U.S.A. 2016 General Election

[Larks2242 251]

On 4/27/2016 at 1:21 PM, A Nonny Moose said:

Trump's foreign policy.

Sounds like if he is elected POTUS, he will put a halt to a lot of spending on foreign governments and adventures.  This will probably please his redneck constituency and alarm a lot of governments around the Med.  I wonder if the Israelis were listening?

Does this mean that America will stop being the world's biggest arms dealer?

Trump would be fine with allowing everyone nuclear weapons, I thought that was the fear that caused Ron Paul the election?

[Ocram's Razr 964]

@igotthis

RE 1: I'm saying (as Delta 88 and Sabretooth 78 noticed) is that the USA shouldn't have opened up trade relations with China while snubbing Cuba [and other lesser evils]. If the American corporations didn't rely so much on cheap Chinese imports, many of the Chinese companies (associated with War Criminals in China or Russia) would be sanctioned by proxy.

  Edited May 2, 2016 by OcramsRzr  

[igotthis 12]

26 minutes ago, Larks2242 said:

Trump would be fine with allowing everyone nuclear weapons, I thought that was the fear that caused Ron Paul the election?

The spread of nuclear arms is the biggest threat to humanity. No one should have them. They should be illegal across the globe. "Deterrent" my arse. It just creates a race to get them.

IGT

9 minutes ago, OcramsRzr said:

@igotthis

RE 1: I'm saying (as Delta 88 and Sabretooth 78 noticed) is that the USA shouldn't have opened up trade relations with China while snubbing Cuba. If the American corporations didn't rely so much on cheap Chinese imports, many of the Chinese companies (associated with War Criminals in China or Russia) would be sanctioned by proxy.

But you didn't say anything about Cuba...

I'm happy to see relations with Cuba being restored. I agree that dealing with China but ignoring a nation on our border is stupid.

IGT

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Wasn't it 1923 when the U.S. began electing the U.S. Senate?  Before that it was appointed by the governors of the states.  When the Roman Senate became elected it signalled the beginning of the fall of the republic.

If you look at the history of the Roman Empire, and especially the fall, you can see many parallels in what is going on in the United States.  So far it has devolved into an oligarchic plutocracy, and I don't think it is very far from becoming either an armed anarchy or a police state.  It is so sad. 

Well, at least it is not too likely that Der Donald will be crowned emperor.

[Larks2242 251]

Trump should really back off the rape comments

 

I was in China in March, (both Hong Kong and Beijing) and  It was clear they don't like him, You go to any of the areas where businessman shop such as Tsim Sha Tsui and it becomes very evident.

Also, the comments that Trump fanatics make, A few of them using the N-word and threatening violence and even Trump himself encouraging riots, There is now fears that riots will happen if he does not win in the general.

The way Trump supporters heckled Cruz is a perfect example of how he brings the worst out of people.

The bottom quote  “Anything that Donald Trump talks about,” he said, “that’s what I’m about.” is very telling of the problem.

 

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Der Donald reminds me of some salesmen I have known.  Easy to deal with because they have only two moving parts, the anus and the mouth.  Turns out they are interchangeable.

[Delta 88 262]

23 minutes ago, A Nonny Moose said:

Der Donald reminds me of some salesmen I have known.  Easy to deal with because they have only two moving parts, the anus and the mouth.  Turns out they are interchangeable.

But I don't think any one man (Donald Trump, as many are saying) could "bring about the fall of America". That's a long, continuous process perpetuated by Americans themselves, and the ever-so-desperate hope that some technological politically-correct utopia is afoot, and is actually worth saving.

[krbe 193]

16 hours ago, igotthis said:

1) I am not sure if you are trying to justify Adolph Hitler or be an apologist for Mao Tze Tung.

Perhaps a mere, somewhat garbled, observation if you read it all in context? International relations assigns power according to the A x B formula, where A is the number of guns and B the average caliber. While the MAD post-Clausewitizian stratagem virtually assured Western dominance by the turn of the century, history has returned to point fingers at us all.

[Larks2242 251]

Well it looks like it is time to put on my M43 field cap I own and prepare to round the muslims up, Donald will expect me to turn them in.

[ROFLyoshi 1,760]

Cruz has suspended his campaign.

