Shanghai vs. Dubai

[Urbandogg 0]

So anyone got anything else??

[siso43 13]

Two great Cities, in this World. One begin first with a new poject, and the other build in the cloud.

[harlem123 0]

Sry perhaps its because i

[Cockatoo 2,256]

Whoa, that's a hard comparison!

From what I've seen on TV Dubai looks like an amazing place to visit but personally I don't like buildings over about 90 stories (They can become really ugly and overpowering) and I think Dubai is going to have a lot of those 'super-tall towers soon.

Shanghai only has one super-tall, the Jin Mao? (Unsure of name) and soon the Shanghai World Finance center coming soon and that's really it. For now I think I prefer Dubai but in the future it will become Shanghai.

[NoahJ14 0]

In the end I've gone with Dubai. I think the city is home to some incredible architecture, especially the Burj Dubai when it is finished.

However, I agree with the people who said that Dubai appears to be just one big row of skyscrapers and nothing else. I would definitely like the city more if it looked a bit more like a sprawl.

[patriots_1228 51]

Dubai is soulless. ever heard of too much of a good thing??? its just not right for a city to have 90 supertalls. i think cities should be limited to 2 buildings over 1,500 feet, nothing taller than 2000. I love tall buildings but dubai buildings are going to be too tall. also, dubai has no culture or history, and once the oil runs out/the world stops depending on oil, what will they do???

Shanghai, is much better. it has a lot of tall buildings, but only a few supertalls. my guess is there is more culture than dubai, idk about history. its more of a city, not just a handfull of supertalls coming out of the sand, it actually has suburbs, etc.

[mcprogamer19 0]

I have actually had the pleasure of going to both places.

When I was in Shanghai it was still in the twilight of development so I don't know much about it today.

I did live in China most of my life, I was even born there (Hong Kong), so I am more partial to the culture.

But I would have to say Shanghai because it is a huge culture hub in South China and is a location filled with so much history.

Dubai, was the only nice city in the Middle East besides Jeddah. They were more lenient law wise, unlike neighboring Saudi Arabia. But the Middle East is the earth's "ghetto" and nothing exceptionally good come from the area, only oil and angry immigrants (which isn't exceptional).

[ExiL3 10]

patriots_1228: that is exactly why they are creating a demand now. They know that their oil money will not last forever.  Almost the same as with Norway, the country that I come from. We are saving a lot of the money we get from oil and gas, so that we can use it in the future... also the Norwegian Government is putting a huge sum into industrial science to make a safe future. Though Norway's future is somewhat brighter though, next to all the oil and gas we have a huge amount of coal and probably the worlds 2nd largest occurrence of thorium.

anyway, Shanghai is a HUGE city, and architectural-wise Dubai and Shanghai are two very different cities. I like how some of the designs have turned out in Dubai. I think I'll give Dubai the point, since they really are pushing themselves down there. I'll have to keep an eye on Shanghai and see what they come up with down there.

take care,

[NoahJ14 0]

As ExiL3 said, Dubai isn't whittling it's fortune away for nothing. They are creating the demand now, and also investing in tourism in an attempt to create a secure future. That is why they are going to such big efforts to make Dubai an interesting, big, and attractive place for tourists and residents alike. The three palms currently under construction in Dubai are examples of this. They are glitzy and are an attractive place for most, and when they are completed they will be a massive tourist attraction for all around the world.

[dralin321 0]

Dubai, Shanghai I would have picked but needs to work on the poverty there.

[ExiL3 10]

then again, look at this amazing photo of Shanghai (might be manipulated in any way ):

CLICK FOR FULL SIZE!

take care,

[Micah 16]

Wow! That is awesome! Man, why hasn't anyone BATed that building in the center (what's its name?).

Btw, is that smog in the background?

