very wide stroke with your comments.  I (along with many here) are older than you, and enjoy the complexity.  I do not play games to kill bad guys or save the princess.  I want complexity.  If it is your opinion that it was not a great game, fine.  Just know that it is an opinion, not a fact.

Shmails

[Robstersfive 0]

Originally posted by: gshmails Please do not make assumptions that you know me.  You are now standing on a slippery slope.  You have lumped everyone here into your universal "you" and are painting a very wide stroke with your comments.  I (along with many here) are older than you, and enjoy the complexity.  I do not play games to kill bad guys or save the princess.  I want complexity.  If it is your opinion that it was not a great game, fine.  Just know that it is an opinion, not a fact.

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think you need to take a step back...If read the point of this thread I said myself i was anger by the new simcity but trying to talk over with fans why I feel this has happened and why im trying to see it as a good thing!

Simcity 4 had faults which has resulted in this new game...I just think to early to pre judge something you have no played. if any one here rude and negative it is you, instead of discussing and debating with me and other fans about new game your just classing me outside of this forum when im just as much a simcity fan as you are if not more!

did you even read my original post that started this thread!

[gshmails 536]

My comment was about the topic.  I explained that what I enjoy is the complexity.  The anger you see around here about the new direction is the "dumbing down" of a serious gaming series.  I would rather have a complex, buggy game over a simplified perfect one.

I believe you when you say you are a serious fan, but that does not negate other serious fans and their opinions that the new direction is not a positive.  Let's just agree to disagree.  No offense was meant!

[baertooth 330]

After having done some research, I'm finding Will did work on SC3k but I'm also finding hints he wasn't in charge of it like he was the other simcities, and he might have been off the project before it shipped. Either way doesn't matter. Will won't be working on The Sims or Simcity anymore. He's doing Spore and it sounds like he has no interest in returning to old games, but making new ones.

I've literally put thousands of hours into both SC3k and SC4 and I prefer 4 by a wide margin. But then again, SC4 wasn't as good as a sandbox game as the previous three titles and if that's what one likes, one probably won't like SC4. I don't like sandbox play but I love growing my cities so that's probably why I love SC4. It's so satisfying to see a farming community slowly transform into a sprawling megatropolis. I also love driving around in real life because I feel like I'm surrounded by Simcity 4 and it makes me excited to play. And after having played the game, I grok why it is the city planners and the mayor do what they did.

If you play sandbox, right away you have to money cheat or the budget is going to kill you quickly. In fact, I think it was one of the initial problems about SC4 was Maxis or EA didnt' warn anyone that SC4 wasn't as sandbox friendly and the previous titles. People coming from those games trying to sandbox it in SC4 were quickly disappointed and didnt' stick around.

But like I said, I don't like sandbox play. I also don't like The Sims and I'm not really looking forward to Spore. I don't think I'm going to like Societies because it seems to highlight what I don't like in Simcity, and then grafts The Sims over the top of it, which I don't care for either.

[Robstersfive 0]

Yeah totally agree with your side of things there...think thats why i see new simcity as a postive thing now because i was one of them players that loved to focus on one city forever not making loads and loads, like you generally do in simcity 4 to get anywhere in your region...partly why simcity 3000 had more hours of my time than sc4 ever will or have

However reinstalled SC4 to start a new region again

but I love idea spores and love idea new simcity now because societys will make every city different as with SC4 generally always same kinda city with ok mayb the odd farm town.

I wonder if simcity 4 created a new type of fan? because seems to me some people purely devoted to simcity 4 and not what simcity really was which was about making a city not about how you made it

[JanYpe 17]

I wonder if simcity 4 created a new type of fan? because seems to me some people purely devoted to simcity 4 and not what simcity really was which was about making a city not about how you made itquote>

The scope of SC4 is much bigger than the previous games, you can determine the size of your city yourself instead of conforming to a preset map. SC4 is more versatile as well, but because of the size you might not get the hands on feel of a city you did with SC3000. It's not about new fans, it's about old fans reacting to new things.

is there anyway to correct thread titles?quote>

I just fixed it, but you should be able to edit your first post to change it.

