Climate change - Worse than Predicted

[The Evil Octopus Man 25]

By the looks of it, I'll have beachfront property!

[Playa del Carmen 0]

Date: 11/14/2004 8:45:26 PM
Author: vidioman

That's Hudsons Bay Basin! That isn't northern Canada! Edmonton is farther north than most of that I thought you mean Nunavut! Besides, only about 1000 people live in that area, anyway, since it's a giant wetland. Because it is on the Canadin sheild, there is very poor drainage. It's only about 1000 feet of swamp ontop of 8Km thick rock. And the farther north parts are tundra, so there isn't much up there to lose, other than polar bear habitats. Does the site you got that from have any info of the actual north?

-Arviat is the geographic centre of Canada. It is slightly above the top of that image..

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Oklahoma is north to me.

I got it from my professor's pdf file of his PowerPoint presentation or whatever you call it. He got it from the chapter on glaciation in the textbook (Prentice Hall) and they got it from a McGraw-Hill textbook. But there was nothing else in the chapter on glaciation that showed what would happen to the rest of the north.

[vidioman 21]

Well, to call Hudsons Bay northern Canada is funny, since it is farther down than central Canada.

[clindhartsen 5]

That image looks extremely ....... exagerated! Really, who knows what will happen in the next 100 years? Anyway, I don't believe anything near that will happen

[The Evil Octopus Man 25]

Well, at least it'll drown Castro!

[EAGCE 2]

Date:11/14/2004 8:45:30 PM
Author:The Evil Octopus Man

By the looks of it, I'll have beachfront property!

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By the looks of that me too!  I'm very borderline on that map.  So I guess at most I'll just have to move about 20-50 miles if at all. 

Disney World will be underwater.  Can't decide if that is good or bad.  I do like Universal Studios in Florida.  That will be a bummer.  Maybe they can build something around it to turn it into a sunken island.

Is there a map that shows what will happen to the rest of the world like that one?

[burwellian 16]

Date: 11/14/2004 11:45:33 PM
Author: clindhartsen
That image looks extremely ....... exagerated! Really, who knows what will happen in the next 100 years? Anyway, I don't believe anything near that will happen

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Note the image says if present ice sheets melt... That's all of them, including the entire sheet of Antarctica and Greenland.

It may not get that bad within 100 years, but it WILL be nearer to that line then it is now...

[Playa del Carmen 0]

Date: 11/15/2004 4:25:09 AM
Author: JVGazeley

Date: 11/14/2004 11:45:33 PM
Author: clindhartsen
That image looks extremely ....... exagerated! Really, who knows what will happen in the next 100 years? Anyway, I don't believe anything near that will happen

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Note the image says 'if present ice sheets melt'... That's all of them, including the entire sheet of Antarctica and Greenland.

It may not get that bad within 100 years, but it WILL be nearer to that line then it is now...

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Yes. I believe in my notes it says the ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica.

[burwellian 16]

I was emphasising...

[Screwballl 196]

this topic to me is a game of lets see how many uneducated we can scare!
the truth is: the earth goes in cycles. every 12-20000 years it reaches a max point whether it be warming or cooling. We just happen to be getting close to the point of the warming trend. It may max out within the next 100-8000 years and then start cooling off again. so we will not see a major cooling of the planet for at least 1000-9000 years...
and the human impact of global warming is total and utter crap. we have not changed the globe's temperature more than 0.000000001% with us being here. Anyone who says otherwise has been taught by a hippie tree hugger whining activist-environmentalist that has used biased data to support their flawed beliefs.

The last ice age ended roughly 12,000 years ago.
The last ice age peaked roughly 18,000 years ago.
with these numbers, we have another 2,000 years of warming before it starts cooling globaly again and then another 18-22,000 years before the next ice age sets in.

[horrorkid64 0]

Date:11/15/2004 9:51:27 AM
Author:Screwballl

... we have not changed the globe's temperature more than 0.000000001% with us being here. Anyone who says otherwise has been taught by a hippie tree hugger whining activist-environmentalist that has used biased data to support their flawed beliefs.

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You

[burwellian 16]

The average temperature has risen more in the last century than in the rest of the millenium put together though...

It's speeding up, and we've had a significant impact... Look at Venus and you'll see the effect greenhouse gases can have on a planet (Venus is a EXTREME, admittedly, but it's the same problem... Greenhouse Gases heating the surface... from Volcanoes and not humans though)

[vidioman 21]

Date:11/15/2004 12:06:28 AM
Author:The Evil Octopus Man

Well, at least it'll drown Castro!

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If Castro is as bad as America says he is, why hasn't he been overthrown yet? If he is such a wimp, why ois he the longest running dictator in history of North America? Did you know that the Cubans like Castro? He has very high approval ratings. The american Media mentions every case of Cubans sneaking into the Us they can, to exaggerate them. Cuba has literacy rates and health care similar to the southern states of the US. And Bush would drown too, providing he is as bumd as castro and doesn't leave (you really think Castro would stay and get killed in a flood?) Canada's Prime Minister, however, would be safe.

