Avanine-Commuter

Los Angeles Pros: Beautiful Beaches Beautiful People Beautiful Areas UCLA/USC World-Famous Landmarks Huge variety of entertainment (Hollywood, Beverly Hills, Santa Monica, OC, Downtown (it's getting there!)) Knotts/Disney/Universal Studios all nearby Almost perfect weather San Fran Pros: Clean air! Density Beautiful areas Beautiful views Walkable city Great transportation system Famous landmarks UC Berkeley/Stanford (well, kinda near, not really) Los Angeles Cons: Traffic Smog Huge sprawl Lack of density San Fran Cons: Weather can get iffy (freezing in winter, always foggy, rainy) Tight on space Hilly city, sometimes can be a real pain. More earthquake prone than L.A. (hills, fault line, right by the coast, old buildings) I hope I am pretty accurate. Tell me if I'm missin/messin.

I think Hong Kong is beautiful, but imho SHANGHAI is more visually stunning that Hong Kong's fancy night lights. I love the contrast in Shanghai's buildings, with the Pearl Tower and the modern skyscrapers to the historical British buildings all along the water.... Also it's not as cluttered as many other city skylines or as boxy.... My favorite part would be the two spheres on the Pearl Tower and the sphere from the smaller building right beneath, how they form this strange triangle. so unique, I love it. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i.pbase.com/u16/kmark/large/5307521.CRW_4423_16_NHNN_A_03_A2_100.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.pbase.com/kmark/image/5307521&h=534&w=800&sz=49&hl=en&start=16&um=1&tbnid=MsALXiwP43T35M:&tbnh=95&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dshanghai%2Bskyline%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-USfficial%26hs%3DZAi%26sa%3DN I hope that link works.

As I said before, I live in L.A. and I don't think it's that bad most of the time. BTW if you consider all the suburbs as part of L.A., then we have quite a few good schools-- San Marino High School is top-tier public school, Troy High School, Diamond Bar High School, Walnut High School, etc. The education system is better than A LOT of other cities, and we also have great colleges here (UCLA, USC, Claremont Colleges, Pomona College, Mt. Sac, many Cal States, etc.). Even though the traffic is bad (because of a combination of some stupid exchanges, lack of alternative transportation and sheer volume), navigation is HELLA simple. I don't understand what is so hard about navigating the freeway-- I've had to travel to different cities all the time and I only got lost once (because a section was under construction and I had to take a long detour). The layout is so simple.

Wow, no one mentioned L.A. I'm surprised.

Why should the height of the building matter so much? Both cities are in a building boom now, as with many many other cities (New York, Chicago, Las Vegas especially!) While San Francisco does have more under construction and approved, L.A. is not far behind. Of course, L.A. has smaller projects such as the lofts/apartments/condos because of the demand for inner-city residences, and less skyscraper offices such as San Fran's transbay terminal. L.A. right now is focusing more on building a work live environment than "let's build big buildings", so their projects are concentrated on residential lofts + low rise luxury apartments. L.A. : Construction: Ritz Carlton/ Marriott Convention Center 717 Flower Concerto Hanover Tower Evo LAPD Headquarters LA Live 5 lofts/apartments/condominiums Approved: LA Central Grand Avenue project Herald Examiner Glass Tower plus 29 proposed skyscrapers 10 recently completed buildings/residences. San Francisco: Construction: Millennium Tower at 301 Mission One Rincon Hill I and II 555 Mission 300 Spear Street I and II InterContinental Hotel 690 Market Street 1160 Mission Street 631 Folsom Street Argenta Symphony Towers I Approved: 45 Lansing Street 350 Fremont Street The Californian At Rincon Hill 201 Folsom Street I and II 535 Mission Street 10th and Market 524 Howard Exchange Place One Hawthorne Trinity Project 48 Tahama Street 325 Fremont Street Signature Mission bay plus 19 proposals San Fran has less buildings recently built/construction/approved/proposed overall, but L.A. has smaller buildings being built. There it is.

