Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[The British Sausage 5,449]

20 hours ago, catty-cb said:

So last tuesday evening we had one person with delta Covid, country was immediately told to go home and stay home, so 10 days later we now have 347 people with confirmed cases of delta and 19 people in hospital, one of who is in intensive care.

Two thirds of the people with it are under forty and in fact one is only a year old and most of them don't have any pre-existing health issues.

About the only plus side of it is all the plans the government was making for mass vaccination events have all worked and yesterday ninety thousand people got either their first or second dose of the Pfizer vaccine.

Look at Israel which has the highest vaccination rates in the world and it has a raging third wave with a significant portion of deaths (about a third of the rate of the second wave). New Zealand managed for a year and a half of zero (more or less) Covid and that's come to an end. Break out the vaccines, the hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin for those seriously impacted and ride out the wave.

[catty-cb 4,413]

Yes what's happening in Israel is a worry but when you go to have your covid-19 vaccination here in New Zealand it's made very clear to you that vaccine doesn't stop you getting covid or in fact passing it on to someone else what it is doing is stopping you ending up in hospital and/or maybe dying from it and I'm all for the not dying bit so was more than happy to get vaccinated back in April

[Duke87 1,070]

On 8/27/2021 at 7:11 PM, The British Sausage said:

Look at Israel which has the highest vaccination rates in the world

So, this isn't actually true. 61.2% of Israel's population is fully vaccinated, which currently ranks them 30th in the world on this metric and, in fact, just a hair behind the EU average (61.5%). This is per Bloomberg.

What complicates matters for Israel is their population skews younger than other nations do, so they have a larger percentage of their population not yet eligible since no shots have been approved for anyone under age 12 yet.

One also cannot fairly compare reported case incidence without acknowledging that Israel has been performing more tests per capita recently than most other countries have - which, naturally, impacts the reported case counts. Indeed, there are several countries not reporting as many cases per capita whose outbreaks are likely actually worse than Israel's but they aren't testing as much. This includes the US, which has reported about 62% as many cases per capita as Israel in the last 7 days but from only 29% as many tests per capita. (take a gander at some figures here)

 

Meanwhile if any of this is worrying, the crucial thing to remember here is that for diseases like measles, polio, etc. 90+% of the population in any developed nation is likely vaccinated against them. 60-something percent vaccinated may sound like a good number and indeed it's far better than zero, but it's still a long way from 90+%. So the results seen in countries like Israel DO NOT mean the vaccines aren't working - they just mean not enough people have gotten one yet for them to work optimally. Give it time, more people will get jabbed (or get their immunity the hard way), and this too shall pass.

[catty-cb 4,413]

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36 minutes ago, Duke87 said:

Meanwhile if any of this is worrying, the crucial thing to remember here is that for diseases like measles, polio, etc. 90+% of the population in any developed nation is likely vaccinated against them. 60-something percent vaccinated may sound like a good number and indeed it's far better than zero, but it's still a long way from 90+%.

And with diseases like measles they have been vaccinating people against it since 1963, which means that in a lot of cases not only is the current population vaccinated against it but their parents were as well and in a few cases so were their grandparents, so you well and truly have herd immunity.

[AsimPika3172 1,155]

Finally.... I got stupid covid 19 inflection since Monday, becayse of cough, sneeze etc... 😭😭😭😭😭

But don't worry! I already inject 2 dos vaccine Sinovac for tackle the stupid Delta covid! 💉💉💉💉

Please pray us for healthly! 🤲 Wait 14 days until back to normal!

[Ocram's Razr 964]

I'm double vaccinated and not yet due for a booster but I won't get a booster if there are any widespread variants it doesn't protect against. My second dose gave me a fever for multiple days and my mother had an even worse reaction. I would rather go back to isolation than go through what she went through. However, if there is a booster that is effective for Delta through Omicron, I might get it when the time comes.

[catty-cb 4,413]

What vaccine did you have, cos I've now had three doses of Pfizer, and dose three give me a headache for a couple of hours and I was fine after that, and as far as I'm aware Pfizer protects you against all the different strains, thru they still doing tests to see how well it does against omicron, but the experts don't seem to be too worried that there will be any problems

[AsimPika3172 1,155]

Finally! I completely vaccined 3 dos (2 Sinovac and 1 Pfizer)!  Meanwhile, watch out of.... newest OMICRON variant! 😷🦠️

[RobertLM78 1,598]

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[Ocram's Razr 964]

14 hours ago, catty-cb said:

What vaccine did you have, cos I've now had three doses of Pfizer, and dose three give me a headache for a couple of hours and I was fine after that, and as far as I'm aware Pfizer protects you against all the different strains, thru they still doing tests to see how well it does against omicron, but the experts don't seem to be too worried that there will be any problems

I had Moderna. I think I will do Pfizer for my booster.

[Duke87 1,070]

Moderna is the one that wallops people the most since it's a larger dose (about 3x what Pfizer is), though in exchange for this it is possibly slightly more effective. Do note that the Moderna booster shot is a half dose (so, 1.5x Pfizer) and therefore may not hit you as hard.

Myself, I ended up getting a Moderna booster even though my first two shots were Pfizer, just because that was what the pharmacy down the street happened to have that day. It actually didn't hit me as bad as dose 2 did.

 

I wouldn't worry too much about vaccine performance against variants or wait around to see if a tweaked vaccine is deployed before getting a shot (be it your first, second, or third) - thus far, the existing vaccines seem to still work just fine, with maybe modest penalties in efficacy against infection but... importantly, still very effective in preventing severe outcomes. Meanwhile deployment of a tweaked vaccine will take a few months, if it is done, and you don't want to go around less protected/unprotected for that time.

[rsc204 21,867]

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[RobertLM78 1,598]

I guess it's time I bow out of this community then.   Beyond ridiculous that anything going against the TV's narrative would be deleted -- in fact i have much more appropriate words but I don't want to melt any snowflakes.

[RobertLM78 1,598]

10 hours ago, rsc204 said:

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Considering how few companies (it's down to at least 5 corporations last i checked) there are running the media, the only "conspiracy theory" around here is what 5 corporations decide to play (everything else is called "critical thinking" - something severely lacking in the general population these days):

 

[SIM-ple Jack 17,451]

10 hours ago, rsc204 said:

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At last! Some site hoohaw that I'm not involved with or getting blamed for.

6 minutes ago, RobertLM78 said:

I guess it's time I bow out of this community then.   Beyond ridiculous that anything going against the TV's narrative would be deleted -- in fact i have much more appropriate words but I don't want to melt any snowflakes.

That's why I avoided this thread like a "virus".

[RobertLM78 1,598]

1 minute ago, SIM-ple Jack said:

That's why I avoided this thread like a "virus".

I've generally been trying to too, but sometimes I just can't help myself.  This whole plannedemic just pisses me off.