mipro Barry Sanders Project

[nofunk 1,933]

Jason, the roof looks fantastic! 1001 Woodward is coming along really well, and it's definitely the best roof you've ever made!

I've got an update tonight as well! I have finished my portion of the Music Hall and will be sending it off to Jason for texturing and lighting!

So tell me, how do you like them brick details???

         

[Vlasky 1,803]

Jason, roof looks amazing! And I love those windows by the elevator shaft!

Nofunk, I salute you! What a dedication to details! Marvelous!

[Francis90b 748]

Nolan, this is just breathtaking!

You carefully modelled all of those details, and that's wonderful.Believe me or not i didn't imagine it could turn out so good in the end (even though i knew it was going to be wonderful) !

Jason, i really like your progresses with 1001 woodward.It's really nice to see such an accurate roof!

I can't wait to see what you will do for nightlighting.

[Jasoncw 11,840]

Sgt Pepper:  Thanks!!  I sure am, lol.  I wanted to have the day finished by the end of the weekend but it looks like that didn't happen.

Nofunk:  Thanks!

Vlasky:  Thanks, I'm glad you noticed!  Unfortunately that part of the building isn't very visible in most rotations.  You can't even see the building's main entrance in any of the rotations.

So the beautiful Music Hall is now in my hands for texturing.  I've opened the scene but haven't really done much in it.

But I've worked more on 1001, although there's still work to be done.

[Jack_wilds 550]

Hello jasoncw...

I'm enjoying the progress on this 'L-tower', the roof 'junk' looks so accurate to rl... 1001 woodward looks like a hard subject to do or, it just looks that way...

I find that -Realizing its international modern, just how plain, un-adoring it is, strictly form for the function... does it look so 'stark' in RL, are you makeing a plaza suitable for its modernism, yet offer some relief from its 'harshness' too, and then, where is the entries at, as -its not very obvious... but you already stated why...

The Music Hall is coming along great... I like the brick work up/down, along the windows and around the top of the tower... what is the tower called on a music/arts house -where all the staging is staged etc...

Trust that all is well with you

Jack

ps. how is the "Pinnacle Office Park" -or whatever named you choose, progressing

[gutterclub 2,729]

Both 1001 and Music Hall are absolutely mint, keep it up.

[nofunk 1,933]

Sooo... over in my personal BAT thread I talked about needing to clear my plate so I can move on to bigger and better projects. I was talking about things like this!

Cadillac Tower is a Beaux Arts skyscraper designed by the architectural firm of Bonnah & Chaffee located at 65 Cadillac Square in downtown Detroit, Michigan. The building's materials include terra cotta and brick. It was built in 1927 as the Barlum Tower and has 40 floors, including two below ground. At the top of the tower is a tall guyed mast for local radio station WJLB. It was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 2005.

(You may have to scroll to see the entire building -- it's kind of absurd!)

[nofunk 1,933]

page flip?

[Francis90b 748]

After seeing the cadillac tower i think i t's a good thing you have decided to clear your non BSP project list...

It's a really striking building, having many features that weren't common in 1920's skyscraper of that scale, and would be a impressive addition to any city!

The overall architecture of Cadillac tower does strongly remind me about a building that stood nearby-The cadillac square building:

You can see that they have some features in common, even if they're quite different buildings.

I'd like to point youto the website where i did learn about that building, which is also a very good website to look at if you're interesting into knowing more detroit buildings and their history-BuildingsofDetroit.com.

So, if you're interested in knowing the story of this building and looking at some photos of it, go here.

Hope you BSP members will forgive me for that little rambling...but i couldn't help it !

Well, hope this was interesting.

[wolverine 12]

Cadillac Tower is looking great. The game does not have enough of these type of buildings

[SimHoTToDDy 2,938]

Perhaps I never realized how much Cadillac Tower dominates the surroundings, being as tall and relatively narrow as it is. Definitely one of the taller buildings in the BSP portfolio It is coming along very well. I wonder if you are going to include a wall ad, and if so which. Oh the possibilities!