[bigcityNY 0]

After reading wat ppl have said and im having a hard time not laughing. For all of those who keep saying everything in Dubai is to big WAKE UP! HAvent u ever seen a futuristic movie? Like irobot or anything else set after 2030. Skyscrapers go up which means eventually yes all new buildings will be over 100 floors on average. Dubai is just the first of its kind. Most like i always thought some city would have to break the ice, and possibly in another 10yrs or so when ppl become ajusted to really really tall buidings there will be another race like in the 1930s when i think the chrystler bulding was built all of the other architects wanted to out do each other and thus we have the empire state building. I hate to tell u but the future of skyscrapers is super tall, multi occupation ,into the clouds,and ppl living on different lvls to accomodate the hieght. That is most likely the future and u might want to get used to that idea cause its very posseible.

[ilikehotdogsalot 308]

Originally posted by: Micah Wow! That is awesome! Man, why hasn't anyone BATed that building in the center (what's its name?).quote>

 

it has been batted. Shanghai Oriental Pearl Broadcasting Tower.

[SimFox 802]

Originally posted by: ExiL3 then again, look at this amazing photo of Shanghai (NOT manipulated in any way):

CLICK FOR FULL SIZE!

take care,quote>

 

Only those don't "manipulate pictures at any way" who don't know how! That's first. And Second this picture was heavily "manipulated" and in a quite tacky  way, and not too well either. I can even explain how and where. And PROVE it!

So before you gonna make some absolute claims you should look more carefully!!

And anyway what are you trying to say by making such a claim,  that is apart from revealing to the world that you don’t know how digital photography, heck ANY photography works? All those claims of “real” pictures are really funny…

What really matters is the resulting picture!  Is it good or bad, Does it work? Does it tell the story? Does it evoke in viewer feelings and emotions author had intended? These are criteria to judge by.

As per "subject" of this thread however childish it is:

Shanghai (click to see picture in intended size)

Dubai:

I rest my case!

[Micah 16]

Thanks so much!

Although I like Dubai (I still dislike King Abdullah's city), I think Shanghai is probably the better city so far since it is a real city. So far, Dubai is just a bunch of skyscrapers along one road.

[patriots_1228 51]

"Originally posted by: SimFox

Only those don't "manipulate pictures at any way" who don't know how! That's first. And Second this picture was heavily "manipulated" and in a quite tacky  way, and not too well either. I can even explain how and where. And PROVE it!

So before you gonna make some absolute claims you should look more carefully!!

And anyway what are you trying to say by making such a claim,  that is apart from revealing to the world that you don’t know how digital photography, heck ANY photography works? All those claims of “real” pictures are really funny…

What really matters is the resulting picture!  Is it good or bad, Does it work? Does it tell the story? Does it evoke in viewer feelings and emotions author had intended? These are criteria to judge by."

quotes being funny^^

doesnt it seem kinda odd that you are going out of your way to rant about somthing as unimportant as that?? does to me. as for the last paragraph, im pretty sure these pictures arent meant to evoke feelings and emotions or tell storys. im pretty sure they are supposed to show us what the city looks like 

micah-yep, that pretty much sums it up. have you ever seen the whole dubai area ?(suburbs, farms, etc." it takes up the amount of area that lower manhatten does! its the smallest metro ive ever seen!

[ExiL3 10]

SimFox: well I am sorry I twisted your nipples, I guess the photo could be manipulated, but the originator said it wasn't so I guess I wanted to believe that. It still is a crazy good looking picture though and it shows Shanghai by night.

I would love if you could show us where and how it was manipulated, and why it is so obvious though. I am no PS wizz, even though I can have used it for some time.

doesnt it seem kinda odd that you are going out of your way to rant about somthing as unimportant as that?? does to me. as for the last paragraph, im pretty sure these pictures arent meant to evoke feelings and emotions or tell storys. im pretty sure they are supposed to show us what the city looks like quote>

good point dude...

take care,

edit: btw, oh so this thread is childish and your behavior isn't?

[patriots_1228 51]

ouch......burned

[SimFox 802]

Exile:

Excuse me... your knickers seem to be in a twist now!

