City of EDMONTON

[Boopster 0]

Hay great job on Evergreen keep up the great work

[TheJerseyDevil73 13]

 

[TheJerseyDevil73 13]

This was originaly a request by abcd. There is alot that needs done in downtown. This is the far west end of downtown which is all appartments that line the top of the river valley.

I'm re-showing an article that includes this area. Its facing east while the SimCity picture is facing north. Again alot of work is needed in this area...but as requested here is a sneak peak.

[Cypherus21 0]

Awesome work! It's almost scary that most of your in-game screenshots look too similar to the real-life screenshots of the particular Edmonton locations you're focusing on.

[robpark 0]

Superb recreation of Edmonton...You must be truly dedicated to this project.

It would be nice to see a recreation of Calgary, Alberta's largest city, not to mention the seat of the financial and oil sectors, and see it placed next to Edmonton to recreate the economic corridor. Too much work, I know....

Oh, and to stir up the age-old rivalry, although both cities have their good points, Calgary is definately the superior city . For those who don't believe, and I am sure there are a lot of you, check out the article that appeared in USA Today on Nov. 10, 2004 Calgary Leaves Cowtown Image in the Dust. If you can't find a copy, I can email you the details.

Adios amigos..

[TheJerseyDevil73 13]

Well it was bound to happen to have someone from Calgary come onto this CJ and bring up the rivalry and say there city is better. Edmonton and Calgary have an ugly past with most in each city hating the other. Well here are some things for Simtropolis fans to view. Perhaps they have an opininon?

 

Stanley Cups - Edmonton 5, Calgary 1

Grey Cups (CFL) - Edmonton 11, Calgary 5

SkyScrapers - Edmonton 226, Calgary 209

Population - Calgary 1,016,000 , Edmonton 1,003,000

Stadiums - Edmonton (Commonwealth Stadium) 70,000, Calgary (McMahon Stadium) 36,000

Arenas - Edmonton (Rexal Place) 17,100, Calgary (Pengrowth Sattledome) 17,036

 

Other Attractions

 

Edmonton has

-North Americas largest Park System

-The Worlds largest mall

-The Worlds largest indoor water park

-Fort Edmonton (Canada's largest historical recreation)

-Edmonton Space and Science Center

-Mutart Conservatory

-Larger and higher ranked University

-Is the Capital of Alberta

 

Calgary has

-Winter Olympic Park

-Calgary Zoo

-Mountains within an hours drive (3hrs for Edmonton)

-Newer Downtown

-A better LRT system

 

Sports Events held at each city

 

Edmonton has/had

-1978 Commonwealth games

-2001 World Track and Feild Championships (3rd Largest event in the world)

-World Cup of Triathalon

-Canadian Soccers home feild

-2003 Heritage Classic

-2001 World Cup of Swimming

-2005 World Masters (20,000 Athletes (Athens had 16,000)).

-Edmonton Indy - Cart Racing (one of 3 races in Canada)

 

Calgary

-1988 Winter Olympics (4th Largest event in the world).

 

Most Calgarians bost that there city has the financal district due to oil and they do. But Edmonton is a blue color city with most of the oil industries workes coming from here. They also like to say there city is bigger and it is by 0.1%....just huge lol. Plus by 2010 Edmonton will pass Calgary in population. Edmonton holds many more world events and concerts then Calgary due to having much better facilities. I could go on...And honestly I tried being fair to Calgary which is a great city but I often fail to see what it has on Edmonton. True its downtown is taller and newer, but Edmonton sits several hundred ft up on a huge river valley full of parks which I find to be nicer. Calgary's bow river is closer to the mountains so it isnt the river the North Saskatchewan is.

I don't know you tell me.....

 

[U_W 0]

I love rivalries between cities. And dude, you also might want to compare that rivalry with that of Toronto (English Canadian city) and Montreal (French Canadian city).
Other than the rivalry, you're doing a great job with Edmonton, with the realism and all that. Keep it up.

[robpark 0]

Hahaha, yeah dude, I couldn't resist stirring the pot!

First of all, I wouldn't say our past is ugly, let's just say....colourful.
Now, lets get into some facts.

