Calm Down Folks Read this :)

[Robstersfive 0]

Ok I have your attention hopefully  read my post and look at my pictures below lol

My reaction was the same as everyone else....What have they done!! but as a player since the original simcity i was thinking to myself why would they do this...it seemed to crazy why they ruin a game?? But I don't believe even EA are that stupid, Im not big fan of EA either! 

Anyway my point is lets be realstic here people!....Will Wright and his team have worked on nothing but simcity and sim games for years and years...and thanks to EA SC3000 and 4 was possible!! Maxis was going under before!...everyone remembers the trouble 3000 was in trying to go 3d back then.

Now Maxis is doing spores which looks amazing and I'm glad to see something new!! I believe however they will return to simcity I really do!! but lets look at the facts! simcity 4 came out in 2003 thats almost 5 years ago now!!! wheres time go huh? lol spores is out in 2008....look how long it takes to make a simcity game. We'd be lucky to get simcity 5 10years after release of simcity 4! And by then everyone would have forgotten the game of simcity, apart from the die hard fans and older people like me...so what do you do? well like tomb raider 5 they release a filler gap game made by a company that needs a chance in the industry...if it was truely simcity 5 it woud have been called simcity "5" not simcity "Societies". 

They clearly thought this out and saving 5 for after spores! This leads me to believe that bringing new fans to the franchise will boast popularity of simcity!! and they still sell simcity 3000 and 4 in the shops today! I see them on the shelves all the time...new fans who like simcity societies are probably be more keen to learn the complexity of 4 and 3000....and still have fun with this new game and we still have 4 to play! its not going anywhere

I see this new game as a positive thing because they could have just left simcity at number 4 and let it Rot and die and just let maxis move on with Spores and Sims etc. However they giving it a chance for a Simcity 5 to be made later in my view. I think this is just a filler for the franchise to survive for the time being plus its gd practise to see how well 3D simcity going to work as well as getting new fans in. Tomb Raider Legend upset lot of old fans with its gameplay, but it also bought a lot new fans in and the newer game back on track...In my view simcity 3000 was best one and 4 i felt was a let down until rush hour and mods etc, I still think 3000 has most realstic graphics as well over 4. 

My mate said he thought simcity was over as 4 added everything they ever needed. So that goes to show really, plus they have gone back to its roots...simcity classic was about putting large blocks down remember...zones didn't come about until SC2000, same with pipes, I think the games been stuck in a rut since 2000 as well. try to be happy guys I believe this good way keep simcity alive and we all still have the original 4 games and this just keeps them alive loads of people go back to old sequels when they get into a new game...many did with half life and tomb raider games etc on those forums when new fans joined,  Simcity 4 might get a boast through this game because they hear from us long time fans that SC4 is more complex and interesting  Plus to be fair how can they improve on SC4 yet? and have it 3d? they can't!! this game clearly a way to just get more fans into simcity and that is exactly what it needs to be honest! new fans and they will play simcity 4 i reckon from this and lead onto proper simcity 5 later.

hope this helps some of you guys feel better about it, I think EA should have said in their press release that this was a game to fill the gap, but i guess that would have looked bad...I really believe this is just something to keep simcity going until Maxis team is done with Spores...and I guess EA have got to be realstic as if Spores is another Sims and gets very popular we are likely to never see Will and Maxis return to simcity any time soon! In fact this was a susprise to me as I believed simcity was over at 4 with the sims 2 addons sims 3 and spores all on their plate...sucks though but thats life move on we get simcity 5 but not until 2013 or something 5 years after 2008 spores release, but with sims 3 maybe longer

Plus can bet that EA add whats missing with addon packs to this simcity

PS im new to this forum, I been a long time fan! I'm 22 and I remember playing simcity since i was a very small child also here are some screenies of the original simcity 3000! look how bad that was LOL  hehe

[Bluebeard 0]

Look the only folks getting bent are the "Peter Pan" groupies.No matter if you stand on your head till the cows come home this game is headed towards store shelves and there isn't a darn thing you can do about.