[jmsepe 2,039]

So its Trump vs. Clinton. Both will be making history whoever wins. 

[GreekMan 246]

i just cant wait for trump to wipe the floor with Hillary's pantsuit! president trump is coming and there is nothing the democrats can do to stop him!

Obama can talk smack all he wants, Clinton can throw her woman's card around...since 2010 the democrats have lost over 1300 seats in federal, state and local offices...talk about a party that is in turmoil. the nevertrump crowd (within the GOP) will come around. Over time, the more trump attacks Hillary for all her BS, the more his favorably ratings will go up. I definitely think Trump will reunite the party. I highly doubt that by November, a decent handful of republicans will vote for her.  they say it now but polls now show that trump is close, gaining or even beating her in the election. sure i might be wrong but a vote for Hillary is a vote for the same political BS that got us here. THAT you cannot argue

[Ocram's Razr 964]

Intelligent women will never vote for D'ump. Intelligent people of color will never vote for D'ump. Intelligent conservatives know Hilary is a slave to PR and rubber stamp all bills into law that don't have too bad publicity. Progressive liberals will never vote for D'ump.

Everyone who feels oppressed by PC culture and globalization will prefer D'ump.

The election will be determined by voter participation by women and people of color in swing states. If all eligible women and people in color register and vote in all the swing states, Hilary will win by a landslide.

  Edited May 4, 2016 by OcramsRzr  

[_Michael 2,681]

From an outsiders perspective, I think that Trump is dangerous. For the potential leader of one of the most powerful and influential nations on earth to be saying the frankly outrageous things he has said, is in my opinion not right. 

Hillary, I know hasn't been without her scandals and difficulties, but I feel she is much better suited to the role. I mean for the leader of the US, you need political experience. Hillary has that. Trump, clearly does not. 

Looking into the US from a UK perspective, I find your health cares system crazy. I understand healthcare is expensive; we spend billions on our NHS and it is still underfunded; but I cannot understand the opposition to Obamacare. Hillary will keep it. Trump will not.

Also from a UK/European perspective I just cannot get my head around the opposition to gun controls. The second amendment was written 225 years ago. Today we both have effective police forces to keep us safe. And yet the Second Amendment is still allowing shootings and mass shootings to continue. How can the American public see this and still want to vote for a man who will do nothing about it?

I really hope the American electorate see in line with my view in November. 

[GreekMan 246]

first of all, intelligent women will vote for trump. Hillary is trying to be POTUS for two things 1) to be first woman president 2) power. thats it. nothing else. she doesn't care about anybody but herself. how anyone could vote for her is beyond me. She stated that all rape victims should be believed, yet when women come out and said that bill raped them, she dismisses it! she even goes so far as to hush them up. that is dangerous! hell even Bernie said she wasn't fit to be president... when trump blasts her for her stance on bill's victims, women will not even want to vote for her. In one poll her favorably rating among white men was 17%, unfavorable was 72%. nobody ever talks about that!

Now how in the hell is trump dangerous. i swear to god i dont understand it. It is completely stupid to compare hitler and trump. 

What is wrong with building a wall between US and Mexico? All these illegals BROKE the law. They broke it. why the hell should they cut in front of people who have waited 10 years plus to get into his county legally? my uncle is a Canadian citizen. It took him 10 years to get his green card. He didnt say, hey lets cross the boarder and live in america illegally. My family came into this country legally! My family and millions of others did it right but god forbid we build a wall...god forbid we ENFORCE our laws

 I agree with trumps world view. America should come first. Our country is falling a part and we pay for everyone's defense. All the Europeans do is mock us and hate us yet we PAY FOR YOUR SECURITY! Why??We have been taken advantaged of by the world. I fully agree with that statement. All these american companies move oversees and regular Americans are put out of work. how is that fair. Sure i wouldnt like buying a more expensive product but if it was build in America, i wouldnt think twice. 

Both parties have screwed the american people over. We have have idiots running this country for 25 years. Trump is the closest we will ever get to a independent candidate. Bernie has no chance. I dont think trump is a true republican. I dont think hes a democrat. He took ideas from both parties and ran for president. hes an American that saw the crap that has been pulled on our country and decided to do something about it.  Im college educated and im voting for trump but i much not be smart. i must be some dumb fool for believing in him

in Massachusetts over 20,000 democrats switched to the GOP. it also happened in PA, and NY. And those places are considered pretty damn smart but go ahead keep saying that Hillary will win because i dont see it. Sure, i agree his unfavorables are  a problem but im not worried. Hillary cant get 20,000 people into an area. only trump and sanders can. 