Firstly, let's deal with population:
According to Statistics Canada in 2001:
City of Calgary-878,866, % Growth 14.4%
City of Edmonton-666,104, % Growth 8.1%

Which leads me to my second point, which questions how Edmonton will exceed the population of Calgary by 2010, if in 2001 you guys were already 200,000+ behind AND had just over half the growth rate of Calgary. You can't be smaller, and growing slower and EXCEED an already larger and faster growing city...It is mathematically impossible.

Then one brings up the Stanley Cup issue...and yes, Edmonton has had more. And honestly, the Edmonton Oilers have had better management and a better team when they weren't winning the cup. That said, I feel sorry for ANY municipality that has only hockey to promote itself. And yes, after the Calgary Flames made their run to the cup LAST year, this city went nuts over hockey.... BUt it isn't all we can see...in fact it is so inconsequential to the city in general, that I don't understand why it is such a big deal. Same goes for the CFL.

I feel the need to point out that Commonwealth Stadium, although bigger, also cost more to build and has never paid itself off, nor does it fill with fans for Eskimos games, so the fact that it is large merely points to a city that spent far too much money on a stadium that rarely gets filled.

I don't know where you get your numbers from in regards to the arenas, I can only assume you are correct. Neither arena is particulrily nice, although the Saddledome features nifty flamethrowers that make giant fireballs when the Flames score. Although the Saddledome is architecturally bizarre, it is MUCH nicer to look at than Rexall PLace.

Congratulations, that concrete swath of destruction that is West Edmonton Mall is your city's greatest claim to fame...That's like telling people to go to Edmonton to see the world's largest Walmart, or perhaps the world's ugliest fat person. Sorry, the world's ugliest money-losing fat person. The only reason that Calgary's and Edmonton's river valleys are undeveloped is not because people needed a park to play in; the simple fact is the developers and the City are too lazy to try and develop the more difficult geography. I can without reservation say, however, that Edmonton's river valley is MUCH nicer.

Heritage Park is Calgary's answer to Fort Edmonton and is Canada's Largest living Historical Village. Want to know more, go to www.heritagepark.ca I have never been to Fort Edmonton, so I cannot criticize, but I do know for a fact that Heritage Park is a lot of fun and has a lot to offer, like a working steam train (actually, several) and a working Paddle Steamer boat (which sadly, is fuelled by diesel). Calgary too has a Science Centre, Art galleries and museums, and a cultural district to waste your time in.

I really don't care about the University rating system. The fact is the U of A does not offer any Urban or Architectural programs, so it is completely useless to me. Each university has its strengths, it is just unfortunate that MacLean's, for some reason, classifies U of C as a primarily medical school, when in fact more people go through engineering, law and other faculties. One thing is for certain, you want a cushy job in the oil sector, you had better go to U of C!

I could give you the FULL history of how Edmonton became the capital of Alberta, but needless to say it involved LIBERAL politics and unfair voting boundaries, giving Edmonton 7 or 8 Reps and Calgary only 1. Let's just say we got our revenge when the Alberta Government placed the government administrative body for the oil industry in Calgary in 1938. Basically, when oil was struck in Leduc, just south of Edmonton, all of the money and the white collar jobs went to Calgary, a trend that continues today.

Indeed Calgary has COP (Canada Olympic Park), the Zoo and a newer downtown (because we have been growing faster then Edmonton)... We have a more COMPREHENSIVE LRT system, but I would not say it is better. The decision to leave the LRT surface level through downtown will inevitably lead to complications later......

Calgary was the proud host of the 1988 Winter Olympics, the most successful and profitable games ever held. The surplus now fund countless amateur sports programs and Calgary is the training mecca for olympic athletes in Canada. Calgary has all of the premier horse showjumping events, the Calgary Stampede (for some reason missing from your previous list, and MUCH bigger and famous than Edmonton's Klondike days), the World Police and Fire Games, staging ground for the G8, countless Petroleum expos and more millionaires per capita than ANY city in Canada. Calgary also features the most Company HQs outside of Toronto and has received international recoginition in countless publications (USA Today[a full feature article all about how awesome Calgary really is], The Boyd Report [best place in Canada to do business], The Economist [more business stuff] and so on.....).

Yes indeed we are the financial and oil capital of the province. The population is MUCH higher than Edmonton, and much wealthier. Calgary has been, for the last decade, the fastest growing city in Canada and continues to play host to the highest educated work force in Canada (58% have a university degree or better).