     You can't fight City Hall.

[Glenni 1,444]

Haha, those screens are cool, there WAS also a Sim City in true 3d too. Sim City 64, as far as i know , it was only released in Japan.

[offgreen 1]

What about Spore 2 and Spore 1's expansions!?

I don't know what they are doing at EA, and its times like this I don't care.

[Cob92 360]

If you read the tech articles for SC4 on the official website, it says that the game was to be in 3d with free camera but they decided to give us 4 fixed views so that they could keep a high level of detail.

[baertooth 330]

Robstersfive:

One arguement I'm hearing it from EA is Simcity 4 was as complete as it could be. Any real SC4 fan would highly disagree. In fact, the setiment has always been the exact opposite. And just so you know, and I'm not accusing you of this, but this is something I've been reading lately from EA's astroturfers and raises an immediate red flag for most of us. Becareful when saying that because it's such an non-argument when it comes to Simcity4 fans.

Btw, what has brought all this on doesn't fit your line of logic. EA announced a while ago that SC4 was too complicated and they were going to dumb down the game. Then they release Societies as that 'adjustment'. I think our reaction has been more than justified. Lets just hope EA isn't so dense to have failed to hear a rather large community say they don't want Societies to replace Simcity RCI.

[gshmails 534]

Originally posted by: offgreen What about Spore 2 and Spore 1's expansions!?

I don't know what they are doing at EA, and its times like this I don't care.quote>

Very good point.  EA is famous for milking expansions.

p.s.  I like the title but I usually clam up, not down

[Robstersfive 0]

Originally posted by: baertooth Robstersfive:

One arguement I'm hearing it from EA is Simcity 4 was as complete as it could be. Any real SC4 fan would highly disagree. In fact, the setiment has always been the exact opposite. And just so you know, and I'm not accusing you of this, but this is something I've been reading lately from EA's astroturfers and raises an immediate red flag for most of us. Becareful when saying that because it's such an non-argument when it comes to Simcity4 fans.

Btw, what has brought all this on doesn't fit your line of logic. EA announced a while ago that SC4 was too complicated and they were going to dumb down the game. Then they release Societies as that 'adjustment'. I think our reaction has been more than justified. Lets just hope EA isn't so dense to have failed to hear a rather large community say they don't want Societies to replace Simcity RCI.quote>

 

Please don't class me outside your community though as i have been playing the game myself since 1989  and fan myself and used to have my own website on simcity

However I understand your point but I think some of you just not seeing the bright side of this new simcity as i said before...bringing new fans might actually benefit you as they are bound to take interest in the history of the series. 

My reaction was same at first but I really do believe maxis will make another full complete simcity 5 when the time comes and when the technology is there to do it...I see this new simcity as a rebirth as it was the only way to get it into 3d as well. I am deeply sadden by this to but I always believe you have to try see the positive in everything now...I used look on negative side of things far to much and just not good because your all upsetting yourselves!

I think we should be greatful simcity has being given a new chance to thive again, plus we can't really judge until its out but one thing I was really happy about in the screeie was the 3D and seeing the streets at eye level

Simcity 4 is a complete game get over it, its not a non arguement...if they were to do one better than that in full 3d and photo realstic graphics then your need one hell of a computer to run that! I think to many were being unrealstic with what you wanted, plus can still mod sc4 anyway.

The only thing that upset me was Maxis not making it but Im happy there doing spores a game i think that will be far superior to city building and I like to see new stuff from Will he a clever guy. The tourch had to be handed over at some point no one wants to do same thing all there life. To be honest with you as well simcity 4 didn't live up to fun i had with 3000 either, 3000 in my view was the complete simcity and had most realstic graphics out of them all as well

[Joesocwork 4]

Originally posted by: gshmails p.s.  I like the title but I usually clam up, not down quote>

Was it clam up or calm down?

[JanYpe 17]

Originally posted by: Robstersfive

Please don't class me outside your community though as i have been playing the game myself since 1989  and fan myself and used to have my own website on simcityquote>

Yes, but do you know the special super secret fan-handshake? Hmm?