 

Hillary is a flawed politician. Trump is a flawed man. thats the true difference right there. id rather have a flawed man than a sellout like hillary

[Sabretooth78 808]

All politicians are flawed, by definition.  They can be countered.  And of course Hillary is a sell-out, but to argue she's somehow worse than a man who has based his entire "career" and reputation on selling out others - wow.

On the other hand, one need not look very far into history to see what flawed people can do.  Your argument is baffling - accept the alternative that is flawed in the worst, most uncorrectable way possible?  Keep lapping up the pablum distributed to you.  Our country is falling apart because of a dumb*** electorate that is too fat (metaphorically) and comfortable and either can't or refuses to think for itself and as such consistently votes against its own interests.  Perhaps it's the downside to living in a time when waking up with the real fear of possibly dying by the end of the day is no longer in the public consciousness due to technological reasons

What's wrong with a wall?  Besides being a stupid, needless expense that would cost far more than any perceived problem it would solve and would cause far more harm to the Americans who live in its path than it would to any ill-intentioned Mexican, at a symbolic level it's nothing more than a band-aid on a broken system and running away from facing the problem.  Fix the broken immigration system and end the War on Drugs.  It'll probably solve a bunch of our problems (not the least a check on the growing police state) and quite a few of Mexico's and other Latin American nations' too.  And neither will have to ask the other for payment! 

The convulsions of third world decline are becoming stronger.  The best thing at this point, I think, is a Trump loss, near- if not complete disbanding of the GOP and some new (obviously better) party (though no parties at all would be preferable) to fill the vacuum; hopefully one that won't sell out its beliefs for political expediency.  The GOP dug themselves this hole and its high time they recognized that and quietly relegate themselves to the dustbin.  They have failed their country, plain and simple.  Too bad we don't have a Siberia to send them to - and I'm sure Canada wouldn't want them.

Disclaimer:  None of the content of this post shall be construed to constitute an endorsement of HRC.

[MilitantRadical 2,844]

President Trump. Gonna happen.

9 hours ago, OcramsRzr said:

The election will be determined by voter participation by women and people of color in swing states. If all eligible women and people in color register and vote in all the swing states, Hilary will win by a landslide.

Dem educated colahd folks!

Don't progressives (not saying you're one, but this is their term) realize that calling ethnic minorities "people of color" only normalizes and prioritizes "whiteness"? What color are Asians? Yellow? What about Native Americans? Red? And white people? They just don't have a color?

Have you even seen the average progressive this election cycle? They're the most misinformed/uninformed idiots out there. All they can do is yell: "raciss and sexiss!" "hate speech! hate speech!" "white privilege!" "Black Lives Matter!" "da 1%".

When Trump gets elected America will burn, but not because of Trump, it will be these progressives throwing massive temper tantrums. I'm already predicting that we will see actual self immolations and riots across America.

[_Michael 2,681]

7 hours ago, GreekMan said:

2) power

Isn't that at least one of the reason anyone want to be a leader? President, Prime Minister or whatever?

7 hours ago, GreekMan said:

how anyone could vote for her is beyond me

Because everyone believes in different things, including in politics. 

7 hours ago, GreekMan said:

Now how in the hell is trump dangerous.

This is how: https://gfs.eiu.com/Archive.aspx?archiveType=globalrisk. On par with an increase in jihadism, greater than a Brexit. Not much lower than a EU break up.

7 hours ago, GreekMan said:

What is wrong with building a wall between US and Mexico?

@Sabretooth78 Did a wonderful job at summing this up.

7 hours ago, GreekMan said:

god forbid we ENFORCE our laws

You can do that without building a wall. Lots other countries have succeeded ion enforcing their laws without building walls. (The only two walls that come to mind are the Berlin Wall and The Israel - Palestine Wall. You just need to look at how these situations have ended up.)

7 hours ago, GreekMan said:

America should come first.

Why not any other country? I understand patriotism, but surely you understand lots of countries are in a worse state than yours.