And screwballl: the human factor contributed a change of  about 0.00001, not 0.000000001 like you said.  We are doing something, but it's not much. It is however, going too fast for many animals to adapt. Just like it did last time Preventing global warming is really thinking about humans, in a way, since we already have anough problems with heat. 100 years from now, atlanta will seldom see temperatiures below 90 F, even during a winter night.

[EAGCE 2]

Date:11/15/2004 12:44:04 PM
Author:vidioman

Date:11/15/2004 12:06:28 AM
Author:The Evil Octopus Man

Well, at least it'll drown Castro!

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 Did you know that the Cubans like Castro? He has very high approval ratings.

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yeah, and Saddam really got 100% of the votes in Iraq.

[vidioman 21]

Date:11/15/2004 12:50:15 PM
Author:EAGCE

Date:11/15/2004 12:44:04 PM
Author:vidioman

Date:11/15/2004 12:06:28 AM
Author:The Evil Octopus Man

Well, at least it'll drown Castro!

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 Did you know that the Cubans like Castro? He has very high approval ratings.

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yeah, and Saddam really got 100% of the 'votes' in Iraq.

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Is Castro killing Cubans? No. Did Iraqis have quality life? No. Ever been to Cuba? Iraqis would probably kill to live as good as the cubans do. Wait, of course you've never been to cuba. That's one freedom you aren't allowed

Call Hot 105 asnd you can win a trip. It really is a beautiful country, sucessful communism aside.

[EAGCE 2]

Date:11/15/2004 1:00:36 PM
Author:vidioman

Date:11/15/2004 12:50:15 PM
Author:EAGCE

Date:11/15/2004 12:44:04 PM
Author:vidioman

Date:11/15/2004 12:06:28 AM
Author:The Evil Octopus Man

Well, at least it'll drown Castro!

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 Did you know that the Cubans like Castro? He has very high approval ratings.

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yeah, and Saddam really got 100% of the 'votes' in Iraq.

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Is Castro killing Cubans? No. Did Iraqis have quality life? No. Ever been to Cuba? Iraqis would probably kill to live 'as good as' the cubans do. Wait, of course you've never been to cuba. That's one freedom you aren't allowed

Call Hot 105 asnd you can win a trip. It really is a beautiful country, sucessful communism aside.

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Yeah and that's why people risk their lives in rafts trying to escape from there.

[vidioman 21]

Cuba has a p[opulation os 11.8 million. Only a small percent risks their lives trying to escape form there, and only a few of them make it, and they end up where? A land that will prosecute them for wanting to be free. If Canada and the United States both bordered Mexico and Cuba, Canada would, most likely, be the one with all the illegal immigrants. We have cubans in Canada too. Both kinds

[EAGCE 2]

Date:11/15/2004 1:23:55 PM
Author:vidioman

Cuba has a p[opulation os 11.8 million. Only a small percent 'risks their lives' trying to escape form there, and only a few of them make it, and they end up where? A land that will prosecute them for wanting to be 'free'. If Canada and the United States both bordered Mexico and Cuba, Canada would, most likely, be the one with all the illegal immigrants. We have cubans in Canada too. Both kinds

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There are many thousands, maybe millions, of cuban americans in florida and they all hate Castro.  Must be for a reason. 

[vidioman 21]

Running a country. for this examples sake, we'll replace running a country with shoving coins up your nostrils. Okay..

 

Johnny (Bush, Blair, Martin, etc.) thinks that shoving a nickle up the left nostril is the way to do it, and wants everyone to join in, cause it's soo great that way! Alan (castro, hussein, kim jong il, etc.) thinks shoving pennies up you right nostril is the way to do it, and he does it like that, while basically ignoring everyone else. He doesn't care what they think, he's going to do it this way and thats that! But one day, Johnny, in the name of Freedom and what's right on this planet, goes up to Alan and said NO! You are not allowed to do it that way because that way is stupid!!. Alan said well, I an my own man (country) and can do it the way I want. Besides, it's working fine this way. Well, that has Johnny upset! He get's his guns ready, and says stop doing that!!' but Alan says meh!. Johnny hasn't fired yet, but he sure is doing a great job on saying how bad he thinks Alan is.

 

This is a free world. Alan can do what he wants to. right?

 

I think freedom ought to have limits -George W. bush

[EAGCE 2]

First of all, Cuba is not great.  Maybe the part you went to was all great, but most of Cuba is very poor.

Second, WTH does Bush have to do with this?  Nowhere in any posts I have every written, have I ever defended Bush.  I think Bush is just as bad as Castro and Saddam.  But that doesn't make Castro any better.

 

Third, we should really get back on topic of Global Warming.