Francis: Thanks for the link! There are a few buildings I was interested in prior to seeing those articles and the ones that were covered were very useful, particularly with the older images. The Neo-Gothic crown on The Cadillac Square Building is simply wonderful, it is a shame there isn't more left in the city.

In the mean time, I finally got around to LOTing my pet monolith! Of course, I would still like to let someone else play with it, but I think I have nailed down the big ideas. I'm really no good with LE, so this isn't perfect.

The only issue is that all the maxis cars I added are not showing up on the lot plus there are some overlays that I probably should change, but its all good. At least I don't have to export it again!

the modding on this thing is scary, seriously. Just plopping it into PIM resulted in over 44k jobs with crime and pollution to match! Well, at 11x7, what do you expect?

[Aaron Graham 4,417]

nofunk- Looks great.

SimHoTToDDy- looks great aswell.

[T Wrecks 10,209]

Well, I hope you are using the car prop family 0x0000003d - in this case, it would be normal that the cars appear and disappear, depending on what time of day it is. If you're using the Extra Cheats DLL, you can use a cheat to manipulate the time of day.

As for the number of jobs, 44,000 is certainly too high, and excessively high pollution figures should, of course, be avoided as well. 11x7, you say? I'll have a look at my trusty old stats spreadsheet and see what I would have done with such a monster. I'm already using some of marcszar's industrial BATs, so at least I have something to compare.

[SimHoTToDDy 2,938]

I might just have to use one of mikeseith's car prop packs instead of maxis, then I'll need to look for your post where you explain how to make families. The trouble is trying to get a "stock yard" of finished vehicles that are all the same body type but may differ in paint color. The stock yard cars were non-family props or regular maxis cars, while the employee parking used the family you mentioned.

It's alright to have 40s pickups and other mismatched cars for the employee parking, but not for the production lot.

[hotChocolate 95]

I don't understand even a bit of BATting, not to mention 3d modelling, but I do know something: this looks A-W-E-S-O-M-E.

Whatever it is.

[Jasoncw 11,840]

Cadillac Tower:  Looking good! 

Fisher Body 21:

You know, it's big, but in that screenshot, it doesn't really look THAT big to me.  It's not very tall, and not particularly deep, just really wide.  But certainly it must be the biggest industrial BAT ever made, right?

I think an ad (maybe seasonal props?) on the side of Cadillac Tower is a good idea.  I think there are still ads there today, but in the late 90s there were some sports related ads that became semi-landmarks.

From what's visible in the screenshot, the lot looks good. 

44,000 jobs is a huge amount of jobs, even for a building of that size.  I think whatever statistics and best-fit curve was made falls apart at really extreme situations like this one.  I also wonder about the crime, since there's a crime bug for really big lots, although I don't recall the specifics.

Jack_Wilds:  I don't think the building looks stark.  It has bold black granite, and I think in that way it's visually rich.  1001 is a bold, vertical, thin tower and it (and I'd say along with One Woodward Avenue in the background) really enhances the photo below, not detract from it.  The yellow Sprint advertisement on the other hand...   But I think this photo really captures what Detroit skyscrapers are all about.

The building doesn't really have much of a plaza, it's on a triangular lot, and the "plaza" is just the area inside the L.  There's a planter with some trees, and then some flagpoles.  The entrances are easy to see from the sidewalk.  I don't think the facade of the building relates very well to the human scale on the ground floor, but I think unfortunately the same thing can be said about the ground floor of pre-war bank headquarters, and at least at 1001 Woodward the windows are low and you can look into the banking hall while you walk by.  I'd prefer that the banking hall/lobby was more miesian, like One Woodward Avenue or Chase Tower.  But other than that I don't have any complaints about the building.

The glass building was named 'Gardener Center" and I exported it, I just need to make some lots and send it to nofunk for modding.

[Jack_wilds 550]

Hey Jasoncw

Thanks for the thoughts and picture, I can relate to what your doing, better... as you have qualified my meaning in 'stark' as "...bold, vertical, thin tower..." there isn't much to add, as it is that International modernist tower so typical of that design era... such structures are few here in Wisconsin.