7 hours ago, GreekMan said:

All the Europeans do is mock us and hate us yet we PAY FOR YOUR SECURITY!

I highly doubt this. Where is your proof. As far as I am aware there are 28 members of NATO, and the other 27 all contribute along with the US, and all 28 benefit. The US does not  pay for European security. I would know. I live here.

7 hours ago, GreekMan said:

We have been taken advantaged of by the world.

In what way? I can only recall times you have offered help. We may have asked, but you could have said 'no' if it was being 'taken advantage on'.

I'd also just like to reference these, from an article on the BBC.

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"If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed... and we will deserve it," South Carolina Senator Lindsay Graham said on Tuesday

 

[Ocram's Razr 964]

1 hour ago, MilitantRadical said:

President Trump. Gonna happen.

Dem educated colahd folks!

Don't progressives (not saying you're one, but this is their term) realize that calling ethnic minorities "people of color" only normalizes and prioritizes "whiteness"? What color are Asians? Yellow? What about Native Americans? Red? And white people? They just don't have a color?

Have you even seen the average progressive this election cycle? They're the most misinformed/uninformed idiots out there. All they can do is yell: "raciss and sexiss!" "hate speech! hate speech!" "white privilege!" "Black Lives Matter!" "da 1%".

When Trump gets elected America will burn, but not because of Trump, it will be these progressives throwing massive temper tantrums. I'm already predicting that we will see actual self immolations and riots across America.

The D'ump will become president if white men (as well as men men without college degrees who lost their jobs to globalization) have a far higher voter turnout than everyone else.

There is a reason I never said "intelligent progressive liberal." Let's just say they are greedy like the Top 1% (and most Americans) but don't want to work hard. They want wealth they don't have to earn.

Yes, America will burn under a president Trump. Europe will find every excuse to turn on the US. Some people will emigrate. Some people (myself included) will work towards destroying the political machinery. If a reality TV star who wears suits (instead of Tom Hardy) gets elected with a campaign of nonsense, hate speech, and touting faults as positive (he declared bankruptcy many times and says he wants to run the government like a business), it will prove that the current system does NOT work once and for all and give adequate cause to many people on the fence to find a replacement for what we have now.

[matias93 7,535]

This is clearly not about intelligence, simply because there's not a scale of ideologies ordered by stupidness or whatever: people believes and advances what makes sense to them, their closest relatives and their community. 

Trump could win if the other candidates don't offer a concrete sense of hope (stable employment, social services without debt, a certain degree of control over the changes globalization causes to their communities, etc) for the white working class, which is the same ideallized middle class of the 20th century . At the moment, aside from preferences, the only campaign that has tried to do so is Sanders' one, and has got loses in majority-minority districts by doing so.

[MilitantRadical 2,844]

2 hours ago, OcramsRzr said:

If a reality TV star who wears suits (instead of Tom Hardy) gets elected with a campaign of nonsense, hate speech, and touting faults as positive (he declared bankruptcy many times and says he wants to run the government like a business), it will prove that the current system does NOT work once and for all and give adequate cause to many people on the fence to find a replacement for what we have now.

He's never declared bankruptcy.

An actor has already been president.

Obama was basically elected on his charisma and had little experience in government. His voting record was just a copy paste of Hilary's.

And hate speech, ugh plz. An Orwellian term if I've ever heard one.

[_Michael 2,681]

One thing no one can disput, whatever side of politics you lie, whatever your background or your personality, is that politics is just an opinion. 

We can all have different opinions. We can all have different political views and have no need to argue with each other.  

[Ocram's Razr 964]

34 minutes ago, MilitantRadical said:

He's never declared bankruptcy.

An actor has already been president.

Obama was basically elected on his charisma and had little experience in government. His voting record was just a copy paste of Hilary's.

And hate speech, ugh plz. An Orwellian term if I've ever heard one.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/21/carly-fiorina/trumps-four-bankruptcies/

Reaganomics hurt the USA

Correct, Barack has charisma and little else, and ended up doing what Hilary would have done. A vote for Hilary is a vote for more of the same, which isn't good but isn't all that bad.

Actual hate speech is a very small portion of The D'ump's campaign but progressive liberals use the term more freely (against most things they disagree with) and can be Orwellian.