[vidioman 21]

Date:11/15/2004 1:45:58 PM
Author:EAGCE

First of all, Cuba is not great.  Maybe the part you went to was all great, but most of Cuba is very poor.

Second, WTH does Bush have to do with this?  Nowhere in any posts I have every written, have I ever defended Bush.  I think Bush is just as bad as Castro and Saddam.  But that doesn't make Castro any better.

 

Third, we should really get back on topic of Global Warming.

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It doesn't make anyone any better than anyone else. There is no wrong, there is no right. There is a, b, c, d, etc. There are many ways to things, but none of them are really the right way. Besides, who are you to tell some they are wrong? do you knwo they are wrong? How do you know you aren't wrong?

back on the issue of global warming, it will be going up to 10C today. That's 50F for you Americans, last developed country to use the out of date imperial system. Not that it's wrong.

We should have a high of 1. That's 33.5F. Or should we?

[EAGCE 2]

So if I think the right way to run my country is to kill everyone that disagrees with me, then I should be allowed to do it?  Or if I think it is right to give my citizens a horrible quality of life while I have tons of mansions to live in, then that is OK?

 

 

Why should you have a high of 1C?  there is no rule that says the part of the world you live in is always supposed to be a certain temperature during certain parts of the year.  The Earth goes through cycles, deal with it.  I'm done with this.

[vidioman 21]

Date:11/15/2004 1:56:12 PM
Author:EAGCE

So if I think the right way to run my country is to kill everyone that disagrees with me, then I should be allowed to do it?  Or if I think it is right to give my citizens a horrible quality of life while I have tons of mansions to live in, then that is OK?

 

 

Why 'should you' have a high of 1C?  there is no rule that says the part of the world you live in is always supposed to be a certain temperature during certain parts of the year.  The Earth goes through cycles, deal with it.  I'm done with this.

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Learn more about communism. If cuba really is communist, then Castro probably doesn't have any mansions

And, during this time of year, we should have snow and cold temperatures, it is almost winter now.

[villarule 2]

It is winter and im waiting for the snow

[bravoj 0]

let me say that you're both being really extremist, it's true that Castro has big aproval rates in cuba... but wasn't the same case with Stalin in russia? and we all know what he was doing back then, and how many people died in his hands (politics and hunger)

but it's also fair to say that not because some cubans want to go to US it's because they are all unhappy, a lot of mexicans go to US also (i live in Mexico) but when you are here you know that the people that do that is uneducated, and they are only try to reach the richest country in the world...

and cuba indeed is a beautiful country, and when it comes to blame somebody for their pobrerty, you should be seing more the american sanctions than Castro...

(i was wondering why such a topic got so popular... )

[The Evil Octopus Man 25]

Date:11/15/2004 1:23:55 PM
Author:vidioman

Cuba has a p[opulation os 11.8 million. Only a small percent 'risks their lives' trying to escape form there, and only a few of them make it, and they end up where? A land that will prosecute them for wanting to be 'free'. If Canada and the United States both bordered Mexico and Cuba, Canada would, most likely, be the one with all the illegal immigrants. We have cubans in Canada too. Both kinds

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I believe the law says that if a Cuban trying to escape can set foot on American soil, then they are allowed to stay.  And the Mexicans and Cubans might come to America, since the dollar is worth more than whatever you canadians use.

[vidioman 21]

1CAD is equal to 0.8331USD right now. It's gone down a bit. It is climbing, though, and it will surpass USD, George W. Bush will see to that. Also, if they are allowed to stay there, then there should be no such thing as an illegal immigrant from Mexico or Cuba becasue what you have said there will contradict that.

 

If America stopped hating Cuba so much, and resumed Trade and Toursim, both countries would be better off for it.

[The Evil Octopus Man 25]

Well Cubas not accepting the American dollar anymore, so it's a bit too late to start trade with them.

Mexicans don't have the same conditions as Cubans, so there can be illegal Mexicans.  If they did, we would have 20 foot walls in San Diego and El Paso and other border cities.

[vidioman 21]

Date:11/15/2004 5:53:35 PM
Author:The Evil Octopus Man

Well Cubas not accepting the American dollar anymore, so it's a bit too late to start trade with them.

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Oops! There is actually a pretty good chance that when Castro goes, Cuba will become a Canadian Territory. Too bad you didn't start trading sooner, eh?

[The Evil Octopus Man 25]

Date:11/15/2004 6:03:45 PM
Author:vidioman

Date:11/15/2004 5:53:35 PM
Author:The Evil Octopus Man

Well Cubas not accepting the American dollar anymore, so it's a bit too late to start trade with them.

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Oops! There is actually a pretty good chance that when Castro goes, Cuba will become a Canadian Territory. Too bad you didn't start trading sooner, eh?

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I doubt that'll happen.  I can't imagine people speaking spanish and saying eh at the end of everything.