BTW the O.C. is not even the same county as L.A., let alone the cities (plural, cities) in the O.C. and L.A. I live in West Covina, a suburb of L.A., and I never consider myself living in L.A. It's completely different, like living in a suburb outside of San Fran. You have to DRIVE or take the metro or BART to get into the city, so it's much different than living in a loft or apartment or house IN the city. BTW, what's so wrong with driving? I love sitting in my car, having a good conversation while on my way to L.A., and listening to music or whatever. Walking is great sometimes, but during hot days, cold days, rainy days, etc. it's tedious and tiring, and very limiting. In San Fran, when I went to visit, we walked a lot and it was FREEZING cold, even with two sweaters and a wind breaker (mainly because I wasn't used to the SUPER HIGH winds during winter time). It made it very unenjoyable to walk. L.A., although it gets pretty hot in the summer, has the perfect weather, which is why so many people want to move here. Also, we have the best: ski in the mountains, clubbing in the city, surfing by the beach. All within a day's reach if you're committed enough. The weather is fantastic, and I happen to love driving my prius so I don't mind the suburbs.

Some people here have a very strange vision of what American suburbs are... Or maybe I just don't live in a typical one? I've lived in three (suburban??) cities in L.A.: Monterey Park (this one I don't know... it's so... ghetto-asian it's weird), Hacienda Heights, and currently West Covina. I've visited San Marino, Pasadena, City of Industry, Alhambra, Covina, Glendora, Azusa, Rowland Heights, Diamond Bar, and Walnut a lot, so I really know those areas well. However, none of them really seem like the suburbs you guys are talking about, with McMansions and divisions, except for Diamond Bar and Walnut. Really, all the other suburbs are not developments and really have a community where people actually know each other. My high school, South Hills High School, has a huge list of alumni who own local businesses and help the school, who's sons and daughters all attend the school, and etc. There's a sense of community despite the fact that there's 107k people living in West Covina. The only McMansions I saw were, as I said, in Diamond Bar and Walnut, and in Las Vegas while passing through heading towards the strip. So why is everyone saying L.A. has that sort of sprawl? Is it just because of low-density cities surrounding the city or is it the suburban image that everyone says we have? I don't really see "weeds"(the show) communities that often here. Maybe in the Inland Empire, but not in L.A. surrounding suburbs.

This is so surreal... some awesome buildings are up for the nomination of THE WORST BUILDING IN THE WORLD! We're talking superlatives here: pick a building, one building, you nominate for THE WORST, as in NOTHING WORSE, the ultimate bad, nothing uglier, nothing more hideous, in any situation and in any environment, no-hope, cannot be saved or redesign, just burn it down----- THAT BAD.....and I see some of the best here. *SOB*

Ahhh There we go... Okay so I need help with this; is it even possible?

Didn't there use to be a super-ordinance mod that got rid of things like pollution or garbage? BTW, just asking while I'm here, where do you guys typically do with your garbage? I don't want to build a landfill....

Hi I'm going to attempt to attach a picture to this: So i have a strip of raised land for my ground level freeway, and I need to make a perpendicular onramp. I don't know how. Can someone help? Um.... It says I reached the maximum file limit for attachments, but I didn't even attach anything yet.... Thus the first problem to solve is: How do I attach a picture? Edit: Okay, right after posting this I saw the "this board is not for asking questions" and so would a moderator please be so kind as to move this to the appropriate forum? Sorry and thanks.

That's an interesting post... I had a similar problem but I was confused: My city had a pop. of 5,000. Most of them were R$ or R$$, and after I used the super demand mod, everything's demand went through the roof. So I built a few more commercial buildings, and then I began to expand my suburbs. After a while of zoning and growing, people started to have No Job zots on their lots. I quickly built a commercial area for them to get some jobs, and all they did was abandon! I checked my commuters and there were NONE going to all of my businesses, yet there is still No Job Zots. I don't understand. I thought plopping my city would have fixed it, but I guess it depends on demand too... can anyone point me to a thread about fixing this job/demand problem?

Mixed-use zoning? Have a way to zone residential and commercial together, and when a building develops it can have commercial jobs AND homes. There are many hotels with condominiums in them so that could be mixed use. ALSO pick the shape of the city. WHen creating the city, it shouldn't be a square; what TRUE city is a square? on maps it's always irregular. There should be a choice to select the city boundary. I agree with the district rule; have a historical district, art district, government, business, tech parks, etc. After designating that area, only specific buildings can grow there so you can really create a realistic city with a true Chinatown or Art district without having to plop the hell out of your landmarks menu!

Hi, I've been having some trouble with my cities, and I noticed that many city-journal makes are using ploppables to create the right layout and whatnot. My question is: 1. How do they function? 2. Do the residential commute to work? 3. Do the businesses function correctly? 4.Do I need to worry about demand issues or can I plop all I want? 5. Will there be real people living in my cities? 6. Is it recommended? Thanks for the help!!

Does anyone have the Canadian flag prop for download from the Simcity.ea.com site? I cannot access it.