As for the granite I have always liked that kind of material to use as fascia... and then you also addressed the 'human factor' as I was wondering how it looked street level... was the structure shoehorned into the triangular lot? as that may explain the lack of human scale -courtyard, better entry, the developers ran out space... but whatever -it is for what it is, and I like your project as its given me some pause for thought, trust I didn't come across wrong as I wasn't bashing anything, just trying to picture something I've never seen.

The closest I've been to Detroit was the airport, in-n-out hi and good bye sort of thing... I have relation that live around the Battle Creek area and the Cadillac area too. Then to boot, a vivid dream concerning Detroit and its downtown, as I was a whole lot wealthier, there on business with a car maker and the whole Detroit-land's economy was in a full blown 'boom-town' building boom and Hollywood set up office there and it had a name as 'Hollywood North", and industry had a deep breath of new life buzzing with activity... dreams I tell ya

Jack

[LivingInThePast 364]

@jack wilds: Actually, the airport isn't even Detroit proper. I've been there too.

I recently (ok, not so recently) about Detroit and how the car industry essentially poisoned the town. They showed this theater and how it transformed into a parking garage, leaving much of it ruined yet intact.

[rawr APPLES 15]

I recently (ok, not so recently) about Detroit and how the car industry essentially poisoned the town. They showed this theater and how it transformed into a parking garage, leaving much of it ruined yet intact.quote>

Ah, the Michigan Theater. Such a tragedy it is. 

[fabricio83tst 27]

Nice roof a theater or a parkway it is???Really tragedy!!

[mcarch 15]

It looks ruined... however, with restoration the ceiling could be fantastic again. Such a pitty.

[Gn_leugim 853]

well, if it a bank then it makes sense.. /facepalm you are making a good job, as usual

NoFunk, some dirty bricks with some weathered advertisements would look awesome I think

[Simbourgeois 139]

One shudders at such barbary... Sad, sad, sad...

It looks even more striking when you see how it looked back then...

Best regards,

Simbourgeois

Mayor of Belleville

[Gn_leugim 853]

god, how tha hell it turned that way?

[Vlasky 1,803]

modern day barbarism!!!

[Z1x2c3v4b5 0]

^^It got that way because it lost all of its patrons, and was abandoned like much of Downtown Detroit.

[SimHoTToDDy 2,938]

Did a little more work on Standard Forge Co. Added the front facades of the "addition" buildings and tacked on some walls and other bits here and there. Still (obviously) needs a few walls and details, but the bulk of the work is done.

Here is a cool old picture I found of the Rivertown area in the 1930's. Looking west from E Grand blvd, the bridge to Belle Isle is out of frame directly to the bottom left. The buildings I have made on Franklin Street are in there somewhere in the gray blur at the top center of the image

Apparently it was taken during a American Legion parade.

[Amthaak 1,501]

Very promissing! Very goog work ( as usual..!)

[nofunk 1,933]

The only thing that's really surprising about the Michigan Theater is that the ceiling is still there. If it's ironic or symbolic, it's only because people want it to be. Theaters and historic buildings in many cities have given way to parking garages and lots; the only difference is most were simply demolished. One could argue that it's actually laudable that the owner of the Michigan Theater saved this beautiful ceiling -- where else can you park your car beneath such grandeur?

I always think it's funny when people talk about this with such disdain: the only reason why anyone can is because it's still there. If it had simply been knocked down and replaced with a garage, nobody would be crying foul.

To give a little history: at one time, Detroit had more theater seats than any US city after New York. In fact, it may still hold that title. I hate to use the phrase, but theaters were a dime a dozen in Detroit. It is unfortunate that the Michigan Theater closed, but we still have the Fox, the State (a.k.a. the Filmore), the Music Hall, the Gem, and the Majestic (and I'm only counting the big ones here), not to mention a big handful that are currently mothballed but could be rehabbed.

I'm certainly not trying to call anyone out or get on anyone's case for this, but I always find it a little contrived when people point to pictures of the Michigan Theater and use it to build a story about the fall of Detroit or the rise of the automobile or whatever. The theatre had been closed for years and was in disrepair. It could just as easily have been demolished. Would a slab of concrete been better?

[editfish 0]

These are coming along nicely. The roof looks so...gritty.