To TJD, I would love a link to where you obtained the skyscraper info from. I would find it very informative for a paper I am writing....

Put on your gloves boys, because if I know anything about the rivalry between Calgary and Edmonton...this is just beginning...

Take Care!

[feepa 0]

Date: 12/5/2004 8:11:18 PM
Author: robpark
Hahaha, yeah dude, I couldn't resist stirring the pot!

First of all, I wouldn't say our past is ugly, let's just say....colourful.
Now, lets get into some facts.

Firstly, let's deal with population:
According to Statistics Canada in 2001:
City of Calgary-878,866, % Growth 14.4%
City of Edmonton-666,104, % Growth 8.1%

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Your Stats are almost 4 years old first off.
Secondly, you are only looking at Edmonton proper, and not the surrounding area.
Go look for some more stats.

Date: 12/5/2004 8:11:18 PM
Author: robpark

Which leads me to my second point, which questions how Edmonton will exceed the population of Calgary by 2010, if in 2001 you guys were already 200,000+ behind AND had just over half the growth rate of Calgary. You can't be smaller, and growing slower and EXCEED an already larger and faster growing city...It is mathematically impossible.

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see my above comments

Date: 12/5/2004 8:11:18 PM
Author: robpark

Then one brings up the Stanley Cup issue...and yes, Edmonton has had more. And honestly, the Edmonton Oilers have had better management and a better team when they weren't winning the cup. That said, I feel sorry for ANY municipality that has only hockey to promote itself. And yes, after the Calgary Flames made their run to the cup LAST year, this city went nuts over hockey.... BUt it isn't all we can see...in fact it is so inconsequential to the city in general, that I don't understand why it is such a big deal. Same goes for the CFL.

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fine

Date: 12/5/2004 8:11:18 PM
Author: robpark

I feel the need to point out that Commonwealth Stadium, although bigger, also cost more to build and has never paid itself off, nor does it fill with fans for Eskimos games, so the fact that it is large merely points to a city that spent far too much money on a stadium that rarely gets filled.

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You obviously dont know that the pride of the CFL lives here. We fill our stands more then any city in Canada for CFL football. We have also made the CFL playoffs for the last 26 years.

Date: 12/5/2004 8:11:18 PM
Author: robpark

I don't know where you get your numbers from in regards to the arenas, I can only assume you are correct. Neither arena is particulrily nice, although the Saddledome features nifty flamethrowers that make giant fireballs when the Flames score. Although the Saddledome is architecturally bizarre, it is MUCH nicer to look at than Rexall PLace.

Congratulations, that concrete swath of destruction that is West Edmonton Mall is your city's greatest claim to fame...That's like telling people to go to Edmonton to see the world's largest Walmart, or perhaps the world's ugliest fat person. Sorry, the world's ugliest money-losing fat person. The only reason that Calgary's and Edmonton's river valleys are undeveloped is not because people needed a park to play in; the simple fact is the developers and 'the City' are too lazy to try and develop the more difficult geography. I can without reservation say, however, that Edmonton's river valley is MUCH nicer.



Heritage Park is Calgary's answer to 'Fort Edmonton' and is 'Canada's Largest living Historical Village.' Want to know more, go to www.heritagepark.ca I have never been to Fort Edmonton, so I cannot criticize, but I do know for a fact that Heritage Park is a lot of fun and has a lot to offer, like a working steam train (actually, several) and a working Paddle Steamer boat (which sadly, is fuelled by diesel). Calgary too has a Science Centre, Art galleries and museums, and a cultural district to waste your time in.

I really don't care about the University rating system. The fact is the U of A does not offer any Urban or Architectural programs, so it is completely useless to me. Each university has its strengths, it is just unfortunate that MacLean's, for some reason, classifies U of C as a primarily medical school, when in fact more people go through engineering, law and other faculties. One thing is for certain, you want a cushy job in the oil sector, you had better go to U of C!

I could give you the FULL history of how Edmonton became the capital of Alberta, but needless to say it involved LIBERAL politics and unfair voting boundaries, giving Edmonton 7 or 8 Reps and Calgary only 1. Let's just say we got our revenge when the Alberta Government placed the government administrative body for the oil industry in Calgary in 1938. Basically, when oil was struck in Leduc, just south of Edmonton, all of the money and the white collar jobs went to Calgary, a trend that continues today.