Well it was you who started making so much fuse of "manipulations". You made special point of it, didn’t you? You didn't just posted that picture you had to say that. And since you did I just pointed that it is meaningless particularly because you can’t see all the manipulation particularly to the sky that has been done there. look at the sky and then at the reflections of it on the glass dome of say Customs building or Pudong Congress center - if you remember you physics from school (part of reflections) you'll clearly see what and where and even how was "manipulated". Add to this flatness of “giant red spot” , color of the river (actually that is a reflection of the same sky (where is red there?) All the VERY obvious signs are there! And ANY knowledge of Photoshop is absolutely beside the point!

And yes it is very childish because all these x vs. x threads are absolutely silly as there is NO criteria to do such a comparisons, and because most have very vague idea what is supposedly "discussed". And your response to my post is just a cherry on the top. You’re making claims (pointless in the first place) and then when someone calls the "bluff" get all excited.

And no the point of picture like that isn’t just to show you how something is, cause nothing is like that. And if you don’t see it that’s your loss!

[Jasoncw 11,840]

SimFox's point is that all photographs are made to convey something in particular.  The photographer takes the subject, and makes it look how he/she wants.  What you see in photos is not what something really is, it's what the photographer makes it look like.

So using photos to judge a city can be misinforming.  But then, even visiting a city does not give you a full understanding of the city.  The only way to compare the cities is to live in each of them, for a long period of time, during the same time period, which isn't really possible.

Then you could use statistics to compare the cities, but those are often misleading as well.  If you pick and choose which stats you use to compare, you give different cities edges over the others.  And then there's things like culture and history which can't be quantified. 

But with all that said, Shanghai. 

[Micah 16]

Guys, cool down or I'm closing this thread.

[hamsterTK 93]

Shanghai has been a center of trade for centuries

Dubai was just a town until a decade or so ago

you cant compare them. How about HK vs Shanghai, and Dubai vs. Phoenix?

[ExiL3 10]

I guess I have more photos then;

Click all to view full size (1024x...)

Shanghai:

edit: about the manipulation of the photo: the author mentions that he used HDR technique, which means that there are actual several images merged together to form one.

take care,

[patriots_1228 51]

the first one looks kinda cartoony, but after seeing these pics,i think its safe to say shanghai could destroy dubai in a beauty contest.

[Barook 0]

Originally posted by: Krio  because Dubai spend their money for nothing good. They could help third world countries with that money and stop building empty buildings.quote>

Hmmm, shows how much you know. Arab nations spend a lot of money investing in helping other people. We just don't talk about it.

[Simfan34 11]

Well, remember that Dubai's current period of devlopment isn't over yet.  Once done, it will expand far beyond Sheik Zayed Road. For example:

These are part of the Medinat Al Arab sector of the Dubai Waterfront development

The Burj Dubai is not only a tower, it is an entire complex.

Not to mention Business Bay, Dubai World Central, and the multiple developments in the Jebel Ali Free Zone by Dubai Holdings.

And that picture isn't technically manipulated (a photo-editing software correct word ) but it is in HDR .

So take that, SimFox!

For the sake of it, the above translated in Japanese and back.

This term of the Dubai development is good, remember a still certain thing. Being done, that exceeding the teaching main thing, Zayed Road is distant, it expands. For example: These the part tower Dubai abnormal play of Medinat are the entire mixture which is the sector of the Dubai of the tower shore zone development and that Arabia. Because the headquarters of the world of the business bay and Dubai of free zone of the Jebel ant and many development is not expressed with Dubai possession ones. And the image is not processed technically (the photograph compilation software correct word), but there is a high dynamic range. So simulation take the orphan of that!

[ExiL3 10]

thanks simfan34,

those buildings look great!

well sick is more the right word tho.

take care,

[ilikehotdogsalot 308]

here it what dubai marina look like as of 4 days ago:

[sEAhAwk fAn121 0]

Isnt Dubai building a new airport? thats crazy! they already have like 3!? Dubai really needs to settle down and wait for demand... when oil goes bye bye the city will only have tourism, is that enough to keep a city going? no

ill go with Shanghai... their building because they actually have demand