[Robstersfive 0]

Hey thanks  now people relise i mean calm down hehe

Don't mean upset people with my point of view I just trying to shine some light of hope among fellow fans. I like playing a different kind of simcity each time myself, I still play them all. I've not played sc4 in a long while but I was playing simcity 3000 and was rebuilding a simcity i started way back from the classic into 2000 and then 3000

what i really hated about sc4 though was losing the import old cities option as mention above less sandbox play and thats what i hope returns in this 5th installment.

[jabezscratch 159]

I note that the big tech box stores like Best Buy and Futureshop (in Canada) still stock SC4 on their shelves. That suggests that it is still a seller to some degree (not unlike StarCraft, for example). I get the sense that SCS is just a diversion in the evolution of SC and a return to the true style and spirit of the game is inevitable. That gives me some comfort but I'm disheartened by the thought that it will be years before we see the true SC5.

[Robstersfive 0]

Originally posted by: jabezscratch I note that the big tech box stores like Best Buy and Futureshop (in Canada) still stock SC4 on their shelves. That suggests that it is still a seller to some degree (not unlike StarCraft, for example). I get the sense that SCS is just a diversion in the evolution of SC and a return to the true style and spirit of the game is inevitable. That gives me some comfort but I'm disheartened by the thought that it will be years before we see the true SC5.

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yeah this is my theory as well, over here in England simcity 4 and 3000 are still commonly found being sold...even in asda supermarkets

I think this is just a stepping stone to get the franchise popular again and once maxis team is done and dusted with spores. 

I am also sadden by time frame that simcity 5 will happen and the fact that it's not maxis but we should be glad that EA want to keep simcity alive and thats what i was trying to get across to people, the idea of societys might actually be a turn around and be fun, plus its still a little while till release i suspect they will add more in that we have not seen yet.

If wasn't for EA simcity would have died at simcity 2000 a long time ago so we shouldn't take it all out on them, of course they want to make money but simcity could have quite easily been left alone after simcity 4. In my opinion there not big demand for it such as other games and they knew what ever came next after SC4 was going to be risky...we ought to hope the new simcity does sell well because if does flop it maybe over for good

[City2TheMax 3]

From what I've read and heard, this whole SCS thing is more of an experiment. They want to see how well it would be if Simcity went in a new direction, and how different things might work out. I do agree though that this game is probably just a filler and a SC5 will come out someday. But right now Maxis/EA has to work on Spore (which supports the reasoning that this game is a filler).

[Robstersfive 0]

I been doing some reading laterly on the web and I found an old interview which has been mention before on here about Will Wright saying a year after simcity 4 was out that they were looking for new direction with the simcity series. I do believe maxis as had a part in this new simcity with tilted mill and ea. It would be stupid not to.

Lets look over the history of simcity very quickly

Simcity Classic and SC2000 were both huge hits...later maxis ran into trouble with 3D version of simcity 3000 (screens posted on my opening post to this thread) once EA stepped in they played it safe with SC3000 which was pretty much a remake of SC2000 with new features and later extended verion of the game with unlimited, plus hence 3000 in the title so people would know it was the long awaited sequel to the popular SC2000. Brillant game and did extremely well...However later simcity 4 was being produced...

Maybe someone can help me out here as i'm not sure why it wasn't called SC4000? can anyone remember why? I heard it was because of reason why SC3 was called 3000 and that it was a marketing stratagy to link it to SC2000. 2nd simcity we know was called 2000 because it was linked to the year 2000 and 21st century as it had a futuristic twist to the game. 

Anyway back to sc4 which in my view was again playing it safe on the huge success and come back of simcity 3000 and extending it in everyway region play etc, I mean when you look at sc3000 and 4 there are a lot of similaries in graphics to (land fills for one) lot reused sound effects as well etc etc

Now we come to simcity 5? what next? same thing again ? after all SC4 as said by Will Wright worked its way into a corner because they have pretty much been playing it safe with last 2 games. When you compare simcity classic and 2000 they are very different in terms of the way you build your city, but 3000 and 4 has pretty much only been SC2000 rehashed twice when every sequel should have ideally been something new each time like the SC2000 futuristic idea, and now the time to do it againwith the 5th game...hence societies