[Sabretooth78 808]

A vote for Hillary is a vote for the person we found to be not as good as the person we elected instead who we turned out also to not be thrilled with.

Fits the pattern of decline and passive acceptance of same quite nicely, eh?

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Klunk!

So, Der Donald has it locked up.  There's nobody left, playing the water.

Now who do you suppose Der Donald will select as a running mate?

The question that has already asked itself is: Is this the death knell for the Republican Party?

Oh, and klunk is the sound of a bell made of lead.

[MilitantRadical 2,844]

45 minutes ago, OcramsRzr said:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/21/carly-fiorina/trumps-four-bankruptcies/

But he never declared bankruptcy.

Also, from the article:

"While it would be better to avoid a situation where Chapter 11 reorganization is necessary, filing for bankruptcy can be a "sound business decision" when the company is facing serious financial problems, Venditto said. It’s better than the business shutting down completely.

"However, the source of the financial problems varies from case to case," he said. "Sometimes it is the result of circumstances beyond the control of the business. Sometime it caused by poor judgment. More frequently, it is a combination."

Trump’s four bankruptcies all happened within the past 25 years. That’s a lot, said Stephen Lubben, a leading expert in corporate finance and professor at Seton Hall School of Law. But to be fair, the gaming industry has been struggling the past few years, he added, and three out of four of Trump’s bankruptcies were tied to casinos.

It’s not fair to put all the blame on Trump for the four bankruptcies because he’s acting as any investor would. Investors often own many non-integrated companies, which they fund by taking on debt, and some of them inevitably file for bankruptcy, said Adam Levitin, a law professor at Georgetown University.

He added that people typically wouldn’t personally blame former Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney or investor Warren Buffett for individual failures within their investment companies, Bain Capital and Berkshire Hathaway, respectively.

"The only difference is that Trump puts his name on his companies, which means people associate them with him, but he's not at all the leader in the bankruptcy space," Levitan said. "These bankruptcies were not defining moments for Trump and shouldn't color our view of him.""

Not a big deal after all. The article debunks the premise of your statement and in fact sides with me.

Just replace Fiorina with OcramsRzr in the last paragraph and you get this:

"In context, OcramsRzr’s phrasing suggests Trump was personally responsible for the failures of these businesses, but in reality, much was out of Trump’s control -- such as a struggling casino industry."

When you're parroting Fiorina talking-points you know you're in trouble.

45 minutes ago, OcramsRzr said:

Actual hate speech is a very small portion of The D'ump's campaign but progressive liberals use the term more freely (against most things they disagree with) and can be Orwellian.

The wall gets 1ft higher every time you say D'ump. Might as well call him Poopy Face.

What do you mean by hate speech? And give me an example of Trump's hate speech.

1 hour ago, michae95l said:

One thing no one can disput, whatever side of politics you lie, whatever your background or your personality, is that politics is just an opinion. 

We can all have different opinions. We can all have different political views and have no need to argue with each other.  

Without the pull and tug of disagreement, politics and people never move forward. People can change their minds. Heck, I've changed my mind. At the start of the election I hated Trump, really disliked the guy. Gotta say, he's grown on me. We need to have our ideas challenged or else we just become political amoeba.

16 minutes ago, A Nonny Moose said:

Klunk!

So, Der Donald has it locked up.  There's nobody left, playing the water.

Now who do you suppose Der Donald will select as a running mate?

Been thinking it might be Newt Gingrich since he was Speaker when Bill was Prez. However, maybe Gingrich is a bit too old, white, and male. Might wanna play the identity politics game.

Not sure if he could pick Paul Ryan or if he would even accept.

[Ocram's Razr 964]

Let's just hope The Donald Trump doesn't run the USA like any of his casinos or hotels.

[MilitantRadical 2,844]

3 minutes ago, OcramsRzr said:

Let's just hope The Donald Trump doesn't run the USA like any of his casinos or hotels.

What about the successful ones?

[Ocram's Razr 964]

12 minutes ago, MilitantRadical said:

What about the successful ones?

If you read the link, he has none.

[MilitantRadical 2,844]

6 minutes ago, OcramsRzr said:

If you read the link, he has none.

Ah, that's right, they're only branded with his name now. However, the article never points to anything specific that he did to make the businesses fail.