Indeed Calgary has COP (Canada Olympic Park), the Zoo and a newer downtown (because we have been growing faster then Edmonton)... We have a more COMPREHENSIVE LRT system, but I would not say it is better. The decision to leave the LRT surface level through downtown will inevitably lead to complications later......

Calgary was the proud host of the 1988 Winter Olympics, the most successful and profitable games ever held. The surplus now fund countless amateur sports programs and Calgary is the training mecca for olympic athletes in Canada. Calgary has all of the premier horse showjumping events, the Calgary Stampede (for some reason missing from your previous list, and MUCH bigger and famous than Edmonton's Klondike days), the World Police and Fire Games, staging ground for the G8, countless Petroleum expos and more millionaires per capita than ANY city in Canada. Calgary also features the most Company HQs outside of Toronto and has received international recoginition in countless publications (USA Today[a full feature article all about how awesome Calgary really is], The Boyd Report [best place in Canada to do business], The Economist [more business stuff] and so on.....).

Yes indeed we are the financial and oil capital of the province. The population is MUCH higher than Edmonton, and much wealthier. Calgary has been, for the last decade, the fastest growing city in Canada and continues to play host to the highest educated work force in Canada (58% have a university degree or better).

To TJD, I would love a link to where you obtained the skyscraper info from. I would find it very informative for a paper I am writing....

Put on your gloves boys, because if I know anything about the rivalry between Calgary and Edmonton...this is just beginning...

Take Care!

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If you love Calgary so much, why dont you start your very own CJ on how much you love your city, Instead of trying to turn this into some sort of rivalary. TJD has done alot of work over a long period of time. There are much better places where you can thrash Edmonton, I think both cities are great. Alberta is wonderful.
Have you considered trying to make your own version of Calgary? Maybe next year, you can win a trixie.

[ElectroClash 0]

Nope you guys are both wrong! the best city is obviously: Saskatoon!

Have any ideas on how to do the west mall? thats going to be interesting. Maybe youve heard, there is plans that pyramid co. is going to expand our carousel center in Syracuse, New York. Making it the DestiNY USA. Larger than the mall of america, biggest in U.S. still a little smaller than your west mall.

Hey jersey devil, i need your help. Can you please tell me how you post multiple pics like that? how do you have the pictures hosted on the site? I read the sticky posts at the top of the page and understand the guidlines but how do you actually host multiple pics and put messages inbetween?

[vidioman 21]

In the end, Edmonton is the capital They could kick Calgary out or something!

 

At least you guys don't go at it like Toronto and Vancouver. TO and VC is like EDM vs Calgary on steroids

[jayman68 1]

Well thanks for your opinion robpark. Anything else you'd like to pontificate on before we get back to the subject of the thread? We're all anxious to get back to it if you're done.
You go a long way to show everyone how petty you are.

[TheJerseyDevil73 13]

Wow....this will end after this post. For one this is a city journal not a debate. I was surprised to see these replies after coming home from work.

 

Robpark :

For one your stats are old. And Edmontons population is for its region which includes many suburbs like St. Albert and Sherwood park and so on. If you only went on the cities populations places like Boston would only have 581,000 instead of its regional 5,815,000. The fact is Edmonton is many cities when Calgary is only 1.

 

For my stats on the skyscrapers there from Skycrapers.com also known as Emporis.com and the stats are of completed skyscrapers not total which Edmonton nears 300. The fact is Calgary does have many commercial buildings while Edmonton has many residential skyscrapers that line our river valley. Here our links to proove what I've said.

Edmonton http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/?id=100995

Calgary http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/?id=100992

(I  know there it says Edmonton region 990,000....but it has recently been reported the Edmonton area has passed 1million).

 

As for Commonwealth Stadium.....next to the SkyDome nothing in Canada is as good. The fact is it is has higher attendances on average then your stadium can even hold with some CFL games topping 60,000. All my stats on areanas and stadiums where searched before posted aswell. Commonwealth Stadium has hosted many large events. Many don't know the World Track and Feild Championships well....but next to the World Cup and the Summer Olympics it is the worlds largest event. Also again Edmonton will have 20,000 athletes here (4000 more then Athens). What can I say Commonwealth is well utilized. At times getting 50,000 plus for womens under 19 soccer lol. One other note on sports, Edmonton as a city has the most current NHL'ers and most NHL'ers of all time from our city...Currently I believe its like 24 to 7 for Edmonton vs Calgary in NHL products....you do enjoy Iginla don't you. I have played hockey with him in the summer...after all this is his home.