[Robstersfive 0]

Originally posted by: JanYpe

Originally posted by: Robstersfive

Please don't class me outside your community though as i have been playing the game myself since 1989  and fan myself and used to have my own website on simcityquote>

Yes, but do you know the special super secret fan-handshake? Hmm?

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hehe i like that

[Robstersfive 0]

Originally posted by: Joesocwork

Originally posted by: gshmails p.s.  I like the title but I usually clam up, not down quote>

Was it clam up or calm down? quote>

 

sorry it was late at night when i posted it and i suffer from dislexia

[hawkpride147 1]

Originally posted by: Robstersfive

Originally posted by: Joesocwork

Originally posted by: gshmails p.s.  I like the title but I usually clam up, not down quote>

Was it clam up or calm down? quote>

 

sorry it was late at night when i posted it and i suffer from dislexia quote>

thats a better reason than mine would be...i just cant type sometimes. lol.

[Joesocwork 4]

Originally posted by: Robstersfive

Originally posted by: Joesocwork

Originally posted by: gshmails p.s.  I like the title but I usually clam up, not down quote>

Was it clam up or calm down? quote>

 

sorry it was late at night when i posted it and i suffer from dislexia quote>

 

That's okay.  Me too!  And here we are having fun about computer games in the cyberworld!

[baertooth 330]

Robstersfive:

The problem is I want a Big Mac I go to McDonalds and I order one. If I want Whopper, I go to Burger King and get one. If I want a hamburger, I stay home and make one.

I really like playing what Simcity has always been and Societies is not that. It's that simple. I want a Big Mac but EA is trying to convince me I would rather have a Whopper. It's not because I want a hamburger that I end up getting a Big Mac, it's because I want a Big Mac. Same with the Whopper.

If Societies had been an improved Big Mac, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Societies is a Whopper. It's something kinda similar but also happens to be something different, and in my eyes, very different. It's the recipe that's the problem. Societies is similar to Simcity, but it's like what a Whopper is to a Big Mac.

I'm just hoping that Societies, even if it's another game, will prove to have such superior game play I won't want to play Simcity RCI. Because Ifrom what I've seen, Societies sure in the heck can't replace Simcity RCI.

[stamp 4]

When i looked at that first shot... the first thing that came to my head was "wow... those vehicles are more detailed than SC:S' vehicles!  They must've been thinking WAY too ahead of their time!  The plan was laid out all along!"

I agree with the head poster though, Simcity needs a bit of a break, in terms of complexity.  It's like the series scooped up all these fans, since the classic.  EA may have just decided to scoop up more fans in SC:S because it's simpler, and then bump up the complexity in the next iteration.  Or even just have a different franchise all together, Simcity Societies 2, 3, etc, alongside Simcity 5, 6, etc.  Anywho, right now i am having tons of fun in city life!

Originally posted by: baertooth Robstersfive:

The problem is I want a Big Mac I go to McDonalds and I order one. If I want Whopper, I go to Burger King and get one. If I want a hamburger, I stay home and make one.

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I KNOW WHAT I WANT FOR SUPPER NOW. I WANT A WHOPPER.  SIR, YOU HAVE INSPIRED ME!

[WeHeartRoyals 0]

Originally posted by: baertooth Robstersfive:

The problem is I want a Big Mac I go to McDonalds and I order one. If I want Whopper, I go to Burger King and get one. If I want a hamburger, I stay home and make one.

I really like playing what Simcity has always been and Societies is not that. It's that simple. I want a Big Mac but EA is trying to convince me I would rather have a Whopper. It's not because I want a hamburger that I end up getting a Big Mac, it's because I want a Big Mac. Same with the Whopper.

If Societies had been an improved Big Mac, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Societies is a Whopper. It's something kinda similar but also happens to be something different, and in my eyes, very different. It's the recipe that's the problem. Societies is similar to Simcity, but it's like what a Whopper is to a Big Mac.