I think possible they might do simcity 5 but i believe this is sc5 but did away with the numbers because it probably not good marketing to say its 5th game when want to try new things with it and get new people involed

Im looking more forward to this game and simcitiy games ahead I think it needs a bit of a shake up and I believe we see more great new features such air ports and highways in there last 5months working on it 

[ElvishPresley 0]

Wow those pictures look almost identical to SCS

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Originally posted by: Robstersfive

Simcity Classic and SC2000 were both huge hits...later maxis ran into trouble with 3D version of simcity 3000 (screens posted on my opening post to this thread) once EA stepped in they played it safe with SC3000 (...)quote>

AFAIK it was EA who said Maxis should make it 3D as 2D games didn't sell

Originally posted by: City2TheMax From what I've read and heard, this whole SCS thing is more of an experiment. They want to see how well it would be if Simcity went in a new direction, and how different things might work out. I do agree though that this game is probably just a filler and a SC5 will come out someday.quote>

But what if SC:S ends up selling lots of copies, then we might never see SimCity 5

[ninjasquirrel 0]

I promised myself I wouldn't get involved in any SCS discussions, but I can't resist jumping in at least once.

Personally, what I have gotten from the interviews is that there was no real choice but to try a spinoff. The franchise NEEDS a new game now, or it will lose its brand value. That should be a big concern for all of us. If the brand value drops too low, I doubt we'll ever see another Sim City again, traditional or otherwise. Now, add to this the fact that Maxis is not available, and has no experience with 3D anyway.

What they've been saying is not that SC4 is a complete game. They're saying that it does its job so well, that trying to get any other developer to try to outdo it on its own turf would be doomed to failure from day one. I can tell you right now, as a software developer, that having in-house domain knowledge is about as indispensable as actually having software developers. It took a decade of experience with the genre for Maxis to build SC4. It also takes longer than a few years to gather the talent from top-to-bottom within a company to create a 3D engine, especially a 3D engine that meets EA's expectations for quality.

This sets the stage for the best time to try a new direction with the series, which they've been meaning to do for some time. It's impossible for them to get SC5 made in the traditional style and not have it fall short of SC4, so why bother trying? I'm trying to think of SCS as entry-level sim city. It will get people used to the idea of wanting to have a city that looks the way they want, rather than just being functional, which is, after all, the most challenging and rewarding aspect of SC4. Making a purely functional city is only a matter of solving the simulation. Making a beautiful city, on the other hand, that's the real challenge. I think we should be trying to nudge Tilted Mill into including just enough simulation to tie things in better with the main series, and focus on how to provide THIS challenge better.

Just my two cents.

[Robstersfive 0]

Originally posted by: ninjasquirrel I promised myself I wouldn't get involved in any SCS discussions, but I can't resist jumping in at least once.

The franchise NEEDS a new game now, or it will lose its brand value. That should be a big concern for all of us. If the brand value drops too low, I doubt we'll ever see another Sim City again, traditional or otherwise. Now, add to this the fact that Maxis is not available, and has no experience with 3D anyway.  quote>

 

Yeah this is how i am seeing this to, by the time spores is finished and sims 3 we talking a very long time until work can begin and get finished on simcity 5 which will probably be never now.

2008 release for spores and 2009 release for sims 3, simcity 5 would take years of development and be something like 2014 at earilest for maxis to even conisder getting next big simcity on the shelves and personally i really don't even want to think that far ahead!!!

its better reboot series with new people and have someone that can bring us a new simcity games more regularly over next few years and it is an ideal time to try something new with it.

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Originally posted by: Robstersfive

its better reboot series with new people and have someone that can bring us a new simcity games more regularly over next few years and it is an ideal time to try something new with it.quote>

I would rather have SimCity 4 be the last in the series than have a game ruin the SimCity name

[Robstersfive 0]

it may well be remember as the last simcity if this does badly anyway. 

who knows i guess we all know better fate of simcity by end of 2007. I think simcity 4 was designed to be the last one though because pretty much added everything possible to it they probably knew back then it be there last but then EA wants to cash in and keep it alive so