 

Some also may ask why is it Edmonton beat out Calgary for the new Canadian stop in Cart racing. As for hosting events I could go on. We in Edmonton don't care for the rodeo...Calgary loves it....why is it Edmonton still holds the Canadian Final Rodeo each year? We are holding the Brior again this year. We just had the Juno's, we just had the Country Music awards aswell....earlier I didn't want to go into detail but I could write a list half a page long of events we've got, many of them beating out Calgary to host them. This is due to our venues vs yours.

 

As for saying West Edmonton Mall is a swath of destruction. That makes me wonder if your still in your mid to early teens. The fact is its Albertas number one attraction by far. It has a larger economy then Canada's smallest province (Prince Edward Island). And yes it does look like a mall from the outside. But inside having hotels, amusement park, water park, submarines, arena, animals, tons of clubs, a casino, and alot more...its just not some place to shop. It in a hand full has more attrations then your city has at anytime in total. West Edmonton mall is expanding aswell....a zoo, 8000 seat arena, 10 story office tower and 10 story appartment tower. It also provides 23,000 jobs.

 

You did agree Edmontons river valley is much nicer. Hard to argue when its 21 times the size of Central park and lined with recreation threw the heart of a large city.

 

The U of A does have an engineering program. But many take that at NAIT. The U of A is rated very high for Canada and also rakes in a ton of Championships in sports each year. Both mens and womens hockey being the most notable.

 

As for an LRT ours is expanding and we had the first subway west of the mississippi but again yours has many more stops at the moment.

 

As for your Olympic park. Its great to have for any city but kiss your reconition good bye. Vancouver 2010

 

Any other stats you want I can back up. Also this is a small fraction of things I could bring up. Perhaps robpark leave one more post to close this. This is a City Journal on my recreation. Not a place to debate. I would be glad to start an entire thread on this subject if you would like.

 

[Meg 368]

Date: 12/5/2004 11:45:45 PM
Author: TheJerseyDevil73

This is a City Journal on my recreation. Not a place to debate. I would be glad to start an entire thread on this subject if you would like.

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Agreed. This is about TJD's cool CJ. If you guys want to debate about cities, take it elsewhere.

[MTLT_17 27]

Hey Dan,

I was just wondering If you could show me a few things in your region?

First would be a pic of some of the overpasses in the region. I want to see how you have made them.

Also A picture of the North-West Industrial area. I want to see how well you recreated it as it is hard to do it with the way SC4 makes the buildings grow.

Thanx,

Marshall

[robpark 0]

Alright, one more post as requested, and then we'll call it quits...However, I am somewhat saddened by the fact that people who are obviously interested in the mechanics of cities/urban regions would poo poo a little hearty discussion...Nevertheless, in respect of others' feelings I will wrap this up.

First off, StatsCan does list figures for urban regions...I am weary to use them simply because Calgary is the only Canadian city that is considered whole in itself..in other words, where Edmonton has many bedroom communities around it, Calgary is considered an entity unto itself. This information comes straight from Max Foran (attended a lecture of his) a noted expert on the history of Alberta. I use 2001 Statistics simply because those are the latest concrete numbers from Statscan..
The 2001 numbers for a CMA(Census Metropolitan Area)are:
Calgary- 951,395, % Growth=15.8% 5083 Square Kms
Edmonton- 937,845, % Growth=8.7% 9418.62 Square Kms

As you can see, Calgary's pop is still slightly higher, and the growth rate still twice as high, even though its CMA is half the size. If Calgary's CMA was comparable to Edmonton's and reflected cities that depend on Calgary as their hub, the numbers would be more along the lines of 1,070,833...and I by no means got every city in the area...so the number is likely much higher.....This number includes Okotoks, Airdrie, CHestermere,Cochrane, DeWinton, Fort MacLeod, Turner Valley, Black Diamond, Millarville, High River, Strathmore, Jumping Pound, Balzac, Priddis and more.... I am just showing you with official government stats that Calgary is indeed quite a bit larger than Edmonton, and if you wish to refute these figures, contact Statistics Canada or the Canadian Government...I am not proving Calgary is better with these numbers, just that it is bigger.