I'm just hoping that Societies, even if it's another game, will prove to have such superior game play I won't want to play Simcity RCI. Because Ifrom what I've seen, Societies sure in the heck can't replace Simcity RCI.quote>

 

what? why are we talking about food? now im hungry. and the double double is the best. 

but i like how robstersfive is looking at sthe new sc. in a good way.

[JanYpe 17]

Originally posted by: baertoothHamburgersquote>

Ok, continuing the comparison: Right now the old cows (Maxis) are being turned into what should a fresh new steak(Spore). That only leaves the calves to make hamburgers. But calves are small, and they can't become both Big Macs and Whoppers. So the farmer is making only Whoppers (SCS) to keep people interested in fast food(SC-series) in general, and to make money so that some day the customers can once again have the Big Mac with all the fixings they want(SC5).

The problem right now is that you are a picky eater. However, good things come to those who wait. (and empty their plates) I think.

What were we talking about again? This analogy is making me hungry.

[SimRabbit 48]

sorry for being ignorant, but what is SCS? Is it the new simcity game?

[JanYpe 17]

You are correct sir.

[Robstersfive 0]

thanks for that comment before! yes I am trying to see the new simcity in a good way as well as everyone else should!

Maxis got tired doing simcity why do you think there doing spores now! Will gave us a complete simcity game with 4 to last ages! now there trying something new to get new players and I like it...I think they've looked at simcity classic as well because it reminds me a lot of that

Classic never had pipes, you placed blocks down...only had one type of road and it made it fun to just build and see city grow not get bog down the complexcity of it which is fun but not for everyone. now there adding a sims element to it as well which will help get people interested in simcity.

and please don't do them things where you say "oh like getting a big mac meal" just trying to sound clever with dum talk...talk about simcity !!! not fast food! what has big mac meals got to do with friggering computer games

Robsters

[baertooth 330]

"dum" talk, huh? Sorry, didn't mean to come off like a moran.

[patriots_1228 51]

"dum"--isn't it more dumb to mispell four letter words ?

plus guys, stop complaining about your hamburgers(SCS). there are people that dont have any burgers (my parents generation)

[Robstersfive 0]

Originally posted by: baertooth "dum" talk, huh? Sorry, didn't mean to come off like a moran.quote>

 

Nah i just hate analogy my media tutor at uni did it all the time and really drove me up the wall its not you personally but i still hate them all the same. 

I just finished reading a preview off game spy about the new simcity, sounds like there just doing this as a spin off. I think everyone going to get there long awaited simcity 5 when time and technology is there to do something that can actually top simcity 4....or maybe Will Wright really has finished with simcity for life?

[baertooth 330]

Will Wright will more than likely not be involved with Simcity again. Just so you know, he wasn't invovled in SC3k or SC4.

Can you link to the article? I'm interested in reading it. This will be news indeed, if EA backed away from forcing Societies on us and instead are going to make a fifth Simcity. However, I'm hoping Urbs Urbis succeeds and the mayor level modern city simulator that I know and love will be freed from EA forever.

[hamsterTK 93]

I think people who are so upset about the negative reaction arent understanding the root of it

to use another food analogy, this is how I see it:

Simcity is like Jack in the Box. So you go to jack in the box one day and your really really hungry and in the mood for a Jumbo Jack. So you order your food, pay, grab the bag, and run out of there. 5 minutes later your back at home, and when you open the bag, you dont find a Jumbo Jack...you find Tacos....

So when you go back to the place to complain and get your money back, the manager tells you "well why are you mad, you still got Jack in the Box food, tacos are something different, have an open mind"

But you arent happy. You wanted a burger but instead you got tacos. They might both be Jack in the Box, but what does that matter?

Who cares if its called "simcity" and it vaguely looks a game where you might build cities. We wanted a city builder game, not this...thing.....