As far as the pride of the CFL goes...well...isn't Toronto saying the SAME thing right now...Just a thought....

In response to Feepa on my creating a CJ on Calgary...I have been tempted, very much so...but like TJD, I find myself with little time to work on such a thing, and honestly, do not have the motivation for such pursuits as TJD....He is truly doing a magnificent job and should be commended, as he has been with his Trixie award. My debate here was not to distract nor degrade his work, I simply thought that some people might appreciate a lively discussion now and then. I know I sure do.

I thank TJD for the link to Emporis....I have found that website before and for the life of me couldn't find it again as I could not remember the name....

As far as the CFL and NHL goes...I HATE football, so Edmonton can take the crown for that, really...You guys are likely the better team anyways (at least last year you were!). NHL I enjoy, but am not obsessed with, so again...I refuse to say a city can be better by the quality of its NHL team...The NHL team may leave, but the city still lives.

West Edmonton Mall, however...is a MAJOR hatred of mine. PLease don't mistaken my passion as being juvenile. I am 21 and have been researching Canadian cities for 3 years now. I just simply can't stand the place. It represents the summation of the forces that have destroyed thriving urban places. It signifies the dominance of suburbia and the loss of character of individual places. It is architecturally delapidated (although, I agree that the Galleon pool and European street are nice) and a blight on the landscape. The construction of the mall leached business out of Edmonton's CBD and has caused numerous retail and food service industries in the core to shut down. The mall is an EVIL loss of money that ruins the liveliness and character of the neighbourhoods around it. I am glad no such thing exists in Calgary... Although, there is a plan to build a mall LARGER than West Ed, I hope with all I can hope with, that the plan never gets off the drawing board.

Soccer rocks, kudos to Edmonton....I'll have to catch a game sometime...

I admit the river valley is much nicer in Edmonton, but I also must add that I enjoy waking up to see the Rocky Mountains every morning. Both cities from the expansion of suburban hell and both cities suffer from an infrastructure deficit that is caused directly by government underfunding.

I didn't say U of A doesn't have an engineering program...It does NOT feature any studies in Urban topics nor architectural...so...it isn't even an option for me. My sister is a resident in Edmonton attending U of A, and she loves it, so I can't fault you on that...

Our LRT has many more stops, but because of underfunding and RAPID growth, has not enough cars, so people are treated like cattle...Both cities seem to have penchant for developing gargantuan road networks and ignoring the greater benefits of a comprehensive mass transit program....

Calgary will likely remain a hub for Olympic activity as the facilities are getting an overhaul AND our higher elevation acts a natural performance boost when athletes compete at lower altitudes.

Jayman68...competition and lively debate, when backed up with facts is not petty. It is a means to convey ideas and understand how other people think. Don't knock something simply because you do not understand it. Opinion denotes that the conversation is without fact, whereas I have gone to great lengths to obtain relevant info to back my claims...I dare you to poke holes in my arguments.

Anyhow, this is long enough, and I thank those members who had constructive input. I will likely write a paper on Cities and rivalries at some point, and this forum has been most informative. If you want an irrefutable fact; Calgary and Edmonton are best when they work together, check this out:

http://www.mapleleafcard.info/special%20report/Western%20Tiger_National%20Post_030423.htm

Thank you TJD for the space in your CJ for this discussion, if you wish to further this correspondance (and I invite you to!), you can email me at robpark12@hotmail.com

Good night.

[Boopster 0]

It is actually kind og funny, I would never compare another great City to another great city, to me each city has its own way of shining. It doesn't matter how much it is going to grow or pass each other. Funny I live in niether city, I only live in St.albert. Which is a bedroom city to Edmonton.

[cmduw 0]

Continue that discussion here

[cmduw 0]

Continue that discussion here

[TheJerseyDevil73 13]

MTLT17 :

as requested here are a couple of intersections.

The areas around them are still empty so that is one reseaon why I hesitated to show them. When there filled in with sarrounding areas they come to life.

Also for anyone who doesn't know I don't use NAM. Maybe I'm crazy but I haven't found the need to yet. I'm going to go threw the NAM discussion thread and see if any pics look usefull for my region. Edmonton doesn't have many complicated interchanges so most can be done as so. I have many other styles of intersections I'll be showing. Next time who knows maybe with NAM in hand.