But then in the end, its not a big deal. Just like if Jack in the Box rips you off you can go next door to Burger King, simcity players can continue to enjoy SC4 and maybe move onto the next iteration from the city life people

[baertooth 330]

More like a branding analogy for me, but very well done hamsterTK. And yes, I have the option to move on and as such I am supporting Urbs Urbis. Still, I don't think Urbs Urbis will ever replace Simcity the same way even if it does succeed, it's the recipe for me that matters. When I want a Big Mac, I don't want to settle for a Jumbo Jack.

PS: Don't eat either, you'll live longer.

[Robstersfive 0]

For pete sake stop with the food analogy and analogy altogether lol

also im curious whats this Urbs Urbis i keep hearing about? is there a link to this? any info be great thanks

If you go to the main forum there was a 9min video and in that they said if this simcity does badly they will do simcity 5...they didn't say simcity 5 in them exact words but they said they will go back what simcity was again, I think there just experiementing personally...if anything we should blame simcity 4 for not being accessable to play for everyone! This is why in my view the real simcity died a long time ago back in days of simcity 3000 possibley even sc2000 for some.

I think thats why im not as angry as you guys about it anymore, I played sc4 a lot and I built some great cities and regions but it never had that feel that sc3000 gave me.

SC3000 truely reach the peak of simcity franchise....sc4 was overly complex to the level where now they've had to start again in order make it sell as a "game"

The new simcity sounds like a fun game and at the end of the day this is what games are for...for fun and entertainment, for anyone to pick up and play. I really think there just experimenting with what they can do, plus a lot of it already has already been done in simcity 1-4 and these other city games that now copy it...this 5th installment is something new and its 3d at last

They even said in the video that if this is a popular game they are still considering maybe making this a spin off to simcity and still give us the simcity we still want! so I really think people should calm down, just wait until spores is over with i suspect we hear something then, plus like i said before I think if they don't release something now the franchise be forgotten and if they did the same game again it not going to sell or be popular, just be another sc4...don't think technology there yet make that 3d and photo realstic hence the rebirth or spin off.

In the meantime we should support the effort and give them ideas for this simcity...Its still 5 months away from release. If not stick with sc4 and stop moaning and your see a true sequel after spores...I would put my money on simcity 5 still happening just not for a long time yet.

This is not first time simcity been made by another company either outside of maxis...it was done with simcity 64 which was also 3D

Im happy to try a new simcity game and still play my simcity 3000 and 4 whenever as well as having new fans to talk to.

I've read all the post and previews, looked at all the videos and reactions etc...I even felt angry at first myself, but once I thought about it and read what others have said plus looked at sc4 again and previous 3 games, Plus what Maxis is doing right now making spores and looking at the progress of that I truely believe EA are doing right thing here now.

I think once the inital reaction is over people will see this as a good step towards a true sucessor game in the future

[Garek Maxwell 1]

Woe to all who compare the great series of Sim City to something so tawdry and sickening as fast food! (And as we all know, SCS isn't a Sim City game, the great SC oracles declared it so.)

True Sim City fans would never make the comparison as they know that SC4 was sacred, above such things as unrealism and "being made for the commoners" as SCS has undoubtedly done.

A more appropriate comparison of the Sim City series would be to something far greater, like a holy text, rather than something you unhealthily consume and throw away like trash. A plague upon all those who masquerade behind the mask of being a Sim City fan! For they have violated the commandments of Sim Fandom!

(Boy that was fun, gotta love satire. )

[DJGspinNhitz 7]

If SC4 was so complete why is it so buggy and needs so much adding on by others? If it is done then release the game codes and let the world have thier way with it. I think EA is out to make a little extra $$$ and maybe sell a few more SC4 game to boot. SC4 Deluxe is down to around $10-15 now and SC3000 is $5-10 now if you look around. SCS is a quick buck that will be bought by SC and SIM fans plus a few new people to hook them on the SIM/SIMCITY game concept and then add new SIMs and SimCity games with add-on pack to rack up $$$$$$$$$$. Reality is that SC isn't alone anymore either Citylife is out there and eventully someone will make a new hit City Simuation game with all the bells and whistle and make a killing, it might even be EA.