 

Also someone asked how to post multiple pics in a thread. After posting one pic just hit enter and add another picture.

 

Admins, Modds, and Ops!

Please do not delete anyones replies becuase you feel there off topic. I will PM you if I feel there off topic. Any discussion on this page has had to do with The City of Edmonton. I found the discussion to reveal alot of stats for people who don't know them. If you go threw many past pages these are topics I myself have braught up. There is nothing wrong with cmduw talking about what programs the University of Alberta has. If any moderator can place what he has taken the time to reply back I would apprieciate it. Agian if its about Edmonton in any means it is not off topic. I enjoyed talking to robpark about Calgary in Edmonton the only reason I cut that short is I know it could have gone on for ever. robpark was also respectible in what he shared in stats and opinions. None the less thanks for keeping an eye out for the City journal but please let me PM you if I think anything is off the issue. One reason I have this CJ is to show people every or any aspect of my home town.

 

 

[TheJerseyDevil73 13]

I was in the game and seen another common style of intersection I use. The Yellowhead trail and WhiteMud drive have alot of intersections like this. I've shown pics like this before but this is slightly revised implementing the one way off and on ramps.

This picture is Yellowhead Trail and 97th Street.

[TheJerseyDevil73 13]

Whitemud Creek

Located in southwestern Edmonton Whitemud Creek is home to thick forrest and old growth. It has a really nice trail running threw it for mountain biking and hiking. Also it is home to the Snow Valley ski hill. Just a few runs that are a few hundred feet long. But one of a few Ski areas in the city.

[kassarc16 4]

Those look incredible. I've really started to love realism instead of function thanks to your CJ. The overpass looks great.

[Sooner&RiceGrad 0]

O.K. Now why do you have the one way (you get points for that) ROAD.  Often, the best way to go is definately to create a road, and let it bleed out into a street. You place all of this just like you did with your one way road, except the MAJOR advantage here is that your freeway does not stop. You may even want to take it further, and not let them connect, but place them staggered to elimenate left turn B.S.

 

Thankya for yer time,

Nick. 

[brett_131 0]

Great job TDJ..

 

I like these dabates..I would say something, but its all said and done, so i dont see a point..

just a question: Edmontonians generally see Calgary as an equal, bother being major Canadian cities with tons to offer, of course with a slight lean to Edmonton being better

Calgarians see Edmonton as a hole and them being far superior.. Calgary has mountains, Edmonton has the whole river valley (which is going over a HUGE renovation and expansion in the future)..Edmonton has Commonwealth, which actually holds more than Skydome.. Calgary has the Saddledome, which is one of the largest areanas in the NHL.. West Edmonton Mall was a HUGE hinderance to the city about 10 years ago, but now Downtown is undergoing a huge turnover, thousands of people are moving in over the next 2 years..something like 10 buildings are approved or u/c downtown..

 

Edmonton IS growing faster, and i believe the metro pop. will surpass Calgary by 2008 - 2010.. Which will in turn be surpassed by Cal, which will be surpassed by Edm. and so on.

 

Rivalries are fun..

 

Keep it up TDJ.. Send me a map of Callingwood when you layout the roads so i can look over it and tell you where everything is.

 

peace.

[TheJerseyDevil73 13]

Golden West Golf Course

Just another small update....this is one of over 50 Edmonton area golf courses. The Golden West in in the North West Area of the city sarounded by spreadout industry and feilds.

 

This is a picture of lots I use to fill in areas between tracks. Edmonton has several rail yards and along Yellowhead Trail many tracks. So to get the full rail look I tried this. What do you think is better. Empty (grass and rail) look, or the blended track to track look?

[Boopster 0]

Man how do u make an overpass like that??

[TheJerseyDevil73 13]

St.Albert

I began laying roads for St.Albert. Easily the hardest area to recreat in Edmonton. St.Albert is the biggest city outside of Edmonton's city limits. Its very hard to recreate due to having a huge and wide river valley with the small Sturgeon river going threw the city. Building on slopes in SC is very hard. But this is at such a long slope that it hasn't been as bad as I thaught it would or could be.

Here is a region view with the new roads and a map of the area. The red line on the mpa shows where my region ends.

 

 

[wickert III 0]

Very nice city journal, can't wait to see it when you have most of the area's built up, It looks great keep it up!!!

[quito 0]

I'd go with the blended track to track.